User talk:Jkaharper/2023/August

Betty Ann Bruno
I truly disagree that exception is merited. It's still an uncredited role, one where she played amongst a collective of other actors. If she happened to be the last surviving actor in the film, or last surviving Munchkin perhaps, but that's not the case. Outlets tend to grab at the bigger name projects a deceased participant in a film or show worked on, but when you look into it they're either uncredited or not even listed in any capacity as part of that production. To submit an acting career where she held one uncredited role as being on even footing as her years long Emmy winning journalism career I don't find to be very sensical. Rusted AutoParts 23:43, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, shall we try and keep the conversation in one place rather than moving it? If you feel strongly about this, then happy for us to discuss further on the talk page of the Deaths in 2023 page. Thanks again --Jkaharper (talk) 23:47, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Johnny Hardwick
Hi. I was talking to someone on the teahouse about Johnny Hardwick's death and they thought that WP:TMZ was not reliable enough to make such a heavy edit to the page. Do you think we should wait for other media outlets to pick up on the story before editing the page?

Thanks TenToe (talk) 16:12, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , nope. We've not discredited TMZ as a source for a death in recent times for any other pages. Don't see why we should in this instance. --Jkaharper (talk) 16:13, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Just checked and the metro has also spoken about it. Not sure how reliable it is but the fact that two separate sources are talking about it seems like we should go for it. TenToe (talk) 16:16, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Use of full names

 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Judith_Ann_McKenzie&diff=prev&oldid=1171002053
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hans_Hermann_Weyer&diff=prev&oldid=1170986306

It appears that you frequently repeat the full name of the subject of an article, as in these two examples, instead of referring to them by their surname. Why are you doing that? 185.104.136.20 (talk) 07:00, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * You haven't responded, but you've added repetitions of full names to many more articles in the meantime. Why are you editing in this way? 185.104.136.20 (talk) 12:41, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi there, please register an account on here if you wish to discuss this further – I don't talk to anonymous IP addresses, but I will entertain one response. This is very standard formal English which is appropriate for a biography. The opening section (usually early life and education) should have the full name of the individual (*including* middle names), the end of the biography should refer to both the forename and surname (but not middle names). This is 1) a formality, 2) helps to distinguish between other family members that share the surname (and in some cases forenames) within the early life and personal life sections and 3) counters poor repetition for the opening of paragraphs "Smith won the... / Smith was also chairman of the... / Smith died on 20 August 2023". I would invite you to look at the use of written English in obituaries in The Daily Telegraph, The Guardian, and The Times that follow this exact manual of style. Thanks for your query --Jkaharper (talk) 13:49, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Tania Weber
Hi, can you please stop messing with Tania Weber, you're turning it into a different article, about a different person altogether. See all the other Wiki language versions, they all say this is a Finnish-born person, original name Tanja Sarsgardeer (b. 1926), not German-born Irmugard Maria Weber (b. 1933). If you want to create an article on the latter, feel free to do so, but don't hijack this article. Thanks. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:41, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'm not "messing with" anything. Italian cinema is what is a mess – it's poorly sourced and badly recorded. However, everything seems to suggest that this is the same person and the birth details have been erroneously recorded at some stage. The Facebook source is the best we have to go off – the author is a historian of Italian cinema. I'd trust his word over IMDb, AllMovie or "Notre Cine" (the later which, despite not being a blacklisted source, ought to be as they seem to just copy from Wikipedia or IMDb). Do you have any evidence to suggest that there were two separate actresses in Italian cinema called "Tania Weber" during the same period? Thanks --Jkaharper (talk) 16:30, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, you kind of are messing, when you keep changing the article content without supporting evidence. You don't even change the sources, just the content, so the sources don't then match what it says in the article.
 * No, I don't have any evidence other than the sources cited in the article. Facebook is not a reliable source, as I'm sure you know; the others aren't much better, I'll grant you, but they all say she is Finnish, so I think the weight of evidence is in favour of that. Also the Wikidata record says this, as do all the other language Wikis, so if you're going to change the English article, you'll have to change all the others, also. Are you prepared to do all that based on just a single source (and Facebook, at that)? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:57, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , I've responded on the Tania Weber talk page, and restored the death date using a new source. Thanks --Jkaharper (talk) 15:00, 30 August 2023 (UTC)