User talk:Jmcw37/Archive 1

Karate wikilinks
Normally there should be only one wikilink in the inline text those removed are repeats from elsewhere --Nate1481(t/c) 15:54, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your recent welcome, Jmcw37. I removed the Wikipedia citations from the Karate article because it is my understanding that Wikipedia articles should not be used as references. I appreciate the comment about the edit wars; hopefully that kind of behaviour will be minimised once the Karate article is thoroughly revised and appropriately documented with regard to sources. Janggeom 14:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your note about the Wikipedia guidelines for Japanese names (surname-first name for pre-Meiji, otherwise first name-surname). Janggeom 14:59, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Program for Evaluating Complementary Medicine
Good work on the PEK article. As David.Mestel said on the talk page 12 months ago, "it is bristling with POV". Extracting the POV into the "critic" section is a good move. (I wish I'd thought of doing that!) One minor question: Why did you change the Level 3 headings to Level 2? Pdfpdf 07:56, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * A minor answer: I wanted to deemphasis the critic section - feel free to put back the old structure. By the way, the article is almost entirely extracts from the referenced document. The documentation (139404.pdf) is in German and French but with summary sections in English. I suspect that all of the English sections from the report are in the article.


 * I have been in Switzerland through the time of the review. I was disappointed that the alternative medicines made so little effort to justify their basis. I suspect that a good show would have been accept. jmcw 09:21, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

tai chi classics
Ah, no hard feelings. It was about time someone created the article! So you're in Prague currently? My good friend Steffen Silvis is the arts editor of the Post. VanTucky (talk) 01:17, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Kendo spam
Normally I would have left it on the kendo article, it but had already been removed and had also been added to others where the relevance was questionable, external link on kendo are not needed on Japanese martial arts or Sport in Japan where it was also added. --Nate1481(t/c) 11:30, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * From their contribs, all that users edits have been adding links to that domain so going 2 double check & report it. --Nate1481(t/c) 12:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

PEK
Thanks. Well spotted. ("Creeping POV" is a very good description for it!) And thanks for your good manners in taking the time to bring it to my attention and explain your rationale. Most appreciated. I have taken a look - A "diff" between the Aug 27 version and the current version shows them to be identical; your "hacking" seems to have done the required job! Best Wishes, Pdfpdf 05:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * They're at it again. I'm afraid I've lost patience with them. See Talk:Program for Evaluating Complementary Medicine. Regards, Pdfpdf 11:58, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

85.3.158.94, 85.3.37.158 and 85.1.238.203 are all from the same dial-in internet provider. It could be one user. jmcw 14:29, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think there is any real doubt that it's the same person. I was just being polite! Pdfpdf 14:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah ha! Our anonymous "friend" has replied!! At length!!! (See Talk:Program for Evaluating Complementary Medicine) Pdfpdf 01:22, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I've replied to him/her. Could I ask you to have a look at my reply please? Thanks, Pdfpdf 00:24, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Tō'on-ryū
Hi John. Yeah, there's a problem here. As far as I can tell, 東恩流 should be pronounced とうおんりゅう, which (using revised Hepburn) transliterates to Tōonryū. Revised Hepburn provides no rules for the use of hyphens, they are to be used at the writer's discretion to improve clarity where needed (but used sparingly). In the WP:WPMA, we've decided that a hyphen should always precede "ryū", so that brings the transliteration to Tōon-ryū. However, revised Hepburn does provide for the use of an apostrophe, and in only a single application, which is when ん is followed by a vowel or "y". An apostrophe is not used to separate syllables (although a hyphen could be), so you're left with either Tōon-ryū, or Tō-on-ryū. I prefer the former. Hope that helps, Bradford44 12:19, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks - I'll rename the article. jmcw 09:01, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Okuno Ryu
Hi! I gather the subject of the above article is not notable. (I found one good reference but "0" corroboration of that article. I get a strong feeling that this will not disappear with a prod. You have knowledge in this area. What do you suggest? Thanks! --Stormbay 17:43, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Shaggy Dogs and Vacations of finite length

