User talk:Jmabel/Archive 45

A question
Hey Joe, I'm going through Public Domain photos of buildings from a government site HABS, and considering some things in Seattle I might want to write articles for or add images or info to. What do you think would be a good name for an article about the Federal Courthouse on 5th as seen here ? Would it be U.S. Courthouse (Seattle), Federal Courthouse (Seattle) ,or King County Federal Building or something else? Or is there already an article about this place that I can't find? Thanks and regards, DVD+ R/W 05:22, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I would imagine that it should now be referred to as the Old Federal Courthouse (Seattle), because there is a new one on Stewart between 7th and 8th. - Jmabel | Talk 05:27, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I'm really floored by the photos and info at this site and hopefully will get around to using some of it. But for now am just compiling some candidates. Thanks again. DVD+ R/W 05:32, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I will, I already uploaded one of the Henry. What are they doing with the old courthouse now that they moved? DVD+ R/W 05:53, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know. - Jmabel | Talk 05:53, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Sebastian on Eliade
Hi. I had originally deleted the "from an alleged..." part because it seemed like overkill. We have "according to Sebastian" as an introductory section - in itself, that establishes that it may be acocryphal. I have since included a mention just below the quote indicating precisely what is disputable about it. I mainly disliked the sentence because it did not comply with format, and because it currently rests inside the quotation marks (which is just wrong, IMO). Tell me what you think. Dahn 07:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Would either of you know what offensive Romanian term he used for Jews in that quotation? It might be helpful to put it in brackets and italics next to its English translation, which seems imperfect. Biruitorul 12:15, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Copying and replying at Talk:Mircea Eliade. - Jmabel | Talk 15:43, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Request for Mediation
This message delivered: 12:05, 10 October 2006 (UTC).

Spamming talk pages
The person who copied the long passage on intelligence quotients into the Talk page of the Ashkenazi Jews article stuck it in a bunch of other places too. Is it appropriate to simply remove it from the Talk page? The talk page is too long, and full of irrelevancy as it is. Is there a way to archive that discussion and start over? Who can do that? I really commend you for your constant revisions on this and several other pages I am interested in. --Metzenberg 06:36, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * If the data was spammed (no precise definition, but I'd say more than three pages) you can remove it; I'd suggest leaving it on the two or three most relevant pages (and indicating in your edit summary for removal at least one place you are leaving it).
 * Archiving is actually pretty easy; just be conscious not to archive discussions that have had activity in the last few weeks. See How to archive a talk page. I'm about to call it a night; if you have further questions, put them here, I'll look tomorrow. - Jmabel | Talk 06:46, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Attribution
Joe, if you have time, I've proposed combining WP:V and WP:NOR into one policy called Attribution. Your input would be much appreciated. SlimVirgin (talk) 07:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

African-American
Sorry it took me so long to get by there -- and when I did, I did little more than a drive-by. I still haven't really read the talk page. Will return when I get a chance. But I had two clients send three, separate Fed Ex packages to the wrong address (to the same similar-sounding, but nonexistent street) within three days of one another. Go figure. They both have my address on file, and it should be committed to memory. I caught the first problem. Thank goodness someone at the Fed Ex center recognized my name and the error on the part of the other client and redirected the work to my address. As a result of the delay, though, I'm really jammed, work-wise, so no telling when I'll get back by there. Maybe next week sometime. Anyway, don't give up. And my apologies again for my hit-and run, scattershot (and somewhat superficial) contributions to the piece at this point in its history). Will try to do better next time around.  Peace.  deeceevoice 16:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Stopped back by AA and did some editing of the section under "issues", which I thought was pretty offensively written (maybe a little more; I don't exactly remember). Still haven't read the thing completely through, though. I saw your comments about DynamicKnowledge's edits -- but couldn't find a section on "historical issues" (did I miss it?), so I don't know what your complaint was/is there. Are there any particular issues outstanding that still need attention? Regards. deeceevoice 17:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar
Thank you for seconding my barnstar. :-) I commented on your NOR addition, by the way. I think you're right; it would be a useful addition. SlimVirgin (talk)  19:07, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

templates question on WP ethnic groups
I asked a question on the wikiproject ethnic groups talk page about your comments about developing templates, after you had on more than one occasion wondered aloud about developing an article-ranking system with related temples, similar (as you said) to what is done for biographies.

