User talk:Jmabel/Archive 22

Nobs Redux at Talk:VENONA project
Someone, not I, has consolidated the discussion over the Venona documents and how to represent them (prompted by the text written by Nobs on many pages) onto a single page: Talk:VENONA project. I hope you will join us in trying to resolve many of the issues that keep cropping up across Wikipedia in this matter. Thanks.--Cberlet 13:09, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

ECUSA
Joe!! Thanks for helping disambiguate the Episcopal Church in Barry Goldwater. It was much appreciated!! - Roby Wayne Talk &bull;  Hist 09:07, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Wrong map
At Vallès Oriental, you've linked a map that actually shows the Vall d'Aran, not Vallès Oriental.

Oh, crap. I knew I should have double-checked the Catalonia Wikipedia and shouldn't have try juggling three edit windows simultaneously. Thanks for catching that and my apologies. --Calton | Talk 11:31, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Serbs
Notice that Serb Rod Blagojevich is the current governer of Illinois, USA; he personnally said "over one quarter of a million of Illinois Serbs". You will see everywhere sites about Serbs in Chicage (and the well-known fact of 300,000 Chicago Serbs), while wikipedia says that there are over 300,000 Croats (true) and there are less Croats then Serbs in USA. The highest estimates for entier USA go to 700,000 Serbs, and lowest to half a million... The "Yugoslavs" in that PDF, are probably mostly Serbs (referring to FR Yugoslavians I think). HolyRomanEmperor 17:05, 24 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Again, if you will see it "everywhere", why is there so much trouble coming up with one solid citation? -- Jmabel | Talk 17:29, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

From Land of Valencia
I've seen that you usually contribute on articles related to catalan-speaking countries and its culture and language. What do you think about to plan an article such this: Catalan translation of the week?. I've also purposed the idea to Joan sense nick. --Martorell 19:58, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Lists of songs
I am writing because you contributed to the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Centralized discussion/Lists of songs. I have made a policy proposal at User:Wahoofive/Lists of songs and would welcome your comments. &mdash;Wahoofive (talk) 03:44, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm back
I posted on the admin notification board conversation about me. Check it out and weigh in, if you'd like. Uriah923 04:19, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

LPMCOTW
Hi,

have a look at Leftist Parties and Movements Collaboration of the Week. --Soman 20:36, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Bushhitler
I was surprised at the strength of the delete vote on this one. I found some 10,000 Googles which suggested a degree of usage that initially surprised me (I'd originally intended to Afd it). Also I'd have expected some of the anti-Bush people to vote keep just to express their POV. As you say, wiki probably isn't the place to get a useful article on anti-Bushism. Dl yo ns 493  Ta lk  20:42, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

from WP:IFD
appears to have been recently deleted. I can't imagine why: the official seal of a government is never subject to limitations on use in a reference work. If someone can explain what is going on here, could you please respond here and ping me on my talk page, since watchlisting this very busy page isn't much use for seeing if there has been a response. -- Jmabel | Talk 17:48, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Unless the name is a mispelling, I went to the upload log and from what it told me, it was never uploaded. The deletion log told me the same thing.  Zach (Sound Off) 17:58, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