 * I really did enjoy your "I'm sorry, but ..." shaggy dog commentary. jmcw 10:47, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Good. ("We aim to please!"). Pdfpdf 10:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Pdfpdf 14:21, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Cape Breton fiddle music
Nice work. I removed the cleanup tag. It was likely placed there due to the paragraph you removed. Strobilus 22:35, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

my rfa
  If you voted in my RFA... ...thank you for your participation. I withdrew with 83 supports, 42 opposes, and 8 neutrals. Your kind words and constructive criticism are very much appreciated. I look forward to using the knowledge I have accrued through the process to better the project. I would like to give special thanks to Tim Vickers and Wikidudeman for their co-nominations. Thank you again and, best regards. Van Tucky  Talk  This RFA thanks was inspired by Lara ❤ Love's 

PEK (Dec07)
Well done. I was trying to work out how to respond cooly and calmly, when I wasn't feeling either cool or calm. (I made the mistake of reading his talk page.) Thanks. Pdfpdf (talk) 11:15, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * ... have you peeked at Talk:Homeopathy?

Goodness gracious me! What a can of worms. I had no idea the topic was such a mine field. Having sampled some of those "conversations", I'm surprised we haven't experienced more "spillage" onto the PEK page. I suppose that's probably something we may have to look forward to!! Merry Christmas, Pdfpdf (talk) 02:52, 22 December 2007 (UTC)


 * As a member of the PEK shovel brigade, I wish you also a Merry and Peaceful Christmas! jmcw (talk) 10:09, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

(So you're advising that I should keep away from WP for a few days ... Pdfpdf (talk) 10:13, 22 December 2007 (UTC))

Lol! Just as long as it isn't classed as an "idiot grin". As they say, "You can choose your friends, but not your family." Pdfpdf (talk) 10:19, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Nice pictures!
People put links to some very nice pictures on your page. P.S. Happy New Year Pdfpdf (talk) 02:32, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Kitai...
I can't be sure, but I think they mean to use the word katai (固い). Bradford44 (talk) 21:09, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Chan Tai San
As it happens, I did NOT write the article in question. He just happens to be my (deceased) teacher and I feel the need to protect his article from what appears to be unwarranted "edits". IN FACT, the article in question was written by the OWNER of http://www.nykungfu.com Not sure what the WIKI policy is?? (really?), but one would assume the person who wrote the original article (and owns the rights to the work) has the ability to post it, no? Nysanda (talk) 00:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Ke?po
I can see your reasoning, but it would be harder for him to argue it if you use a more reliable source, have their been any articles on Parker or a mention of him in a ke?po article in say, Black belt magazine? --Nate1481(t/c) 09:40, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If he's around at the moment it might be worth pointing him at WP:OWN and seeing his reaction, if he starts pontificating then it will likely end with admin intervention. I have added it to the martial arts project talk page to see if it will get more people interested as this is a general issue. --Nate1481(t/c) 12:34, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi
I felt like being social, but not publicly, but I see you haven't enabled email. Mine is enabled, so if you do want to be social, don't want to enable email, you can email me, and I can reply. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:02, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Easter
> Did you find any this year? Only in the shops. We used to have an extended family Easter Sunday BBQ lunch, and "seed" the garden for the kids, but with the youngest now aged 12, and the eldest cousin now aged 23, these days we just have the Sunday BBQ. Pdfpdf (talk) 02:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

April First
Hello? Is there anybody out there? Pdfpdf (talk) 13:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Good. Am about halfway through reading it, and am enjoying it! Pdfpdf (talk) 22:39, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Did you see this link? Pdfpdf (talk) 22:43, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Sadly, those links have now turned red. Perhaps I should have made a copy ... Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 01:18, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I wonder how many other copies were made. (And given that there are probably hundreds, I wonder why they create the expectation that it is necessary to make a copy.) Pdfpdf (talk) 10:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, someone else "moved" the page there.

