User talk:Jlbrownii

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Hello, thanks for your note. Can you help me to understand how I can better cite items as "notable"? I pulled the most relevant facts from reputable sources - including associated musicians/contributors, summaries of record reviews, and biographical data. What areas are being flagged as 'non-notable'? Thank you for your help. (Jlbrownii (talk) 17:42, 1 October 2012 (UTC))


 * See Wikipedia's general notability guideline for information on notability. It's not the sources that are being flagged as non-notable, it's the topic of the article. Let me know if you have further questions. Go Phightins! (talk) 19:46, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I've gone through the notability guideline and have outlined some points of clarification.

Subject of multiple, non-trivial published works: http://rochester.metromix.com/music/article/proud-simon/1452137/content http://www.popmatters.com/pm/review/143934-brian-keenan-today-this-year/ http://www.popmatters.com/pm/review/65544-proud-simon-night-of-criminals/

He has released 4 full length albums and 3 Eps in his 10 year career, which can be read about on many reputable online sources including PopMatters, Paste Magazine, Metromix, CMJ, All Music Guide, Exclaim, Americana UK, Amplifier, Pete Nema, AWMusic, Magnet Magazine, AOL Spinner, Babysue and others.

Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians: Contributors in his band have included members of many notable groups and associations past and present, including Jamie Candiloro (Grammy-nominated producer of Ryan Adams, REM, Jesse Malin, Courtney Love, member of the Cardinals), Jim Sykes (Marnie Stern, Grooms, Invisible Things), Josh Grange (kd Lang, Lionel Richie, Stephen Malkmus, Jayhawks) Jeff Berner (Chris Cubeta & Liars Club, Psychic TV), Adrian Morgan (Chief Engineer at Timeless Mastering), Dave Tedeschi (Stone Cold Fox), Gordon Hartin (Ghost Gamblers, Shooter Jennings), Matt Kepler (Acey Slade & the Dark Party), Patrick Hay (Great Elk), Ben Yonda (Cricket Spin), Justin Staller (A City Safe from Sea, Snow Fairies), Bryce Hackford (Behavior), Skye Steele(Nation Beat, The Hot Holy Mess), Raphael McGregor(Willie Nelson, Nation Beat) and others.

Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio network: His music has been played on popular internet radio programs, including Hype Machine, Ground Control, Large Hearted Boy, Faronheit, Indie Rock Cafe, The Mad Mackerel, The Phantom Tollbooth, Planeta Pop, Broken Horse Stereo, Amplifier, Aiding and Abetting, Stereogum and many others.

His music has been played by national radio networks, including KCSB, KCSS, KDHX, KTSW, KUMD, KWCR, KWVA, KZSC, WAUG, WBER, WBWC, WICB, WITR, WMHD, WMNF, WMPG, WMSE, WNHU, WRFL, WRNC, WRSU, WSYC, WTCC, WUMD, WUSC, WUMD, WUSC, WVUD, WVUM, WWUH, WXAV, WXCI, WXCU based on Mediaguide radio charts.

Has performed music for a work of media that is notable: His song "Burning Bridges" was featured in the independent film "Sneakers and Soul", winners of many awards including Yosemite Film Festival Best Feature Film, New Jersey International Film Festival Director's Choice Award, Best Impact of Music in a Feature Film Park City Film Music Festival, Winner Jersey Shore Film Festival Best Feature Film 2010, Winner Clearwater Film Festival Best Musical Score/Soundtrack, Winner Best First Feature Williamsburg International Film Festival 2010, Nominated Best Narrative Feature Tallahassee Film Festival 2010.

Please help me to understand if these points help to clarify, and meet Wikipedia's requirements for notability for musicians/ensembles. Thanks.


 * Hi there, and welcome to Wikipedia :) I realise it can be frustrating when content you have added to wikipedia is disputed, but it's always done for the right reasons! I'd suggest you read WP:TOOSOON as from what I've read in the article, the sources you've cited are acceptable, however its the artist himself that may not meet notability guidelines.


 * Check out the bottom of your talk page and you'll see you've been left instructions on how to contest the proposed deletion of your article. Hope this helps, if you have any further questions, please feel free to ask here (There's no need to re-add the helpme template as I'll watch this page). Kind regards!  Alex J Fox  (Talk)(Contribs) 18:25, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your response AlexJFox. I understand the WP:TOOSOON concept, but simply argue that the notability guideline is met. The article is about an artist who was a founder of a notable band, and has since started a solo project. His career is well documented in significant, verifiable sources. Wikipedia seeks to benefit readers by acting as a comprehensive compendium - when researching this artist/genre, why shouldn't a 10-year contributing member of the rich NYC music scene be documented? I understand how to contest deletion by removing the tag, but I do not understand how/under what guidelines the content can be contested-if the notability guidelines are met, under what circumstance does the article still qualify for deletion? Please advise, many thanks!

Proposed deletion of Brian Keenan (Independent Musician)


The article Brian Keenan (Independent Musician) has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Does not meet the music notability criteria for musicians; the sources cited all fail as reliable sources in respect to criterion #1 and he does not appear to meet any of the other criteria.

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. &mdash;Darkwind (talk) 04:23, 1 October 2012 (UTC)