from "Joan sense nick": sorry!
I'm awful sorry for the disastrous consequences of my edition of Crown of Aragon, and the boring job produced. I am a beginner, and didn't know how to do it properly. I just left a question in the discussion page of the article (sept 26), and, having no objections, edited it some days after. Thank you for your work. In future editions, i'll use "move". Sure! --Joan sense nick 21:26, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: "See comments by administrator Asbestos"
Could you please taks a look at ? Ramanim has edited my comments, that have my signature on them. I have no idea what comments of yours he is alluding to, or whether he is doing so ingenuously. I figured I would contact you rather than revert. -- Jmabel | Talk 17:58, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Furthermore, he made similar, more drastic edits on the talk page, and his edit summary appears to threaten me with legal action if I revert. -- Jmabel | Talk 18:03, 2 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi Jmabel &mdash; I'm guessing he was referring to this comment, where I said that I personally didn't have a problem with his wanting to keep his wikipedia life and real life separate if he so wished. Obviously he shouldn't have been changing your comments without your approval, though. What do you think? Like I said, it's so far in the past if he wants to change all references to himself to "Ramanim" that's fine with me personally. &mdash; Asbestos | Talk   (RFC)  22:03, 2 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Frankly, I couldn't care less about him as long as he has stopped using Wikipedia as a propaganda tool and harrassing other editors.
 * As long as he is otherwise well-behaved, I will leave this alone. However:
 * Some of his edits make what I said incoherent: charges of sockpuppetry where "Ranamim" and "Ramanim" tag-teamed don't make much sense once edited to say that "Ramanim" and "Ramanim" tag-teamed.
 * I am somewhat concerned about suppressing evidence of ill conduct in intellectual matters by someone with academic ambitions.
 * The threat of legal action does not lead me to think he will be otherwise well-behaved, although I'm willing to wait and see. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:55, 3 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, those are all good points. Also, edits like this shouldn't be permitted &mdash; he can't just erase paragraphs as if he ad never said them. What if I revert all the recent changes he has made, then let him know that he can change references to his former name to PN, which would still direct to his former user page, but not show up on Google with his name? Aside from that, he doesn't seem to be interested in contributing anymore, so I think his future behaviour won't be our concern. &mdash; Asbestos | Talk   (RFC)  16:13, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Do whatever you see fit. -- Jmabel | Talk 19:21, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Having said that check this out for an example of a problematic edit, especially because it is obviously him, but he is editing anonymously, removing his comments, altering other people's comments, and leaving the page incoherent in his wake. -- Jmabel | Talk 00:15, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I'd love to hear another suggestion. For the moment, I'll give him a chance to respond to my emailed suggestion that he change his name to PN; I've alreacdy reverted all his changes that I found. &mdash; Asbestos | Talk   (RFC)  02:54, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

One piece of how this works

 * Oh... I thought I read otherwise somewhere. I must have misremembered; sorry. Not a big deal to me, though, in general my contributions were intended for the whole world to see and learn from if possible. :-) -- WikidSmaht (talk) 06:28, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Talk:African American
Hey. :) No, no objection to you; to the "troll" -- who's actually posted again.  Peace. deeceevoice 12:50, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

List of songs with brackets in their titles
This article is up for deletion again. In the previous vfd you wrote that you liked the article so your opinion may be of use in the rather one-sided afd that is happening now...  Grue  17:10, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Everything OK?
Anthere said something recently (a general comment nothign about you personally) that reminded me that when last we spoke you were rather stressed. Since we haven't spoken in a while a while I thought I'd drop in and see if everything is going well and if there is anything you need help with. I'd also like you to know that anytime you need a little extra help, all you need do is ask me and I'll do what I can. -JCarriker 05:22, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

The Mountain
no you're right about The Mountain, i wasn't really thinking. My mistake, sorry i'll move it to back. Spute 08:28, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Romania
I answered on the Talk page. The report is a facinating, if disturbing, read. --Goodoldpolonius2 07:01, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Wrestling with Jello
Thanks for trying. I very much understand--it is like wrestling with Jello. At some point, now that we are in mediation, I might ask if you add the same sentiments about decrypts and what agents report to superiors, just as a comment, on themdiation page. The mediator has indicated that is OK for third parties. Thanks again. --Cberlet 14:42, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