Changing subject, but only slightly, have you been following Talk:Foster's Lager? Pdfpdf (talk) 23:50, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks! It has to be said that only 6k are main space & 1-2k of those are AWB or fixing my own mistakes... but I really do spend too much time on here. --Nate1481(t/c) 12:46, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Re:Kombu
Hi! Read your message. What I tried to write is you should put a strip of dried kombu in cold water, not in hot or boild water, then heat it and wait till it boils. That's the way to make dashi. I am a Japanese and my English is terrible, so please feel free to copy edit my post as you are an en-native editor. Best regards and happy editing. Oda Mari (talk) 16:11, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Wonderful! Thank you very much for the editing kombu. Again, sorry for my clumsy English. Best regards. Oda Mari (talk) 15:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Warning
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appeared to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. 220.253.4.36 (talk) 17:56, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Welsh Rarebit
Hi, yes, if you look at the discussion page it is pretty well understood that simply putting cheese on bread and toasting it does not constitute a Welsh rarebit. That should go under a separate article for cheese on toast. Furthermore saying that this method is "in current popular use" is very confusing and misleading, especially referring to the use of the name in the US. It's a sauce, not a piece of cheese on bread.OwenSaunders (talk) 14:49, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi, it seens we've been cross-editing. I agree the sentence needed some tweaking and I just made another change to make it more clear. None of the recipes for Welsh rabbit I've seen have involved sticking it under a broiler as it is a sauce and is already melted.OwenSaunders (talk) 15:29, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, I've written an extensive new article for this which is currently located on my talk page. Would be interested in any feedback. OwenSaunders (talk) 02:10, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

MA Project notability
Thanks for the spelling fix, I was also wondering what you made of the text as I wrote or edited a lot of it and want to make sure it's not just my own views. --Nate1481(t/c) 10:43, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I was sending a new user there as part of a welcome, so I though I should read it myself. As guidelines go, it is good. I think that we accept much lower than academic standards for references ( even History Channel). A hierarchy of preferred sources ( books, magazines, web, television, intestines of a chicken ) would be good material for a project page too. Better a History Channel reference than none at all. jmcw (talk) 11:52, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Merge
Use mergeto, Mergefrom then add your reasons on the talk page. Hope that helps. --Nate1481(t/c) 15:07, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

goju ryu name
Hi. You wrote "In 1937, officials of the Dai Nippon Butokukai asked Chojun Miyagi’s top student, Jin’an Shinzato as to what school of martial arts he practiced." Please, check the date. According to Higaonna Morio, it is may 5, 1930 (p. 67, The History of Karate). Alfredo elejalde (talk) 04:54, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Senso Ryū Aikijūjutsu
If you intended for Senso Ryū Aikijūjutsu to be speedy-deleted as blatant copyright infringement, please provide a URL with the speedy deletion tag. I Googled several passages from the article to see if I could turn up the infringement, and I was unsuccessful, so I declined the speedy. SchuminWeb (Talk) 11:00, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Your message
Thanks for the message - the speedy tag has been removed here, and I am inclined to agree with SchuminWeb that the url is probably a copy of Wikipedia (the formatting gives it away) rather than the other way around. Incidentally, I don't know if you're aware, but when using db-copyvio there's an additional parameter ("url=XXX") that you can use to show the url - if you have a look at the page when you placed the tag here, you'll see the url field of the db box is empty. If you'd typed in it would have shown the infringing url on the page, rather than having it hidden away in the edit summary. Just a thought! GBT/C 11:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Go on, try it...you might like it! I see from the talk page there's some argybargy about dates, etc. - I'll have a bit more of a look into it all. GBT/C 11:53, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't bother prodding it (the IP will, pounds to pennies, just remove the tag) - take it straight to AFD. I would speedy it, but to be honest there isn't really a speedy category that it would fit into without a great deal of shoe-horning! GBT/C 12:00, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Dates
I think that the date you are referring to re the copyvio by User:99.132.177.200 is not the article date - it's the join date of that editor. The article date is at the bottom of the page. I posted a message to that user re breach of GFDL at User talk:99.132.177.200 instead. It's a copyvio either way! -- David from Downunder (talk) 13:18, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I believe I have the dates correct. He updated the article yesterday evening so that the bulletin board would look like a copy of wiki. I made a copy of the original material on the bulletin board: if you would like to see it, I could email it to you. jmcw (talk) 14:11, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes please. --David from Downunder (talk) 18:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Kata information and organization
I am sending you this information because you are a recent contributor in the goju ryu article. Please check:

Kata information and organization

All the editors of this article appreciate your help Alfredo elejalde (talk) 15:56, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

ARE YOU OK?
korea?USA?.FUNNY
 * I agree with your edit.
 * and watch out, user 210.231.14.222 is a possibly sock. Manacpowers (talk) 13:36, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Pabopa = 210.231.14.222. he violated 3rr rule, and he deleted sourced edit.  Manacpowers (talk) 14:13, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:BITE
Remember to assume good faith. Also, BITE does not override article deletion procedures, and as for "not been through a proper process of criticism" I don't even know what to say to you. That's kind of the whole point of AfD.  Asenine   11:45, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

about the page Nihon Koden Shindo Ryu
Hello: I made a search and you can saw in the results, mostly in spanish, that there are many reference about Hiroyuki Hamada and the style that he created (Nihon koden Shindo ryu) please, see the main page of the style at creator and other pages like example —Preceding unsigned comment added by MarcosAbel (talk • contribs) 23:41, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Help with Oom Yung Doe
Thanks for your help. The user Mx08 appears to be determined to eliminate negative stuff about this McDojo along with his supposed "unacceptable" sources. He's deleted everything from the Rick Ross Freedom of mind site http://www.rickross.com/groups/chung.html citing WP:BLP. I'm kind of new here and don't know exactly how to proceed so help would be appreciated. Cjim63 (talk) 01:21, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Aikido Edit
You reversed my edit on the aikido page. After many years of practice I have always found that people call him O-sensei. I see your point about editing a reference. I hadn't noticed that it was a reference. It seems to reference some encyclopedia. An encyclopedia is often put together by non-experts, and as such is often quantatively correct, but often qualatively incorrect. You undid my edit, and so that implied you disagree. How would you suggest I correct this piece of incorrect information? The phrase "some aikidoka call him O-sensei" is incorrect and the phrase "most aikidoka call him O-sensei" is correct (I'm sure you'll agree). Should I delete the reference? I would appreciate your thoughts. Declan Davis (talk) 13:23, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Flying Rainbow et.al.
I can see the sense in a merge and with the sources it makes sence, my 1st pass it read like a group of self supporting spam, and had no idea if I would get any thing useful from searching (wouldn't know where to start on many CMAs) looking better now though. --Nate1481 11:22, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

ASK
Thanks for the good advice and all your hard work on martial arts. It is a pity many editors seem to think this is one dojo when it is a small but very high quality federation. I will try to remember to sign in future.--Ninja Shewolf (talk) 20:30, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Social call
Hi there. How's things? Life seems a bit silly at the moment. (Perhaps I should use email.) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:16, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Moni Aizik
see Talk:Moni_Aizik

Yuval Aran, Lieutenant Israeli Defense Force —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmmotp (talk • contribs) 00:07, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year!
It may still be last year where you are, but it's next year here! Happy New Year! May the GFC have minimal negative impact upon you. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:24, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

