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AfD Nomination: Annette Richardson Dinwoodey
I've nominated the article Annette Richardson Dinwoodey for deletion under the Articles for deletion process. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that Annette Richardson Dinwoodey satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion. I have explained why in the nomination space (see What Wikipedia is not and Deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Annette Richardson Dinwoodey. Don't forget to add four tildes ( ~ ) at the end of each of your comments to sign them. You are free to edit the content of Annette Richardson Dinwoodey during the discussion, but please do not remove the "Articles for Deletion" template (the box at the top). Doing so will not end the discussion. —Wknight94 (talk) 03:33, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


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June 2008
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In regard to this edit, you violate two separate Wikipedia policies: no personal attacks, specifically by ("Using someone's affiliations as a means of dismissing or discrediting their views") and votestacking--appealing for editors to support your side of a disagreement, rather than seeking unbiased, uninvolved editors.

I get that you feel strongly about this. It's OK to feel strongly, but I encourage you not to take it personally. You've expressed that you want to keep this civil and be Christlike, a perspective I highly encourage. Wikipedia is neither yours nor mine--the fact that the rules and consensus agrees with me rather than you doesn't make me better or my viewpoint superior. It just makes mine the more consensus, average, and pedestrian viewpoint. Neutral third parties have rendered opinions. Go look at my edit history, and you'll see that none of them have collaborated with me before: they're not my friends or cronies, just other Wikipedia editors. Jclemens (talk) 05:18, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm really sorry about the way I've acted over this. I haven't acted the way I should have over something so small, but it really struck the wrong chord with me.  I still completely disagree that the "C" should be capitalized, but I do apologize.  I really kind of do take it personally, because essentially it's a slap in the face (not from you, from Wikipedia as a whole) that leaves the imprint "Your ideas really don't matter.  This argument will be won by whoever is most PC."  Once again, I'm not saying you're the only one that is going for what's politically correct.  Wikipedia as a whole does that.  I don't think that the "consensus, average, pedestrian", though, understands the church of Christ or why some capitalize/don't capitalize the "c".  Even were there a large percentage of people who felt it should be uncaps, that group would lose out, simply because there are very likely more non-church of Christ Wikipedians than there are church of Christ Wiks.  Many Wiks don't understand the church of Christ or why many of us feel it an unwritten rule that the "c" should not be capitalized.  I don't understand, say, the Jehovah's Witnesses, so I wouldn't tell them to capitalize Jehovah but not witnesses.  It's not my place.  I try to avoid subjects which don't pertain to me directly.  As far as my 'violation' of two policies - it wasn't a personal attack - I wasn't using your affiliations to discredit your view.  Rather, I was pointing out that you may or may not be a member of the church of Christ and may or may not understand why the "c" is left uncapitalized by some.  And as for 'votestacking', there is nothing that is not going to be done without appeal.  That's just life.  Just like there is no true "fair and balanced" news media, appeal and emotion will always play a role - that never changes in life no matter how hard someone tries.  So, again I'm sorry about the way I acted but I still strongly disagree.  And as for the manual of style I could gladly do without it.  Jlrich (talk) 01:22, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's another analogy I came up with--bad me, if I'd thought of this illustration sooner, it might have helped. Think of Wikipedia like the phone book.  Every phone book I've ever seen has "Church of Christ" and pretty much for the same reason as Wikipedia.  They don't know or care about particular preferences, and if they had to deal with all of them, they'd soon be overwhelmed, so they just stick to the most pedestrian English capitalization possible.  Did you see that one editor who was thinking "churches of Christ" would be referring to all of Christendom?  That's the sort of misinterpretation that some people get--I would have never thought of that, and I suspect you would not have, either, but that's a more obvious interpretation to those who know nothing of the Churches of Christ as a particular religious tradition.
 * I hope this whole episode doesn't sour you on Wikipedia too much. I have never once doubted your sincerity and desire to do the right thing; I've just disagreed about what "the right thing" in a particular situation is.  I'm actually toying with the idea of getting List of universities and colleges affiliated with the Church of Christ up to Featured List status; That's how I came upon the Obong article to begin with.  I think the post-WWII expansions of CofC colleges is a fascinating sociological phenomenon, that has completely changed the socioeconomic makeup of Churches of Christ in two generations. Jclemens (talk) 06:34, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Third Opinion
Hello Jlrich, I have removed your request for a third opinion. It was already listed by User:Jlrich and provided by User:HelloAnnyong. In this case I believe we can simply try to follow Manual_of_Style_%28capital_letters%29. If you want more wikipedia editors to look at an issue, you can list it at WP:RFC. The WP:3O option is generally intended for disputes between two editors and a neutral opinion given by a third.Species8473 (talk) 11:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC)