User talk:Jjron/Archive 6

Vincent Kosuga
Thanks for your comments on the article. I appreciate the detailed feedback. Qrsdogg (talk) 22:00, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries. Reply here. --jjron (talk) 02:24, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

William Buelow Gould
Hiya Jjron, I reviewed your DYK nomination of William Buelow Gould. Very good article, :) Are you okay with the alternative hook I suggested?  I think it's a bit of an improvement.   Mae din\ talk 21:15, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Replied here. --jjron (talk) 03:31, 5 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry that the hook was swept away to the queue before you had an opportunity to comment and fix the wording. Thanks for pointing out the error, I've added "of" now—more accurate and reads better, too.  I had been about to go ahead and include the portrait when I added the alt, but it occurred to me that the licensing or the size might have been the issue, so decided to wait for your comment instead.  Glad I did!


 * Yes, I think going through OTRS for the Tasmanian Archive and Heritage material is probably best. I'm not really that au fait with OTRS and licensing (J Milburn is very active in that area, so you could ask him), but it seems right to me to formally recognise a release of high-res content, PD or not, from a specific organisation.


 * As it was your first nomination, welcome to DYK, :) Sometimes nominations do linger for a long while, I eventually learned not to take it personally, ^^   Mae din\ talk 08:56, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they would be PD- you could tag them with PD-old. Wikimedia policy is that you do not need the permission of the office, but, of course, now you do have it it's worth mentioning. If you forward the email to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org (or, if they're only uploaded locally, permissions-en@wikimedia.org, but it doesn't really matter) along with a note about where you have uploaded the images it applies to, I'll check the email and update the image pages. J Milburn (talk) 14:54, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, well that permission doesn't really count for much then. As I said, it's all icing on the cake anyway, as Wikimedia's position is that identical copies of public domain works (and this is pretty unambiguously PD, as he died over 100 years ago) are also PD; the claim of ownership from the Archive Office would be baseless under US law. For future reference, permission for Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons to use a file is no good- they still count as non-free (or, in this case, free, as they were free anyway). J Milburn (talk) 16:15, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for William Buelow Gould
Dravecky (talk) 04:38, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --jjron (talk) 13:28, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Chloe Hosking
The DYK project (nominate) 18:02, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --jjron (talk) 15:13, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

GOCE drive news
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Nomination for deletion of Template:Valuedpicturethumbs
Template:Valuedpicturethumbs has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. — This, that, and the other (talk) 00:33, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, thanks. Looks like it may as well go. --jjron (talk) 04:30, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

January barnstar

 * Thank you. Cheers, --jjron (talk) 11:35, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

GOCE January Backlog elimination drive conclusion
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Barnstar

 * Thank you very much. Didn't even intend to do so when I went there, but having started, now I see there's still a fair bit to go... :) --jjron (talk) 07:31, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Reg: Title image in
Sikh_pilgrim_at_the_Golden_Temple_(Harmandir_Sahib)_in_Amritsar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jotsingh (talk • contribs) 23:39, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Huh? Have reverted image in article. --jjron (talk) 07:03, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Reg: Title Image updation of article "Harmandir Sahib"
Hi ,

I have a concern with the title image of this page (Sikh_pilgrim_at_the_Golden_Temple_(Harmandir_Sahib)_in_Amritsar ). If you look into the image with full resolution, you can clearly see some people reparing something on the roof of the sacred dome .Also a half naked man is in front of the temple.

I do understand that this image shows reality but still I don't see any reason just to stick with this image .This image stayed there for long because most of the people who visit Wikipedia are not familiar with editing features.

I request you to change this image to any other image you like ( from the pool) but the current title image is unacceptable as it hurts the religious sentiments of Sikh religion.

Thanks Jotsingh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jotsingh (talk • contribs) 20:52, 15 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Replied on user's talkpage with:

Hi Jotsingh,

Just for the record I have no connection with the picture in question (creation, uploading, etc) - I merely nominated it for Featured pictures a couple of years back when someone else raised it as a suggestion at Picture peer review, and shifted it from a gallery into the article proper. I also have no connection with the Harmandir Sahib article beyond this.

I also know little to nothing about the Sikh religion, certainly not enough to know whether a (as you call it) half naked man would be offensive, but with the little I know I would not have thought so.

Nonetheless I must disagree with your sentiments that the "image stayed there for long because most of the people who visit Wikipedia are not familiar with editing features". Harmandir Sahib has been edited some five hundred times since this picture first went into the gallery here, and almost as many times since I moved it into the article proper here - I don't know when it actually went into the taxobox; as I said above I have nothing to do with the article.