More fun with Oom Yung Doe
I've recently elicited some specific criticisms of the article from Subverdor (talk). Since you've made some helpful comments & edits in the past, I'd really like your input on the issues described here. I realize that you do a lot of other things, but I'd really appreciate your input on this bolus of proposed edits. Thanks! Cjim63 (talk) 06:21, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Life is speeding along
Re: this. Congratulations! Pdfpdf (talk) 11:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Speeding along at a snails pace! By the way, want to jump the fence with me and go editing at ? I am thinking of translating FA articles into simple english articles. My imagination is that it would be like wikipedia three years ago: more fun, fewer silly arguments. What do you think? jmcw (talk) 11:44, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that it sounds good, and it sounds like fun.
 * (Sadly, the timing is not ideal - I've really ramped down my WP activity since 1/1/2009. I have moved my focus and environment at work in an attempt to work with a group of real people trying to achieve something useful, rather than a collection of individuals interested only in furthering their own careers at my expense.)
 * Never-the-less, I'd be interested to give it a go. Where do you think is a good place to start? Pdfpdf (talk) 12:05, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Being an IT guy, I am looking for a tool to help write simple english. I am looking for a spelling correction program that will flag full english words as misspelled in simple english. OpenOffice has something but I am used to the Aspell program. I will keep you informed! jmcw (talk) 12:17, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll be listening.
 * Meanwhile, this doesn't look very "simple". Also, it's full of errors of fact. Gotta admit I'm a bit confused ... Pdfpdf (talk) 12:23, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, it positively reeks of POV. Am I missing something? Pdfpdf (talk) 12:25, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I have heard that it was easier editing for wiki several years ago because every article was badly written. 'Cerebral' as a simple english word, indeed! You have your work ahead of you, sir! jmcw (talk) 13:29, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Errrrrr. Thanks? Pdfpdf (talk) 07:02, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * P.S. What is the definition of a "full english word"? (More than two syllables?) Pdfpdf (talk) 07:02, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * basic english 850 words English_language
 * simple english 850 words + 1000 words more
 * full english 600,000 words (Oxford English Dictionary 2)

Bullshido
Isn't pointing someone with a pov like that @ bs a little cruel :) I feel I should at least warn him that it's low on the moderation front... --Nate1481 17:08, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It is a great place to try to push a point of view - no one will demand references or citations. I like BS but I prefer our more scholarly approach. jmcw (talk) 23:00, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Alphorn page
Thanks for fluffing up my edits to the Alphorn page - a clear improvement. Ralflott (talk) 15:46, 6 February 2009 (UTC)RalfLott

Life is strange - Wiki-life is wierd ...
As you were fundamental in the instigation of it, I feel the need to tell you a story which I, personally, find rather bemusing. As you would no-doubt guess, I have Foster's Lager on my watchlist. Hence, I noticed your edit. For reasons undefined, (I was probably procrastinating), when I saw "(Undid revision 275260758 by 204.174.129.204 (talk))", I decided to click on "talk", and saw this. As you may (or may not) know, I get quickly irritated by this stupid wiki-lack-of-system where vandals get seemingly unlimited "final" warnings, yet nothing happens. So, I did this, this and this. When some admin removed the AIV posting, but nothing seemed to have happened, I asked (in an unusually-politely-for-me manner) "What's going on?" I got a reply, and then 20mins later, this!! As it's "all your fault", I guess I need to say "Thank you!" Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:30, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Truth: the Ways of Wiki are strange and mysterious. Congratulations on your new responsibility<g>. jmcw (talk) 10:22, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, if I choose to ignore it, then there's no responsibility! ;-)
 * For some reason I have the feeling that it's a cross between that Chinese curse ("May you live in interesting times") and that Greek paradox ("'All statements made by Greeks are false', said the Greek gentleman.")
 * I hope all is well with you and yours; by virtue of the fact you replied, I see you survived yet another antipodean winter. How goes the "simple" adventure? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:59, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Two additions: This one to the "Life is weird" department. This one to the "Life can be amusing and weird" department. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:54, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Others: By-the-way: If you hover your cursor over the picture, the pop-up box is often amusing; The pedant in me likes this one; [http://xkcd.com/557/ Yeah. C'est la vie?]; Twilight Zone material; Possibly "You had to be there"?; A bit random Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:54, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Oom Yung Doe wikiquette alert
I mentioned it on Talk:Oom_Yung_Doe, but the guidelines say I should mention on your talk page also: I've posted to QP:WQA about you because of the restoration of the FMC to the Oom Yung Doe article without further discussion. Subverdor (talk) 22:17, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Haragei
Hi! I saw your name a lot on karate article. Please take a look at this article and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan. As far as I know, the word is not used in Japanese martial arts. What do you think about my proposal of merge? Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 15:26, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the comment at Wikiproject Japan. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 13:39, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Request for your comment again
Hi again! Please take a look at this. Have you ever heard of the martial art? Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 06:09, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi! I have not heard of this martial art - I have heard of User:Jennylen. I have found her to have forceful and marginal opinions on areas of Japanese culture. See Talk:Aikido/Archive_5. jmcw (talk) 11:54, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the comment. I wait for a while, then...probably nominate the article as original research and the two other religion-related articles as non-notable for AfD. BTW, I noticed we've talked before on Kombu. Forgetful of me! If you have question about Japanese language, don't hesitate to ask me. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 15:32, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Ryu-te
(in re. your quesiton on my talk page)