The Immortal
I had not yet created Story-stub. Now that it is created, I have moved The Immortal to it instead. BonsaiViking 18:56, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Humble request
Could you please take a look, at this and feel free to review and edit this as it is a prototype for a type of voluntary resource. Since you were one of the first Wikipedians to offer introspection on the community, you will sign on even if you cannot be highly active (or even barely active) as it will be discussing some of your ideas. Also can I please create a page for your systemic bias essay to use as a primary document. Thanks. -JCarriker 06:33, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Should I take your response as approval of my endeavor, and that you will participate in it and that I can use the essay? -JCarriker 04:20, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes I did notice and I have clarified the ambiguities you brought to my attention. Again, thanks. -JCarriker 04:47, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I have elaborated about that small body, I mentioned pleas look at #s 6&7, and tell me which terms would be your preference. Thanks. -JCarriker 23:36, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Regent Ñ's term is the shortest (enye), it ends in January. The demands of the job are simply that you be yourself, and use the brief term to highlight your concerns and handle any issues that come up with the other two Regents. It's meant, in part, to be a think tank, so it has a minimalist structure to promote free thinking. Also keep in mind, that you can always step down, though I ask you to wait a month or so, so that we can all get a feel for it and see where it goes. -JCarriker 19:41, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I have added subpages, including one for your essay (which I made a few minor structural changes to. Please review them, and please indicate if you inted to volunteer for wikibio. Please also review my wikibio, which is what the second link in my original post was suppose to ber at User:JCarriker/wikibio, please feel free to edit it, that's what it's there for. Thanks. -JCarriker 21:44, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Read about the pet Gecko -JCarriker 22:56, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Saint Just
Regarding the edit of the description of Saint Just as having dark or fair hair, his biography by Norman Hampson has a portrait of him by a contemporary on it. http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jean-pierre.proudhon/p_p_prud/stjust.htm I'd say dark is closer to the truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lieven.marchand (talk • contribs) 8 Oct 2005
 * I don't remember ever having anything to say on the rather obscure subject of Saint-Just's hair color. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:08, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Last entry on the Saint Just Talk page re undoing an edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Louis_de_Saint-Just --Lieven.marchand 12:01, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Aha! So I was just reacting to the change of something cited to something uncited. -- Jmabel | Talk 16:40, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Geology of the Moon
Thanks, I was still working on refactoring all the sections, and you noted that there was commented-out text. That saved me a step, figuring out how to tell others about the comments... :) Tito xd (?!?) 04:54, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Template:Jews and Judaism sidebar
Jmabel -- Can you please edit the template "Jew" to include the section "Jewish policy groups"? I suggest placement just between "Jewish denominations" and "Jewish political movements". My suggested initial links in that category are: American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress, Jewish Council for Public Affairs, and Religious Action Center. The policy groups have played a major role in American Jewish life for the past century, and have been an important location (?) for Jewish American leaders, both secular and religious. Much of the public voicing of opinion by the Jewish community has been performed by these organizations. Thank you. 207.67.145.229 18:53, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I have copied this request to Template talk:Jews and Judaism sidebar. -- Jmabel | Talk 16:30, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Help on Lviv
Can you help out on the Lviv topic, specifically the events of the WWII, as the page seems under attack by revisionists. --Goodoldpolonius2 14:50, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

TE ROG SA FII MAI CUMSECADE
Salut, sa stii ca am citit tot ce ai scris despre Romania, daca cumva ceva nu ti-a placut si ai avut un esec pe plan personal aici in Romania te rog sa nu iti afecteze mintea si sa nu fii asa impotriva romanilor cum de multe ori subtil esti sub paravanul neutralitatii, iti scriu in romana pt ca stiu ca intelegi aceasta limba, de fapt este foarte clar un lucru: iti este foarte greu sa te desparti de Romania, chiar daca ai plecat din aceasta tara se poate spune ca te-ai contaminat de ea! la fel ce si alti straini care vin si pastreaza in suflet aceasta tara, de exemplu stiai ca 95% dintre cei care vin sa lucreze aici isi prelungesc termenul de sedere?! acest lucru spune foarte mult despre calitatile poporului roman, asa ca da-i respectul cuvenit, esti prea partinitor. daca ai nevoie de traducere da-mi de stire, salut si numai bine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.105.71.34 (talk • contribs) 14 Oct 2005


 * I find some of the above slightly confusing, but I'll do my best to translate for anyone else who is reading. My Romanian is not that great, and this was a massive sentence with many clauses. The title could be read either as "Thank you for being very decent" or "Thank you for being more decent"; from the content I'm not sure which meaning was intended. Nope, it was "please be more decent" or "please be better behaved". Too long away, losing my comprehension, I should have known that.