Additionally this picture is a Featured Picture on English Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons, as well as Irish and Turkish Wikipedias. It won Commons Picture of the Year for 2009. It is used on several articles on Wikipedia, including Sikhism. It is used on dozens of other language Wikipedias and related projects - see this list. It is clearly approved of by WikiProject India.

Based on all the above, it would appear that others don't agree with your reservations with the image; the image is not in all these places by accident, and is not remaining there just because people don't know how to move or remove it. Please remember that Wikipedia is not censored. If you disagree with it's usage, the first place to start is with the article's talkpage Talk:Harmandir Sahib, or alternatively you could raise it at Wikiproject India's noticeboard.

Regards, --jjron (talk) 12:08, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi John,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Sandsculpting, Frankston, Vic jjron, 21.01.2009.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on February 18, 2011. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2011-02-18.  howcheng  {chat} 22:44, 17 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks Howcheng. --jjron (talk) 09:27, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

March 2011 Backlog Elimination Drive
Hi. On behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors, I am inviting you to sign up for our March Backlog Elimination Drive. Win a barnstar! It's fun. -- Diannaa (Talk) 01:24, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

POTD notification
Hi John,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Australian Mounted Police Victoria-edit1.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on March 2, 2011. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2011-03-02.  howcheng  {chat} 17:34, 28 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Cheers, --jjron (talk) 13:14, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

 * Replied at Talk:Mouse Practice. I believe the article should remain. If someone wishes to delete it, it will need to go through Articles for deletion now (but I'd like to be notified if so as I would oppose its deletion there too). --jjron (talk) 12:25, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

FPC
Hi John, as you are aware, FPC is suffering from little participation. I have raised this on the talk page and would love to have your thoughts there. --Muhammad (talk) 00:25, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the invitation. Have left a lengthy reply there. --jjron (talk) 02:47, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Oops!
Thank you! Johnson487682 (talk) 13:28, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Replied here. --jjron (talk) 09:00, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

GOCE / Mid-drive newsletter
Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors using AWB on 04:44, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Lol
Hi

I just had 5 edit conflicts with you, I was adding the standalone but it kept conflicting, when I checked the page it was still not fixed though...I saw your last edits and realised we were doing the same thing, but you were reverting to check and that was why I couldn't see any difference lol

Anyway, at least you got there in the end ;¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 13:01, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Reply here. --jjron (talk) 13:06, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't think it is, I think you should report it to the coordinators page and to Template_talk:Multiple_issues. Steve Masters or Diannaa should be able to fix it as they are admins. Good catch though... I had it on my watch list and noticed the changes made by Nytc and then spotted it back in the "needing copyediting" - funny we started at the same time lol. Chaosdruid (talk) 13:12, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I hope not, if you go here and look at my dropdown No. 55 :¬)
 * I already counted that one! lol Chaosdruid (talk) 14:12, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Yup, there was a lot of strange stuff in it that had to go!
 * The request was already posted when I went to check, I had a look at the source and if that change is made that will just leave "copedit" and "grammar" as the only ones that put the hidden "needs copyediting" categories in. Lets hope someone gets to it today, otherwise some bright spark will do an AWB run or similar and add crystal back into the multiple again... Chaosdruid (talk) 15:05, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Jockeys are sportspeople too
Yes, you're completely right. It's funny how I can go through and check my work several times and still make a mistake. Oh well. Thanks for catching it. Makeemlighter (talk) 23:24, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply here. --jjron (talk) 07:31, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Newsletter problem
Hi