There don't seem to be many sources available on Ryu-te. I asked my instructor, and the only ones he mentioned are the ones already cited on the page. I added mention of Dillman's books, but he's not part of Ryu-te, and so they're only somewhat relevant.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sderose (talk • contribs) 17:59, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


 * See WikiProject_Martial_arts: the article says nothing about practitioners or number or dojos or long history. How can we know this is not a dojo in someone's garage<g>? I am afraid this article will be proposed for deletion: see WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Martial_arts for the process. jmcw (talk) 20:26, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Oom Yung Doe Black - White proposal
I am sure you remember a while ago when you made this proposal and got booed down - especially by me. However, I'd like to start working towards that. There are a few more sources now, so maybe it is realistic. I wonder if you wouldn't be willing to look at the citations and suggesting which ones might be usable.
 * To attempt to sort out the primary references, I would suggest a simple test: you would be certainly allowed to visit a class. Would you see the doubted item/action in that class? For example, if the primary source says something about training with herb-filled bags, you could visited a class and perhaps see people training with bags of spices: I would accept this primary source (even without visiting the class: I am somewhat gullible). If the primary source says something about being 2000 years old, you could never see this in a class visit: I would want to delete this primary source (I am not that gullible<g>). jmcw (talk) 19:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


 * A wise set of principles. Unfortunately the interpretation and implementation of such a set of principles is going to be the hard part.Cjim63 (talk) 03:15, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I would also like to ask what can be done about the (multiple) court cases. Obviously they did happen; however, what would be need to be done in order to allow them to be used? Is there any way to upload them in an electronic format? For example, could something like Wikisource be used to upload documents? Would they be considered reliable if I uploaded them?

Thanks for your help, Cjim63 (talk) 19:56, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have looked around and it seems that you would be allowed to upload court records to Commons (see First_steps). As an example of an article using uploaded court records, see Sylvia_Browne. jmcw (talk) 19:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Excellent. I'm going to work on this.Cjim63 (talk) 03:15, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I noticed that you put up a short-lived notability box up at the top of the Oom Yung Doe page. If your objective was to begin to make a move to eliminate some of the mountains of primary sourced information there, I certainly support the move. As it is now I feel like the page is pretty bloated with primary source information and tiny points of potential controversy.Cjim63 (talk) 19:55, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Edit count
Just shows I spend WAY to much time here :) --Nate1481 12:54, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Spring Fever
Well, it's Autumn here, so I can't justify using the "Spring Fever" explanation.

Wasn't it someone like P T Barnum who said something like "you'll never go broke overestimating the stupidity of the general public?" - (I must track that down.) - It seems highly appropriate for your current experiences.

As for this, I am indebted to you for flaging it - without your help, it would have passed me by unnoticed. My first reaction was: "O.M.G. Get a life!". Then I realised the complete inappropriateness of that phrase in these circumstances! (Never-the-less, that still amused me.) I'm afraid I'm left speechless for an appropriate response. (The best I can come up with include: "Some people have FAR too much spare time". OMG Get a life! (No, we discarded that one.) "And I thought that I was a 'details' person!".)

