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 jlrobertson - My full resume is at my web page Jerald Robertson.info. I'm new at this but hope to continue working on Wiki articles as I seem to enjoy it. Any help and advice will be appreciated

Neo-Pantheism
I've added some 1906-1917 sources on the talk page. Please incorporate them into the article as you see fit. Cheers! bd2412 T 05:01, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

It has been done where appropriateJlrobertson (talk) 12:49, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

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This has been addressedJlrobertson (talk) 12:47, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

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HrafnTalkStalk 18:36, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Questions/comments should be placed on User talk pages (such as this one) not on user pages.
 * 2) In response to this misplaced question, yes I object to recreating these pages, unless and until substantial third party coverage can be found for them (per WP:NOTE). At the time I redirected The Great Story it was wholly unsourced. I did not redirect Epic of Evolution (I merely altered an existing redirect), this was done as the result of Articles for deletion/Epic of Evolution. Recreating it without solid evidence that the topic can now be demonstrated to meet with WP:NOTE will likely result in it being re-redirected per that AfD.

January 2009
Please do not add content without citing reliable sources. Before making potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. If you are familiar with Citing sources please take this opportunity to add references to the article. HrafnTalkStalk 17:40, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Please do not add unsourced or original content. Doing so violates Wikipedia's verifiability policy. If you continue to do so, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 16:19, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with Hrafn. I greatly appreciate your heart but you really need to be careful and only post content that can be supported by third-party sources. I posted some possible language and sources on the Epic of Evolution talk page. I suggest you run language by a seasoned wikipedian on the discussion (talk) page before posting. Hrafn is a good one to give feedback. MBDowd (talk) 19:23, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Comments on your Michael Dowd rewrite
Michael asked me to take a look at your rewrite and give comments: HrafnTalkStalk(P) 04:25, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) (Such rewrites usually go in a sandbox (a subpage of your userpage, usually called something like User:Jlrobertson/sandbox, rather than in your main user page.)
 * 2) It is unclear whether EnlightenNext Magazine is a reliable source. I would suggest a more solid source as a primary basis for your article.
 * 3) It is better to state what "The New York Times Magazine and The Washington Post to the National Catholic Reporter, NPR, the BBC" have to say about him, rather than simply mentioning their coverage. Such sources are far more appropriate basis for an article than EnlightenNext.
 * 4) Your proposed rewrite relies too heavily on primary sources -- particularly Dowd's writings & websites
 * 5) Generally, it is better to include information (e.g. from philosophers and theologians) that engage Dowd's ideas in detail, rather than fairly vague or superficial praise (particularly in the case of the 'endorsements', when they are unsourced.
 * 6) Amazon user reviews are never reliable sources.

Francis Lucille
Hi, I have found your username from the spirituality section. I need your help and suggestion. I am trying to add an article on one of the Living spiritual teacher. but,I am facing an problem.

The editors who have visited this page don't understand spirituality and they have tagged it for deletion. i need your help urgently. so they are trying to compare it with other biographies in the field of sports etc. As you know,the field the spirituality is not very commercial. so I am having a hard time convincing them. could you please help amd and take a look at article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Lucille http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Francis_Lucille.

Appreciate all your help.

Thanks Amarhindustani Amarhindustani (talk) 15:41, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I wasn't trying to be libelous. I'm studying theology and the term "radical theologian" is actually used by Alteizer! You shouldn't judge someones motives. I like the term radical theologian and find radical theologians fascinating. My beliefs don't come into it. Sorry for the angry tone but please can you not be so quick to accuse

--613kpiggy (talk) 18:08, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Sorry for being rude. I misunderstood you. I'm just not used to be described as libelous. I'm trying to learn the rules. Thank you.

--613kpiggy (talk) 18:44, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Religious naturalism
Thank you for your kind words and acknowledgement regarding my edits. If there's something you'd like proofread, I'd be happy to take a look. --Cybercobra (talk) 05:20, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

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 * An administrator removed the proposed deletion notice before I could address itJlrobertson (talk) 17:35, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Charles Darwin
Re this edit, why not just change to  ? – ukexpat (talk) 16:17, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

613 Piggy
613kpiggy – you are not using proper Wiki procedures in your work. Statements must be referenced in line for most editors to accept them. You had best read and reread and adhere to policies or you run the risk of getting your stuff deleted. Just being helpful. It takes a while to get into the proper flow of doing Wiki articles.

An example - you put John Shelby Spong in the religious naturalists category. Do you have a solid reference that allows you to do that??? I'm familiar with his thinking and know people who know him. They tell me he is one however I have no reference in print that allows me to call him a religious naturalist. So how can you. Your analysis may let you come to that conclusion but that is original work 9and your opinion) and not allowed by Wiki policy.

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Message to Hrafn
I believe my present rewrites of the Epic of Evolution and Michael Dowd show them to be subjects of substance and merit that can stand alone. Both are fully referenced now, maybe not Precisionist so, but decently so. Perhaps more than necessary to counter your past criticism of them. Both have been reviewed by two administrators prior to pasting in.

Thanks for pointing out the use of Users sandboxes – I’m learning

You-“Your proposed rewrite relies too heavily on primary sources -- particularly Dowd's writings & websites” this article now has 71 references, the majority of which are not Dowd’s sites.

You in the past - “Additionally the tone of the proposed rewrite is not particularly neutral -- most glaring example is your recent edit, in the lead no less, calling his wife "acclaimed" – I was using the language of one of the references, deleted it but put it back in with reference and finally deleted it. The references (mostly interviews) to Dowd and his wife are not usually neutral. If I was not interested in a neutral point of view would I add a section on criticism of Dowd? As to my being neutral on evolution, I’m biased like 99% (or 95% depending on reference source) of the world’s scientists. I think it is called main stream, not biased point of view.