I have given an example of how to hide the newsletter, from the discussion on Smasters talk page User talk:SMasters, here for you User_talk:Chaosdruid. Chaosdruid (talk) 13:58, 21 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Crap, after I posted this I saw you already had fixed it lol :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 13:58, 21 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Reply here. --jjron (talk) 14:07, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup, and clicking the TOC link will only work when it is expanded...Chaosdruid (talk) 14:10, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * As you can see, The Bugle, is a complete posting into the members talk page with a separate section header. The problem is that the GOCE page is for all March newsletters , so having the header in it is the problem. The only fix is to have one page for all newsletters or to post the whole newsletter as The Bugle is delivered. THat is a lot of code to go on each page though, the subst template is much easier and less cumbersome.
 * We use a similar format and method for the Robotics newsletters, a subst but with a separate page for each newsletter. When I deliver it I will use the subst but will also add the header onto each page and my sig after. That is all well and good for up to 30 members, but after that you have to use AWB or it would take hours to do them all :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 14:28, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
I just wanted to thank you for your comments on, to put it rather bluntly, the decline of FPC. I won't say I agree with you on all points but I appreciate that someone came out and said something and got a discussion going even, even if it may not amount to much in the end. I wish it could have been under better circumstances than you abandoning FPC but I'm not one to judge nor am I in a position to having mostly withdrawn from it myself. I hope that you will keep continuing to upload your great photos to Wikipedia and they will be recognized and nominated for FP status. Cat-five - talk 09:52, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply here. --jjron (talk) 15:21, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't believe I forgot about MER-C, I think he left either when I was just inactive or on one of the little "breaks" I took awhile back but he was definitely a valuable contributor and him leaving was in my opinion a pretty big loss for FPC. I took the liberty of mentioning him on the FPC talk page but I didn't mention your name since I didn't want to unduly drag you into the comment stream there. Cat-five - talk 04:04, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Independent opinion
Hi Jjron, As you were the last good faith editor of Tim Flannery, I ask for your opinion regarding pushing of this paragraph. I moved it to the talk page for discussion, but User Wadeoski keeps reverting. Best, --Elekhh (talk) 21:26, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Replied here. --jjron (talk) 02:51, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. --Elekhh (talk) 19:50, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was watching that Q&A as well, and felt it sad how she could go away with that dog whistle in the rush of the discussion. I'm glad Wikipedia was more vigilant on this one. --Elekhh (talk) 19:36, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * That's right, this will give you an idea about the places I lived/visited in the last few years. --Elekhh (talk) 19:27, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * No I haven't seen it, so thanks for the hint! First I thought this will be a good page to send those who need more elaborate explanation why that paragraph they are pushing is plain wrong. Than I unfortunately went on to read the readers'/wathcers' comments... discouraging to see how many still don't get it. --Elekhh (talk) 20:27, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh... the Herald-Sun, I only peeked into it once, and decided to never do it again... --Elekhh (talk) 23:36, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Anigozanthos ID
Do you think this is a correct ID? I've photographed Bush Pearl at the gardens and it looks very similar. See also these:Bush Ochre Bush Pearl Bush Pearl. Melburnian (talk) 06:55, 31 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Reply here. --jjron (talk) 06:22, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

GOCE drive newsletter
Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors using AWB on 14:35, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

GOCE barnstar

 * Cheers. --jjron (talk) 10:09, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/Alice Manfield

 * By the way, I wanted to say that it's nice to see you back at FPC, even if it's only a limited-time, "this week only" appearance. Makeemlighter (talk) 07:44, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. May make some more guest appearances, though I'm kinda enjoying spreading myself around a bit more widely. That being the case I don't expect to be back as a genuine 'regular' in the near future. Cheers, --jjron (talk) 13:17, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Re: Image issue
The image was uploaded from Commons to the English language Wikipedia in preparation for its appearance on the Main page. Cascade protection is able to protect items within a project that are transcluded onto a single page but is unable to perform cross project protection. Thus, a Commons image trancluded to the Main page could be altered by modifying the image on Commons. Creating a local copy of the image prevents this possible form of vandalism. The other means of performing this task is protecting the image on Commons. As the last admin involved with DYK that also had admin privileges on Commons left the project last November, this is currently not a practical option.

DYKUpdateBot deletes the local copy as part of its cleanup activities when the image is taken off the Main page. Thus things should be back to their previous conditions once the 08:00 8 April 2011 (UTC) update is completed. --Allen3 talk 14:12, 6 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Discussion here. --jjron (talk) 14:18, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Re: Bolles Bicycle
I have one. Never have been adept at wikipedia. email me thebroadguy@hotmail or give an email address I can correspond with you. Thebroadguy (talk) 17:08, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry. I have absolutely no idea what this is about. --jjron (talk) 10:12, 8 April 2011 (UTC)


 * you had an early entry on your other page looking for information regarding a bolles brendamour headtube badge. Reference_desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2008_March_21. I have such a bike my uncle bought new in cincinnati in 1938 with newspaper money.  i would gladly share a photo if I knew how to get one to you.  Else, nevermind. Thebroadguy (talk) 03:25, 9 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, thanks. The name (very!) vaguely rang a bell. However I was answering a question from another user on the Miscellaneous Reference desk, not requesting information myself. It's just the user posting the question never signed their post. It appears the question was asked by an anonymous IP user Special:Contributions/69.92.11.164. (And wow, it's fantastic you've still got such an old bike. Also how on earth did you ever find that post from so long ago?? :) ).


