User talk:Jmadigan0408

2020 Atlantic 10 Men's Basketball Tournament
Please stop changing the tiebreaker situation with St. Bonaventure and Duquesne. I provided a direct reference to the Atlantic-10 press release showing that it was the Richmond results that broke the tie. I also confirmed directly with the A-10 that this is correct. (I will readily admit that the tiebreaker wording is confusing, and I told the A-10 that.) 17:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

The tiebreaker says when splitting teams' records against other teams that "0-1 is better than 0-2." The conference wrote it that way in the release because St. Bonaventure got blasted by Dayton while Duquesne played Dayton close twice, and they didn't want backlash from Duquesne fans because of it.
 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and it's inappropriate to base information added to it on speculation, especially when references to the contrary are available. The press release explicitly says how the tie was broken. The part of the tiebreaker rules you're citing begins with the clause "When arriving at another pair of tied teams," and the A-10 confirmed to me that the 1.000 or 0.000 difference applies indeed only applies when comparing to a group of tied teams, not a single team like Dayton. I am happy to discuss further, but for now I will revert this to the version supported by references. Please discuss here if you continue to object, as further reverts may be in violation of WP:3RR. Thanks. 03:30, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Alright. I'll keep it even though the tiebreakers are written poorly, which reflects badly on the league. How are normal fans going to understand that? Why incorporate a different set of rules when it's a group of teams as opposed to just one team? I agree that it's ridiculous that St. Bonaventure is 5th and Duquesne 6th because of each team's record against one of the best teams in league history and that the teams' records against Richmond should be the tiebreaker, but the tiebreakers are written (badly) that I wasn't the only one to see the 0-1/0-2 vs. Dayton concept as to why the teams are split that way. No one used the teams' records against Richmond until the conference put out that release on Saturday night. If ties are to be broken that way, the conference should scrap the 2-0/1-0 and 0-1/0-2 rule and only break ties when one team beat another while the other team didn't (as in the Richmond case here). But pardon me if I don't hold my breath on the A-10 being forward thinking, though.

I do apologize for being stubborn.
 * No worries. Completely agree that it's poorly written and they should fix it. It's confused people for years. Fortunately, it didn't actually matter which way they did it this year, since Bona wins the tiebreaker using either Dayton or Richmond. I suggested they clean up that language to make it clearer, but I'm not going to force the issue this week when they have so much going on. Maybe I'll pick up that torch again in the offseason. WildCowboy (talk) 19:27, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

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