 * The body says roughly: "Greetings, you should know that I've read everything you've written about Romania, if somehow you didn't like/enjoy some things  and you had a personal (i.e. related to the personal life) failure here in Romania please don't let it affect your thinking/mind and [please] don't be so against the Romanians, as many times, subtly, under the screen/disguise of neutrality, you are. I'm writing to you in Romanian because I know you understand that language  [You may be overestimating me - JM], in fact one thing is very clear: it was very hard for you to leave Romania, even if having left that country it could be said that you have been contaminated by it! The same as other foreigners who come and then retain that country in their bosom/close to their hearts, for example did you know that 95% of those who come to work here prolong the end of their stay?! That fact speaks very strongly about the qualities of the Romanian people, so please give them (the Ro. people) the due respect, [because now] you are too biased. If you need translation let me know, greetings and all the best.
 * ''(I made a few corrections of the translation bogdan | Talk 22:44, 15 October 2005 (UTC))
 * I'm not sure I follow all of the above correctly. If I read it correctly, I am being told (very politely, albeit anonymously) that I am a bit biased in favor of Romania. Clearly there was a phrase or two that I did not follow, and I may even imaginably have gotten the sense of something backward. Clarification would be welcome. -- Jmabel | Talk 21:58, 15 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Actually, "te rog" means "please" and the subjunctive mood is used here for polite requests. bogdan | Talk 22:44, 15 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Just came across this discussion, and made a few fixes myself. "Cumsecade" means indeed "decent", "well-behaved" but also implies "humane", "kind". So the title could mean "Please behave yourself", or "Please be more kind". Joe, I think this guy is trying to send you the exact opposite message :=) Bogdan, please double-check if I got everything right. IulianU 00:34, 16 October 2005 (UTC)


 * So I am being accused of being biased against Romania. Since the anonymous person who left this message didn't point to any particular thing that I wrote, but claims to have read everything I've written about Romania (which would be a lot: I don't think I'd want to try re-reading all of it myself) I have no idea even if it is my writing in Wikipedia with which he or she has an issue.


 * FWIW, Mihai Roman of Evenimentul Zilei, who wrote May 14, 2002 about my online writings about Romania, seemed to think I was reasonably evenhanded. Evenimentul Zilei no longer has his article up on their site, but the relevant portion of his article can be found, with translation, at http://www.speakeasy.org/~jmabel/travels/romania32.html.


 * Also, FWIW, I consider myself far more well-disposed than not toward Romania, but I don't feel that Romania, any more than my own country (the U.S.), is well-served by uncritical or jingoistic glorification. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:49, 16 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I notice that this is the same anonymous IP (and hence, probably the same person) who made these recent edits to Republic of Moldova. Frankly, I think the edits are bad. Normally I would revert them; since I am being accused of bias in them matter I will respond to them instead one by one on Talk:Republic of Moldova. Frankly, I think this is a waste of time. Matters would be greatly simplified if (1) this person would take an account and (2) if they want to accuse me of bias, don't be so "polite" and instead, start an RfC so that I have an appropriate forum in which to respond. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:02, 16 October 2005 (UTC)


 * You know, I've now slept on this. I will resume editing as normal. If this anon wants to complain that I am biased, he/she needs to cite examples, not just say he/she has read "everything" I've written and I'm biased. I would genuinely welcome an RfC, with the usual enumeration of specific edits that add up to the pattern being complained about. Otherwise, I don't think I'm going to pay any further attention to these remarks. -- Jmabel | Talk 18:26, 16 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I've been here at Wikipedia for almost a year now, and I've never seen Jmabel make an edit that can be described as biased against Romanians or even particularly harsh. And in any case, occasionally you have to be harsh in order to keep an article in check. That's the business of Wikipedia sometimes. But I do not even know of any "harsh" or severe edits that Jmabel has made to any Romanian-related articles. -Alexander 007 21:26, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the vote of confidence. -- Jmabel | Talk 22:39, 16 October 2005 (UTC)