There seems to be a whole class of similar templates for WP Mesoamerica, e.g.

Why not just copy their templates & relevant ranking criteria, and modify accordingly?

I would be happy to do this .. about two months from now, after the semester ends. Now I'm swamped.

Thanks --Ling.Nut 00:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Re remodeling the project page: I'll copy the project page to my user space and try to remodel bit by bit over the next few weeks/months... but if you or others beat me to a finished version, then "It is good."--Ling.Nut 13:33, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * TEST version of new template (many categories & relevant pages uncreated; also "task list" template uncreated): see Talk:Rukai people
 * --Ling.Nut 00:30, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Are you OK with deleting the Importance ratings?
 * Absolutely. In this case, "importance" is entirely in the eye of the beholder. - Jmabel | Talk 17:39, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Everything is OK, given that minor mods still need to be made. All the minor details are:
 * I dunno if you noticed, but the text on the template is slightly different from yours. I liked the way cjll wright worded it. But this is trivial; we can change the wording to match your original if you like.
 * Perhaps more importantly, I also kept his rating scheme. I like that scheme better, the main reason being that it's easier to keep something than it is to change it. If we keep his rating scheme, we can also copy/paste his explanatory pages with only trivial alteration, and i don't have to monkey further with the template. In addition, his scheme includes slots for actual Featured Articles and Good Articles. Do you know if any exist in the Ethnics groups.. er... group? I bet some do. Do you have access to a bot that can check this and other things?
 * My scheme also included actual Featured Articles and Good Articles, but I'm fine with his. - Jmabel | Talk 17:39, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * So then all that remains is:
 * Create the various missing pages and categories.
 * Copy/paste from my user space right over the existing template. This will put the new one "in production." It will NOT break anyone's existing template. It will, however, add "??? 	This article has not yet been assigned a rating on the Project's quality scale" to the text of the box. Plus the drop-down task list tempate.
 * Don't copy-paste. Move (which in this case only an administrator can do, so let me know when you want to do this, so let me know when it's ready to go). - Jmabel | Talk 17:39, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Then the legwork of changing every single template on every single talk page to give it a rating. Sigh. Can you stir up some volunteers?
 * I don't know, because the project has been only semi-active, but we'll see.
 * --Ling.Nut 10:28, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * mmmm, item#23 on this list: you know, as for remodeling the project page, simply copy/alter the sidebar template on WikiProject Biography would be a HUGE step in the correct direction. But see all the other things I've written above first. --Ling.Nut 12:53, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * sidebar started User:Ling.Nut/EthnicGroupsSidebarSandbox. see other comments above.--Ling.Nut 15:44, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Do you use bots? The Mesoamerica and Biography projects both do, and I think the services provided are very useful. I've never requsted the services of a bot etc., but I can look into it if you are agreeable.--Ling.Nut 18:51, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * We haven't been using them, but feel free. - Jmabel | Talk 18:54, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I know you're extremely busy and this question may be RTFM, so you don't need to answer unless you want to... but just for my info.. I thought the whole problem with copy/paste was that the associated talk pages weren't moved along too, and that violates GFDL ... but if my page has no talk page, and your template has no talk page, then the accumulative effect of copy/paste is precisely the same as if I edited your template and entered all those changes, by hand, at one blow... I'm not complaining, I'm curious. :-) --Ling.Nut 19:04, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I suppose in this case it is no big deal. You and I are the only ones who have worked on the new template, and I certainly don't care about that in copyright terms. - Jmabel | Talk 21:55, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Misión de Loreto
Thanks for consulting me, and sorry I've taken so long to respond.. Even though I'm on a long wikibreak it's good to see some of my old stomping grounds are still active. I've added my comments to the Loreto talk page. I think Pastfinder's edits were certainly in good faith, but he might have gotten a wee bit overzealous on some parts; you seemed to have ironed out one of them already. Though I worked on the article quite a bit, most of my work was translation. I'm no expert on the subject either; though I like Mexican history, my attendance at a Catholic wedding last week was one of my closest encounters with the Church. - Draeco 06:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

About SORIN CERIN
Mr.Mabel

I am romanian and couple days ago I find what happend with Sorin Cerin in english.

