User talk:Jiyushugi

Hello, I'm Materialscientist. I noticed that you made a change to an article, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Materialscientist (talk) 07:30, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Marietta Voge
Reposting here a comment I left for you at WP:Help Desk, so that you will be sure to see it:


 * , I assume that you are the same editor as the IP that posted the request above, since you identified the same relationship to the subject when from the article mentioned by the IP. I'm summoning you here to inform you that your request is still being investigated and discussed (on multiple noticeboards, actually ) and to ask you not to remove content from the article again while this work is ongoing.   General Ization   Talk   14:33, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Also, please understand that so far, the only source you have offered to discredit the claim that your mother and grandmother were employed by Russian intelligence during the war is your grandmother's autobiography. Autobiographies by themselves can never be considered independent, reliable sources, for the simple reason that the writer has an obvious conflict of interest that may (often does) lead them to omit certain details of their lives, and the lives of others close to them, which they would rather not be known. The sources (not necessarily the original citation that reflected a secondary source) that appear at the article on your mother and your grandmother are proving to be what we would consider reliable in establishing that their names appeared in the Venona cables, where they were described as operatives of the Russian intelligence services. We make every effort not to imply that we know that those descriptions were correct, since we do not, but at the same time, given those sources, we cannot "revise history" and remove their names from those documents. My focus, anyway, has been to try to provide additional biographical information on Marietta (with sources) that establishes the things she did in her public and professional life that make her notable for reasons other than the appearance of her name in the decoded cables. This may ultimately be the best we can do.  General Ization  Talk   17:07, 13 August 2015 (UTC)