I have already had my say about EnlightenNext being a reasonable source for citations. I believe your questioning of it as a reliable source was your opinion and without verifiable merit. Do you have a reliable reference saying different? Because you say something is not a reliable source, does not make that so!

You threatened me –“ you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia”. You are not an administrator and do not have that right! Your wholesale deletion of my last redo of Dowd was not at all proper in my opinion. “Users may be blocked from editing by an administrator to protect Wikipedia and its editors from harm.” - Not for disobeying you.

Wiki policy calls for not biting the newcomers and Civility. I felt bitten and question how civil you were. You have a history of getting negative comments. You have been called malformed, biased, abrupt, uncivil, heavy-handed (your admission), unwikipedian, disruptive, arrogant, infuriating, impolite, lacking in good faith, react with some heat (your admission) and insulting. You have been accused of yelling at other users, attaching them and treating them shabbily.

You spend much of your time on the talk page for some reason. Why is that?

“Wikipedia:Don't be inconsiderate - If a significant number of reasonable people suggest, whether bluntly or politely, that you are being inconsiderate, the odds are good that you are not entirely in the right. If you have been labeled as inconsiderate, especially if you have been told this by several people in a particular community, it might be wise to consider the possibility that it is true. If you suspect that you may be inconsiderate, the first step is to become aware of it. Ask yourself what behavior might be causing this perception. Try changing your behavior and your mode of presentation. In particular, identify the harsh words in your communications and replace them with softer ones.”, “Being right about an issue does not mean you're not being inconsiderate! An inconsiderate person can be right — but they're still inconsiderate!”

My last work on Dowd resulted in a wholesale deletion of everything I added. That was improper. Selective where warranted but not wholesale. You have done this before to others.(“Again, Hrafn, please do not delete entire articles for under-referencing” and “Well, how about you not DELETE AN ENTIRE SECTION without first discussing”). Don’t do this again to me or anyone else.

You like to tell editors to read the policies. I suggest you read these- Wikipedia:Civility - Wikipedia:An uncivil environment is a poor environment - Wikipedia:Ethic of reciprocity - Wikipedia:Don't be inconsiderate - Wikipedia:Assume good faith - Wikipedia:How to be civil - Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers - Wikipedia:Newcomers are delicious, so go ahead and bite them - Wikipedia:Apology - Wikipedia:Source of conflict - Poorly informed newbies - Wikipedia:WikiBullying - Wikipedia:Don't call a spade a spade - Wikipedia:Etiquette - Wikipedia:No angry mastodons - Wikipedia:How to be civil - m:Don't be a dick

Why have I taken so much time to respond to you? First, you pissed me off (not my preferred language but one you have used improperly in my opinion on Wiki pages so you probably understand it better than my ‘ticked off’ term). Second, you bring a perspective and effort to Wikipedia that is badly needed. But you must change your methods otherwise you will burn out or get booted out. You earned a sincere barnstar from me for educating me but you didn’t need to tick me off doing it. So I appeal to you to soften your replies to others and don’t be such a Precisionist and Dick. Wiki is open editing and will never be perfect. It will always need people to keep it on course. Thus it needs you. Just be kind in doing your thing. Moderation in all things.

I give you a challenge – see if you can earn one of these

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar, The Barnstar of Good Humor, The Civility Barnstar or a Guidance Barnstar. Perhaps a Citation Barnstar which is awarded to users who provide references and in-line citations to previously unreferenced articles rather than sitting around sapping people. I will keep tabs on how you are doing.

I have come down on you a bit harsh. I could have sweet talked you but - just making a point – do you get it? Sincerely, let us be cooperative, considerate, co-workers and welcome those who join in. I am going to be a good editor and you pointed me in the right direction. For that I will always be thankful. You earned the barnstar. History is history, a clean slate for now. Sincerely,Jlrobertson (talk) 10:47, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

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Hello, Why do you add external links to http://www.humanjourney.us/ ? It will probably be an excellent site one day, but at present it only contains the message "CURRENTLY IN DEVELOPEMENT Please check back." Please have a look at WP:EL before adding more external links. BTW, did you know that you don't need to sign your edits to articles using four tilde ( ~ ), only posts to talk/discussion pages. Thanks --Fama Clamosa (talk) 17:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


 * And why would that introduction change any of this? It is full of...
 * Visitors will be able...
 * As they navigate through these stages on the website, visitors will see... 
 * ''...visitors to The Human Journey website will follow...
 * This section will consider...
 * I really can't see why readers would find that site helpful. So why are you adding these links?  Are you affiliated with the Institute for the Study of Human Knowledge somehow?
 * --Fama Clamosa (talk) 20:18, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Please stop adding links to this site, per the external links guideline. Thank you in advance. --Ckatz chat spy  22:08, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: Religious naturalism title
You can ask User:SoWhy on on their talk page if they could justify and/or reverse the move; their edit summary mentions a move request, but there is no corresponding discussion on the article's talk page, which is unusual.

If they refuse, you can file a Requested Move yourself to have the page moved back.

Also, I am not, nor have I ever claimed to be, an administrator. --Cyber cobra (talk) 16:49, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

WikiBirthday
I saw from here that it's been four years since you joined the project. Happy WikiBirthday! Keep up the good work, r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 02:49, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

February 2010
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