First,Sorin Cerin is NOT american writer or philosopher.He is ROMANIAN but write in english and publish in America.See Writers.net and Ezinearticle.com or much easy go to search on Google about Sorin Cerin.

Second,the guys who try to give you free pooridge is liars because Cerin is well know enough in Romania and in other countries,and about Clujeanul see romanian Wikipedia about Cerin,and find the reality.Clujeanul said about Destiny in romanian language that have been launch to National Teather Bookstore and not to Romanian Literature Museum how all other press said.Again,Sorin Cerin is NOT american writer and philosopher!

Third,notability?Cerin have a lot of notable critique about him.Paul Dugneanu ,Florentin Popescu ,and many other critiques who talk about Cerin works.Cerin is in Reader2 in many countries.See romanian Wikipedia.Is many romanian who live in other countries and do not speak romanian.For these people and other ,who need to know about Cerin is necessary to be in english.

I don't understand sir, how many other romanian soccer players and DJ is in english Wikipedia about nobody don't know anything, and a great writer and philosopher is NOT! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.204.224.205 (talk • contribs) 13 October 2006.

what?
Articles for deletion/Northgate, Seattle, Washington SchmuckyTheCat 02:59, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

New wrinkle in the Oscar Wilde uncyclopedia saga
Hello Jmabel. I wanted to bring to your attention a new addition to the ongoing debate over this situation. User: Mary Beard, a relatively new editor, has created a new uncylopedia template and has only placed it on the OW discussion page. I reverted it once but am refraining from doing so again so that I don't violate the 3RR. Aside from the numerous discussions about this situation (and your compromise of moving it to OW in pop culture page) it is huge and dominates the top of the page. There was no discussion or attempt to reach a consensus before this showed up so I have turned to you and User: Stbalbach to try to help and resolve this situation. My thanks ahead of time for any aid or direction that you can give. MarnetteD | Talk 21:11, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I have nominated the template Template:Uncyclopedia template only for use on talk pages for deletion. - Jmabel | Talk 22:07, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

New page created
Created WikiProject Ethnic groups/Assessment. It should be populated by MathBot tonight. Cross your fingers.--Ling.Nut 00:39, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, you're now the father of 295 Pages in category "Unassessed Ethnic groups articles"--Ling.Nut 10:32, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * PS I just downloaded AutoWikiBrowser. I'll take a look at it in the next few days and see if it can help with those 295 unassessed pages. --Ling.Nut 11:01, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I edited 16 pages using AWB (see above) results for example at Talk:African American. let me know if OK.--Ling.Nut 20:30, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:I.L._Peretz_postcard.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:I.L._Peretz_postcard.jpg. The image has been identified as not specifying the copyright status of the image, which is required by Wikipedia's policy on images. If you don't indicate the copyright status of the image on the image's description page, using an appropriate copyright tag, it may be deleted some time in the next seven days. If you have uploaded other images, please verify that you have provided copyright information for them as well.

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 * As my comments on the page make clear, the image was published circa 1910. The tag I gave says that there might be problems using this tag for post-1923 images; that presumably would not apply. - Jmabel | Talk 07:22, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Apparently resolved as PD-US. - Jmabel | Talk 17:47, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:Garden of Allah
Honestly, I don't have a citation, though I have heard from multiple sources that that was the case. For what it's worth, Big Yellow Taxi seems to corroborate the assertion. —Cuivi é nen 14:48, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * From the lyrics, it could be about the demolition of anything, the destruction of wilderness, you name it. I don't think this belongs in the article on the basis of uncitable rumor. - Jmabel | Talk 17:28, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

FYI
You may wish to take note and/or comment: Articles for deletion/Voyage Au Pays Des Nouveaux Gourous Yours, Smeelgova 17:20, 15 October 2006 (UTC).