 * BTW, if you want to upload photos there's a link on the left of the page, under the toolbox category, that says "Upload file". Just click that and follow the instructions. Even better, for photos with no copyright concerns or anything, is to add them to Wikimedia Commons as then they're available to Wiki projects worldwide, not just English Wikipedia. If you want some more advice on this let me know. Cheers, --jjron (talk) 11:15, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Alice Manfield
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 8 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. --jjron (talk) 10:12, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Ricky Hunter
Hello! Your submission of Ricky Hunter at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 21:20, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback. Replied at DYK. --jjron (talk) 10:45, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Motorized bicycle
Hi Andrew. This edit to Motorized bicycle seems to have botched ref 27. It appeared to be a dead link anyway, so at the moment I've removed it. Thought I'd let you know in case you want to take a look at it again. --jjron (talk) 11:20, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * At first, it appeared that the entire Alberta, Canada site was down, but now it works and I found an updated link. Maybe they were undergoing a major update this morning. Thanks for bringing the problem to my attention. -AndrewDressel (talk) 13:55, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool. --jjron (talk) 14:28, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/Motorcycle policeman

 * Thank you. --jjron (talk) 16:37, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Picador Richard Flanagan 1999 The Sound of One Hand Clapping book cover.jpg
 Thanks for uploading File:Picador Richard Flanagan 1999 The Sound of One Hand Clapping book cover.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

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 * I'd like to say 'duh', but I expect this is a 'form message'. Evidently someone has replaced this with what is said to be the first edition hardback cover. While clearly an inferior image, I believe that the preference is to use such editions, so que sera sera, I'm not about to battle over such trivialities. So delete away. --jjron (talk) 13:42, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ricky Hunter
The DYK project (nominate) 12:02, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Cheers. --jjron (talk) 12:23, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Well except someone's botched the hook *, but never mind. --jjron (talk) 12:25, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Come to think of it, do mind. A lot of thought, and let me add considerable discussion on the DYK page, went into the exact wording of that hook, and the person who queued it stuffed it up in complete contradiction of the discussion. Not happy. --jjron (talk) 12:50, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Added discussion about botching hooks to Wikipedia talk:Did you know. --jjron (talk) 16:45, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

If you're ever in the neighbourhood.....
I'd love someone to take some cool photos of Banksia canei - I figured you might be nearby from the images :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:04, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, will keep a look out (though I tend to pretty average at identifying 'random' specimens in the wild :) ). Looks like, according to the article, it's just getting to the end of the flowering season for this year. Hah, was going to ask if your image in the article was taken in the snow (due to the bg) but then saw it was taken in your garden in Sydney! --jjron (talk) 03:48, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Holy heck, after just reading the article it looks like even botanists have trouble distinguishing this fella in the wild! Will see what I can find, but might need to look out for a cultivated version. --jjron (talk) 04:16, 30 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, my plant stayed alive for seven years (woo hoo!) - I was well chuffed. But the flowers were minute :/ I have more details on locations I will add later today...be great to get a photo of it in the snow. Nah, it's easy to tell. The only thing which will look vaguely like it and anywhere nearby is marginata, which the old flowers remian on the spikes. Also, the leaves of canei are really thick and tough. You'll know it when you see it. I can always ID photos too. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:18, 30 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep, will definitely run any likely possibilities by you first. The article says it's found north of Omeo. Do you know if it's likely to be out along the Omeo Highway, around the Big River say, or out around Benambra? I can get to those areas relatively easily. I want to get out the Wulgulmerang area sometime soonish, but that's rather a bigger trip. --jjron (talk) 04:26, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I will ferret around for some locations in a bit and add to the article (or here if unencyclopedic :)) Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:42, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Update - just found a bunch of gridreferences which I'll send by email later tonight. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:52, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Cheers. Hopefully in convenient locations. --jjron (talk) 10:22, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Maybe some of these are close..? Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:54, 1 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'll look into it. --jjron (talk) 11:09, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Vintage Richard Flanagan 2009 Wanting book cover.jpg
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 * Per above; delete away. Replaced with an inferior image flogged from Amazon. Is this legit? --jjron (talk) 05:53, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

GoCE
Funny enough, this is my first drive, which means that there will be at least one elephant in the corner. I am shy, so I sneak about everywhere that is quiet.-- The     copyeditor's corner   14:19, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

No need to continue. I pick out the visible stuff and then I use a script to find the more subtle items.-- The     copyeditor's corner   15:10, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Missed it?

 * Not really, if you look at the time stamps you might notice that my post was before that. :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 11:54, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * diff --jjron (talk) 14:06, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

No, that is an entirely different matter:
 * MofM, and
 * and my replies

The conversation with Diannaa took place much later:
 * On Diannaa's
 * On MofM - here you can clearly see that my comment is timestamped 03:07 and Diannaa's at 03:10.