Israelites
Hi Jmabel. Yes, a little weird setup. If he complies with WP:SOCK, I see no problem. On the content I'll comment at the article's talk page. Cheers. ←Humus sapiens ну? 08:48, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

The rise and development of the Haskalah, or Jewish enlightenment, was different in Western Europe and Eastern Europe. In the West, an attempt was made to strip Judaism of its national character, and label it merely a "religion." The motivation behind this was to defend recently acquired political rights; and in particular, the new idea that Jews were citizens of the European "states" in which they resided. In retrospect the giving of political rights to Western European Jewish residents was contingent on their ceasing to be Jews in the traditional sense; or in any sense at all. The “reform” movement, started in Germany, was an attempt to give religious imprimatur to these developments; including rejecting the re-establishment of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem; and thus naming synagogues “temples.” In the East, the Haskalah led to secular Jewish nationalism (e.g., Chaim Zhitlowsky's ideas); of which Zionism was just the most successful and consequential. However, even in the East, there were assimilationists who wanted to dissociate themselves from their heritage to gain approval of gentiles. The “Jew” that is the subject of antisemitism is an artificial construct of the Roman Catholic church; and has no connection to flesh and blood Jews. It was an attempt by Jews to distance themselves from the chimera of Christian theology that later morphed into racism, (invented to attack newly acquired Jewish political rights in Europe), that Jews were attempting, perhaps understandably, to distance themselves from. Even in America, there were references to “Hebrews” instead of “Jews”; in an effort to seek approbation from gentiles; and distance Jews from Christian mythology. (It should be noted that America’s, (i.e., the United States, but not Canada’s), offer of citizenship was genuine and not a quid pro quo.) So your reference to 20th century Hungary was out of context, unexplained, un-encyclopedic; and therefore, inappropriate. That is why I deleted it.--Lance talk 04:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Of course, in the East Jews generally weren't granted citizenship unless they converted. But what is all of this doing on my user talk page? If you want to argue the article, take it to the article talk page. - Jmabel | Talk 05:06, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I am copying it to the article talk page; delete it from here if you like.--Lance talk 05:18, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Piazzola's muse
Sorry I didn't see your message before on Piazzola's article at the Argentine notice board. The edit you mention makes some sence, and historical facts seam to be correct (see this). Now, regarding "the story was conceived by Piazzolla's then lover", I haven't been able to find a love connection, not a reference about she comming up with the idea, but it is still problable. Mariano (t/c) 10:07, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

User_talk:Ling.Nut
Jmabel,

Thank you for your comments on my talk page. I replied to them here. I hope I addressed your concerns satisfactorily, but if not, please let me know. Thanks! --Ling.Nut 18:29, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Replied again, same place. Thanks!--Ling.Nut 20:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Providing translations
That means I have to provide translations of corresponding portions of non-english citations ONLY and not whole article?I mean I am citing a news-story in Marathi and suppose I intend to use only a para of it into wiki article,then I have to provide translation of that Part i intend to use or the complete news-story? Mahawiki 06:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC) P.s:Sorry for my bad English!

Wikipedia: No Legal Threats

 * User Sm1969 has violated No legal threats numerous times, specifically on the Talk:Landmark Education page and the Articles for deletion/Voyage Au Pays Des Nouveaux Gourous page, and in comments that are also not in keeping with Please do not bite the newcomers. What is the specific policy here?  Does it have something to do with said editors either editing, or making legal threats, but not both?  Yours, Smeelgova 07:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC).


 * User:Smeelgova has posted link targets which infringe copyright now several times, and the destination link targets have been removed three times with message like "This video has been removed for violating terms of use" and "removed because of a problem with the item's contents." I have explained Wikipedia's libel policy to the users making libelous comments.  You can't go around calling something a "cult" just as I can't go around calling Smeelgova a child molester.  Sm1969 08:09, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Smeelgova, This topic does not interest me enough for me to really plunge in. As far as I can see, after skimming this, no legal threats have been made. Saying that you are posting and/or linking to material that violates copyright is perfectly legitimate and in this case appears accurate. Legal threats means if he implicitly of explicitly threatens to sue. If that has happened, point me to the edit.


 * I have *NOT* threatened to sue, and I am not the defamed party or the party whose copyright is (I assert) infringed. I am simply pointing out the issue.  I'll make sure it is polite. Sm1969 17:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

And Sm1969, if you have threatened to sue, then, yes, that rule No legal threats is pretty clear: either withdraw your threat to sue, or stop editing Wikipedia articles. You cannot simultaneously threaten to sue someone over article content and participate in editing, and you certainly should not be thrashing it out on the talk pages. I strongly suggest that you read No legal threats. - Jmabel | Talk 16:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

update legally threatened
Please see below as per User_talk:Jossi. I'm not sure what to do, how to report this, but I feel threatened by this user. Thanks for your help. Yours, Smeelgova 00:58, 18 October 2006 (UTC). ** Good, please also remove any information on how to get the copyright violating content from PirateBay and eMule. Initially, after a good 25 edits back and forth, you have realized that putting links to copyrighted material violates Wikipedia policy. I think the next logical step is to recognize that giving English language directions on how to get the copyright infringing material is just as bad. I have pointed you numerous times to the Wikipedia policy on external links where it talks about "contributory copyright infringement." By putting up a chronicle of the Internet story and how to get the video, you are effectively using Wikipedia to market copyrighted material--that's "contributory copyright infringement." Any reference to where this video was or how to get it needs to be taken down. I'm not a lawyer and I do not own the copyright and please don't construe this as a legal threat, but you need to wisen up real fast with this; interpret me as being polite and urgent;  I'd have no trouble seeing Landmark Education, from its history, serving you with a summons for this. Sm1969 00:53, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * My remarks are at User_talk:Sm1969. I would suggest that both of you would do well to draft up a list of your issues and seek some sort of mediation, because I don't see any likelihood that you will move things forward by yelling at each other. - Jmabel | Talk 01:18, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm done
From User Jossi's talk page:
 * You are not legally threatened. As you are aware, I am *NOT* the copyright holder, so I can NOT and will NOT take legal action.  I am simply pointing out to you the law and Wikipedia policy on Copyright and Contributory Copyright Infringement.   Sm1969 01:14, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It was NOT polite, and it sure felt like a threat. I thought Landmark Education taught people to acknowledge and be a stand for screening out their already always listening, and just listen to people.  Smeelgova 01:28, 18 October 2006 (UTC).
 * They teach us to be a stand and to be unreasonable. I'd like you to try on the possibility that you are not the victim of a legal threat, but rather someone who has compassion for you. Sm1969 01:33, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Sigh, I'M DONE. You have compassion for Landmark Education and Werner Erhard, but not for me.  When I am legally threatened by someone who represents an organization that has sued everything in its path with a pulse over the last 35 years - that is where I draw the line - that is where I stop.  You win, you were a stand for being unreasonable, and your legal threat does the trick nicely.  I'm done.  I am not a stand for being threatened like this.  Let someone else who is a stand for the truth getting out deal with it.  Smeelgova 01:43, 18 October 2006 (UTC).

The Good Book
Hag Sameach!

Do you think it is controversial to claim that Jews call their Tanakh "the Bible?" I don't. Do you think it is controversial to claim that "the Bible" refers only to the combined "Old Testament" and "New Testament," i.e. is a term that refers to the sacred scriptures of Christians (but not Jews)? I do, but this is precisely the claim Home Computer is making on the Bible talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bible#Current_layout

Feel free to weigh in. And please watch out for Home Computer's attempts to change the article. Slrubenstein  |  Talk 11:03, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

This allegation is untrue.. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Slrubenstein Peace --Home Computer 15:18, 18 October 2006 (UTC)