Hope this clears it up for you :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 14:27, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Different? Well, no, it's exactly the same issue. But if you think so, whatever, it's hardly worth arguing about. ;) --jjron (talk) 11:01, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, unless you're referring to your other conversations about barnstars and chickens, that are different matters, but why would I be worried about them? The issue was checking up Mayhems copyedits for the WP:GOCE, which originated here which was 14 hrs before either yours or Diannaa's comments, as I pointed out above, and which is what I was pointing out on your talkpage. --jjron (talk) 11:08, 3 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Well to be honest, I have no idea why you are worried about any of this lol! nor why you had an issue with anything to do with this - perhaps you can explain why you are taking such an interest, after all it has taken a fair amount of time for me to address your concerns :¬)
 * To be clear, that was me adding a note to someone as a "welcome to the drive" and catching up (as I had helped him when he set up his page, with scripts and tabs, after first joining). I had seen some conversations with other editors and thought it prudent to make sure that MofM did not fall foul of trying to bite off more than they could chew, nor cause any problems with copyedits like we had last drive with a particular editor.
 * I did not sign up as a checker until later during that evening's session -, just before I posted on Diannaa's page 12 minutes later. Chaosdruid (talk) 11:32, 3 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah! I just read your latest message - Unfortunately I open talk pages (in which case I cannot always see the bottom of the page - especially MofM's which has 1.5 pages of stuff before you even get to the posts), hit the + button (add new section), write my bit, preview it and correct any obvious mistakes, save it, read it again then close the page down. I tend not to read other peoples posts so would not have noticed yours on MofM's talk page, nor did I read it later in the day when I was adding the other notes on there as by then the page was full of kittens and chicken pieces. I did read your thread and the post on Diannaa's page, as I spotted MofM's (well his copyeditor moniker) post but it merely said that he could probably do with "some hints" User_talk:Diannaa
 * Why on earth did you not just say "Are you aware that I told MoFM that his copyedits were dubious some time before yours and Diannaa's conversation?" - to which my reply would have been "No I did not see that, I was offering my help to him as I have interacted with him qutie a bit since he joined and tried to help him along. Unfortunately I did not sign up as a checker until much later that evening and Diannaa was already looking at his work by then (links to diffs)"
 * Thank goodness we got that sorted out, it was starting to really confuse me lol. AS your post on Diannaa's page was simply that he needed a bit of "pointing in the right direction" I left the note on his page, below all the kittens and chickens saying I would help him if he needed anything - I had only just found out he had joined GOCE. Chaosdruid (talk) 11:59, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

PS I just went and checked the link on my talk page, when I click it it just goes to Diannaa's posts on MofM's page where Diannaa gives the feedback about their edits. AS you can probably now understand, once I clicked on the link (your first post on my talk page) it did not take me to your post - I believe this is because Diannaa used the same header title "Guild of Copy Editors" as you did and it went to the first on the TOC -that is why I started talking about my and Diannaa's conversation. Please check it if you like by going to MofM's talk page. Chaosdruid (talk) 12:04, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Travel Guide tag
Hi

As a matter for your personal pleasure check out this page.

I randomly picked that article for checking and noticed the goings on. When I come across things like that I normally take a section of text, paste it into Google and run a search, the more words the better up to about 15 or so. As a result I got that link as the first on the first page of results.

I can see now why someone thought it sounded like a travel guide :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 03:18, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Reply here. --jjron (talk) 13:40, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Unit cohesion
Good work on the Unit cohesion article. I tagged it for copyedit, and you polished it up. --DThomsen8 (talk) 12:10, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm currently off the 2009 articles for the most part as they're getting pretty obscure and many require a lot of interpretation (almost total rewrites) if you're going to do them properly, so I'm dipping into more recent stuff instead. Have actually done a few interesting articles over the last couple of days as a result, that being one of them. Must say it is giving 'lucky' articles like that one a very quick turnaround time though for the tagging/copyediting process. --jjron (talk) 12:35, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I know you're not down as a Reviewer, but I thought given you've done so anyway on that article, if you like you could tick it off on my article count. --jjron (talk) 18:37, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

May GOCE drive - Article word counts
Hi, Microsoft Word does not count words in Wikipedia articles correctly, for example in your list World Series Cricket Results contains 720 words of readable prose (not 5435) and Obernewtyn Chronicles 4462 (not 5004). I haven't checked the others but note that text in user boxes, tables and bulleted lists does not count as "readable prose". It's better to use a tool like this: User talk:Dr_pda/prosesize. If you have any problems setting it up let me know and I'll fix it for you. Best, ► Philg88 ◄ star.png 21:35, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Replied here directing user to the FAQ. --jjron (talk) 02:54, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


 * and could you check The Velvet Underground discography? Thank you.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 17:49, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/Black Rhinoceros

 * Thanks; (modified to indicate edit). --jjron (talk) 12:47, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Arteriovenous oxygen difference
The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Kingdom of Galicia
Just passing by to say hello and thank you for your efforts. --Froaringus (talk) 17:09, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

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Terry (Fawlty Towers)
This page has now been nominated for deletion; please see Articles for deletion/Terry (Fawlty Towers). ╟─ Treasury Tag ► belonger ─╢ 09:59, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. --jjron (talk) 12:52, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/Grand Piano Diagram

 * Also, see my note at the nomination. Makeemlighter (talk) 06:38, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Cheers. --jjron (talk) 10:31, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, BTW, poetic justice anyway, given my strident opposition to featuring sets. :) --jjron (talk) 10:32, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

SiSiC stub
Hello Jjron, thanks for working a little on that stub. I am not familiar enough with standard books in English about ceramics. Any reasonable book would be good enough as reference for the three types of silicon carbide, namely the one produced by the Acheson process mentioned in the main article, the one produced by sintering SiC powder (SSiC) and the one from chemical reaction of carbon with silicon (SiSiC). To get a better situation and reduce the amount of stubs, it probably makes sense to integrate these point in a chapter of the SiC article named types of silicon carbide or so, where other types could be included: SiC drived by chemical vapour deposition, and SiC derived by pyrolysis of carbo-silane resins. What do you think? --Leumar01 (talk) 12:52, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply here; sorry I can't be of much more help there. --jjron (talk) 13:38, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your effort on the article Airbus A330. There are some points that I would like to iron out with you. The tag just under "Entry into service", I think, could be removed because, there are no other appropriate sections for the reference about ETOPS. This is because the validation for ETOPS certification takes place just after entry into service. It wouldn't fit under "Further development" because the section header implies that another variant or major development of the A330 was being planned altogether, not the ETOPS itself. There is also a tag at "and then to 180 minutes after 50,000 flight hours.[45][clarification needed]" What exactly would you like me to do? Same with "instead of a four-engine aircraft proposed by the West Germans,[clarification needed]". I've since removed the latter tag, because your explanation "What West Germans?" is to vague. Are you wondering why it's West Germans, instead of "Germans"? Well, there wasn't a "Germany" during the Cold War; only "West Germany" and "East Germany". Please feel free to revert if deemed neccesary. If you have any other queries, please address them on the talk page. Thanks very much for your valuable effort. The article is being planned for FA status, so any thoughts and opinions are very much welcomed. After the copyedit, could you have a look at the article's A-class nomination? The link to the page can be found on the article's talk page. I can be found at. Sp33dyphil Ready • to • Rumble  10:06, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply here. --jjron (talk) 04:39, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

750 million pounds was requested for the machinery and other jobs required for the construction of the wings. The 7 and 5 million pounds were spent on the new sites and expansion. Do I need to provide a note in the article for this? Also, I'll remove the "confusing" tag, since explanations had been provided. Sp33dyphil Ready • to • Rumble  06:34, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Is the copy-edit on-going? Sp33dyphil  Ready • to • Rumble  10:28, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought so. Thank you so much! Sp33dyphil  Ready • to • Rumble  22:13, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Refs at Buddhism
Thanks for your help. The Buddhism article is definitely unwieldy in several respects. Just a heads-up that you may be stepping into a bit of a wasps' nest. See the talk page for background if you care – I think most of the relevant discussion, in this case, is still on the main talk page, though discussion of the population figures and reliable references about them has been a recurrent theme in the archives. My recent edit had the side effect of reverting your changes, but feel free to weigh in further. / ninly ( talk ) 16:33, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply here; just passing by. --jjron (talk) 16:45, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Sign-off
Hi

Comments moved from the drive page:

Consider alphabetising the order of countries, Radio section should be incorporated as lvl 3 into US section Chaosdruid (talk) 19:10, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, article has been totally re-trashed since the copyedit and is full of thousands of words of garbage that I removed; if people want to discount this for that reason, then do so. It's this type of thing that makes you wonder why you bother! FWIW I've re-reverted the changes (which were done by an anon IP), but it may get done again. --jjron (talk) 15:37, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Apologies, I had not noticed that it had already been trashed. I have moved my comments and your reply to here to prevent cluttering the drive page and to strike my comments.
 * It may be that there is a valid case for separating to a "List of sign-off broadcasts by country" article, created from the moved material, and an AfD put on it for comment and possible deletion. This might prevent the re-addition of the material and move any discussion to the AfD process. What do you think?
 * Apologies once again, I only checked the diffs, the sections were in yellow rather than green and so appeared to still be in there. Chaosdruid (talk) 16:09, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, maybe, but I put a discussion on the talkpage about it where I suggested the possibility of creating a list, but I don't believe it was responded to (not last time I looked). Another GOCE editor agreed the article needed a massive purge though. The IP just re-added the junk without response, or even an edit summary, and deleted the copyedited (basically rewritten) content in the process; I suspect creating a list would meet with the same result, except then we'd have a useless list and a useless article!


 * I had also checked the edit history before doing anything, but there were no regular contributors to seek for feedback; from memory the most significant editors had ten or less edits, most of them hadn't touched it for about three years, and generally they were 'in and out' in a few days.


 * Regardless, there are so many problems with that list it really doesn't belong on WP. Unsourced, unencyclopaedic, original research, with few dates (things like station sign-offs tend to change relatively regularly), and probably at least half of it was close to unintelligible. Then by having the list, the next problem becomes that it's so incomplete, that it's not funny. Not sure where there's a win anywhere in there. As I said before though, if it being reverted means it's not counted for the drive, then so be it. --jjron (talk) 13:40, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

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 * Cheers. --jjron (talk) 13:45, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Apologies as I copied your username rather than your signature, hence the upper-case first J. Chaosdruid (talk) 14:30, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries. Tis an easy fix. --jjron (talk) 10:58, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Salt Farmers - Pak Thale.jpg 2

 * Thanks. --jjron (talk) 08:26, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

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Broken Hill Panorama
Dear John,

I am a Senior Lecturer in Architecture at the University of Queensland. I tried to download a higher res image of your wonderful Broken Hill Panorama - The image is corrupted. I'm helping a colleague who designed the memorial & restaurant on top of the slag heap. We would like to use your image as part of a report on the project. My contact: p.guedes@uq.edu.au

Best wishes,

Pedro — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.101.251.65 (talk) 00:03, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello Pedro. The full-res version downloads fine for me from Wikipedia. Have you tried to do it more than once (the connection may have been interrupted or something)? If you have no luck, I could email you a copy if you like (as long as it's for educational or not-for-profit purposes). Cheers, John

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:SemenovaKsenia5.jpg

 * Thanks. --jjron (talk) 14:01, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

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POTD notification
Hi John,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Jigging off Queenscliff Pier, Vic, jjron 5.12.2009.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on July 17, 2007. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2011-07-17.  howcheng  {chat} 20:14, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you. --jjron (talk) 01:59, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Kallista pics
Hello John, I'd like to use one or two of your Kallista photos in an arboriculture promo for Technical Rescue can you email me at ade6@aol.com to let me know if this OK or for more information. Cheers Ade Scott86.174.46.254 (talk) 21:30, 20 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Replied via email. --jjron (talk) 10:06, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism revert
Was checking history from 2007 when you removed this section. It might've been better to revert rather than remove, because it had replaced legitimate commentary. I've restored what was overwritten by the vandal, I wouldn't have known it was there if not for checking the history though. AweCo (talk) 00:26, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Um, 2007? Really? Yeah, so I remember doing that! :) And from a talkpage that itself hadn't been edited since 2007 to top it off? Geez Louise! --jjron (talk) 11:00, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

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 * Thanks. --jjron (talk) 06:07, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever

 * Cheers, --jjron (talk) 14:37, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

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 * Thank you. --jjron (talk) 14:05, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Modest Barnstar

 * Thanks. --jjron (talk) 14:02, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/Longnose sawshark

 * Cheers. --jjron (talk) 14:03, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/Space Shuttle Discovery STS-120

 * Thanks. --jjron (talk) 14:54, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

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 * Belated thanks. --jjron (talk) 04:39, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Felling techniques
Hello Jjron, I am new to this so I may make mistakes. I saw the pictures you have showing the arborist felling a eucalyptus tree in Kallista, Australia and could not help wondering about the faller's techniques. I am an old forest fire fighter and a USFS Qualified Faller and I love chainsaws. Were those pictures of the faller taken for the pictures and then the arborist felled the tree a few minutes later? If those are the actual felling cuts, where is the undercut? Also, there is someone standing in a very dangerous place, though it might be the swamper who helps the faller. I am a very curious person and when I see something unusual I can't help but wonder about it. I have never heard of a faller/forest fire fighter climbing a tree to cut it down. We stayed on the ground and flagged snags that could not be felled safely. I have always admired those tree climbers, and I have been doing some small trees like that myself, though it is a bit scary until you get used to it. Was he plunge cutting to remove the undercut? Or is the undercut on the off side so I can't see it? Thanks, Darrell  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.206.184.89 (talk) 13:16, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello Darrell. No the pictures weren't staged. The tree felling was taking place in a public picnic ground (Grants Reserve I think it's called, just out of Kallista, if you're interested in looking it up). I actually went there mainly to take photos of birds, but then they were taking down this tree as apparently it had become dangerous.


 * For the record I don't know anything about tree-felling beyond common knowledge, so I can't really help out with technical details. From memory (and it's over three years ago now) the guy was just cutting straight through the tree, then moving down a section (say 10m) and doing the same again, no undercuts or anything that I can think of (I don't even really know what an undercut is, I assume the small 'wedge' cut from below done before the main cut?), but maybe he was making them.


 * They had a crane there, and it was holding the top of the tree as he cut, then lifting it down a section at a time. The guys at the bottom would then help stack it up and detach the crane (you can see the cut sections in this photo). The chainsaw man would then reattach the crane at the top of the tree, climb down about 10m, and cut another section. As I said it was a public picnic area, and also just beside a fairly busy tourist road, and although the area was fenced off, I guess they had to be careful due to those things. That's also why they couldn't just bring the whole tree down in one fall I imagine. Perhaps the crane was taking the weight of the top of the tree, meaning they didn't need to do an undercut - is this possible? I always thought that guy was in a slightly dangerous position too, but I guess it was all held by chains etc, but still things can go wrong.


 * I've uploaded another photo that shows a slightly more distant view, where you can see a bit clearer how the crane was holding the top of the tree as the man with the chainsaw cut. Hope that helps!


 * Oh, and welcome to Wikipedia, don't be worried about 'making mistakes'. Please feel free to create an account, and help out. Cheers, --jjron (talk) 04:31, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Brown Mountain
Sorry didn't get back to you before.

I've only been up a few times. The coordinates I've got are the track starts at -37.2443,148.7566, past a tree at -37.2605,148.7562, and down to a river at -37.2615,148.7583. It'd only take a couple of hours. There's also a lookout at -37.3716,148.8201 1032m (maybe that's Woolybutt mountain). 2WD is ok in the drier times of year (so I guess now they'd be ok now). I haven't been to Goolengook because the roads were blocked off the time I tried. Wish I could give more info, but I really don't know too much. There's some maps you can buy that are made by someone who lives in the area that has more specific details than Melways type maps, but I don't remember what it was called either. Hope that helps somewhat, but I'd recommend getting some other opinions. Jill Redwood runs a lodge up there and I'm sure could tell you more. She can be contacted at EEG at eastgippsland.net.au —Pengo 11:14, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks; replied on user's talk. --jjron (talk) 15:43, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Good to hear of your adventures out there. Glad you made it all the same :) Would love to see photos if you managed to get a few. —Pengo 15:50, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

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OMEO
I was researching seven years ago and I would forward what I found to Footypedia.com. Footypedia put some stuff on its boards then I suppose someone forwarded what Footypedia had onto FPF. As the data past from hands to hands bits dropped of or got twisted. My assumption onlyPurrum (talk) 14:29, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

September barnstar

 * Cheers. --jjron (talk) 04:14, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

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Featured picture candidates/EOS 5D Mark II

 * Thanks. --jjron (talk) 15:29, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Featured_picture_candidates/Victorian_Arts_Centre_Spire,_Melbourne_II
Regarding your comments to me. I had the urge to spew forth a response...

1) I didn't mean to insult your camera. To me it didn't look like a high quality photo. If you'd like to say I just don't know what I'm talking about, that's fine. I'm not much of a photographer so you may well be correct.

2) Halos around objects are often a result of sharpening. If that was done deliberately by your camera, that's fine. Again, we'll just fall back on I don't know what I'm talking about and just don't understand good photography.

3) Even though I don't know what I'm talking about (which happens a little more than I care to admit), almost every corner of Wikipedia is open to me and others like me. You'd have better luck adjusting yourself to that idea than in getting me to go read a book on command. Let's just hope I learn quick and don't do too much damage as I stumble through.

And 3) regardless of whatever issue you had with my edit to the photo, I still think it looks much better straight and without the extra cloud. But, I'm perfectly happy to let you have it your way on that point if it's your wish.

No hard feelings and I still think it's a beautiful photo.

JBarta (talk) 22:39, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

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Image Use
Dear John, I am contemplating seeking a Domain Name Dispute Resolution. One of your images is involved. Can you pls email me to discuss further? JennyOz 03:46, 11 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JennyOz (talk • contribs)
 * Please leave further details here or email me using the "E-mail this user" link in the "Toolbox" on the lefthand side of this page, or via this link. Thanks, --jjron (talk) 15:04, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks John, will do. JennyOz 00:50, 12 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JennyOz (talk • contribs)

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Wikipedia is fun
Sometimes things get rough on here. Vandalism, content disputes, heated arguments - Wikipedia can be a lot of stress. But it's all worth it for those moments when you look through four-year-old delist nominations and see a vote like yours. Makeemlighter (talk) 22:06, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Haha, nice. Even I laughed on re-reading that. :) --jjron (talk) 11:26, 30 December 2011 (UTC)