Ho hum. What did I say last conversation? "Life is strange. Wikilife is weird!"

Anyway, I think I am doing well, thanks. I've decided to become excessively polite and non-agressive (but remain persistent), and instead of getting abuse, the agressive just give up, and the reasonable become supportive (and sometimes even apologetic.) Example: "Sorry if I came across as flippant or dismissive. You seem like a reasonable person. I'm just used to people taking it personally and becoming abusive, and I was bracing myself for a personal attack (that never came)."

Ho hum. Remind me please John, why do I spend so much time on WP? Best wishes!! Pdfpdf (talk) 14:06, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Well quite obviously, I have not "seen everything"! Pdfpdf (talk) 10:54, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I thought that sort of thing happened Only In America!. (Oh dear! - I will now go look for the album cover and restore the image that was in my memory.) Pdfpdf (talk) 11:28, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Silly season?
I thought the "silly season" was in December. Maybe not! Would you like me to fill your inbox with examples, or would you prefer I didn't? Pdfpdf (talk) 13:56, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I am game<g>. The day after the mouse incident, there was in Texas a tornado inside a football arena. I am not sure if that would be unusual enough to make a mention<g>. jmcw (talk) 14:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not fair. No matter how outrageous I think something is, you always seem to be able to come up with something even more so! What is it about Switzerland? Pdfpdf (talk) 14:40, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If one lives in Switzerland and are not Swiss, it is useful to have a profound sense of humour and a delight in the odd. Maybe it is true everywhere, I just noticed it in Switzerland<g>. jmcw (talk) 14:52, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * "Maybe it is true everywhere" - I suspect you are correct. Pdfpdf (talk) 15:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

footwear
I'm very impressed that you found it (no, the article, not the foorwear), and rather surprised you haven't contributed to its rescue! And I'm saddened that the Articles for deletion/Abandoned footwear discussion is so serious!

To tell the truth, I'm starting to lose interest in the self-importance of WP editors - most particularly, my own! No one (with the notable exception of you) seems to have a sense of humour ... Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:37, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * "Concentrate on laughing at the absurd - there is more than enough to go around." - Hmmmm. Me thinks that could be exceptionally good advice. And, Yes indeed, there does seem "more than enough to go around"! Pdfpdf (talk) 14:34, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

people
Have you had the acquaintance of the gentleman User_talk:Colonel_Warden? jmcw (talk) 15:44, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No.
 * (Comment withheld - ("You can't put your foot in your mouth if you don't open it".)).
 * Perhaps you should email me? Pdfpdf (talk) 13:43, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Quick note
Just read your userpage — thought I'd tell you, "You are welcome to persue my sandbox!" should probably be "You are welcome to peruse my sandbox!" (although I think that is probably the wrong word too, as 'to peruse' means 'to read through'). Thanks. :) <font face="Trebuchet MS">— <font color="#5A3696">neuro <font color="#5A3696">(talk) 19:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Reviews
I find it fascinating that you find a brief AEMMA summary a reliable source, but a review published in a magazine as "non-notable". As this published review is one of the very, very few published sources dealing with Brown's HEMA work, I am curious why you are so quick to discard it. The Jade Knight (talk) 10:04, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) AEMMA is a primary source and it supports a statement about the author. A third-party source would be preferred.
 * 2) The ezine  makes no statements about its editorial policy. It is not specialised in martial arts. The reviewer Al Martin produces no google hits. The article is written in the tone of a blog:
 * "maybe if you had arms the size of tree trunks, this would work."
 * "...might work on a weak man with no fight training, but against a skilled fighter, no way.""
 * "I havent seen anything so unrealistic since a "Drunken Kung Fu" practitioner attempted to beat a Kyokushin karate black belt."
 * This article needs better-quality references, not more poor-quality references. jmcw (talk) 10:23, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * At the moment, short of his book, that is, in fact, the sole print reference we have for him. While it's certainly not an ideal source, something published in a printed magazine (while it certainly wouldn't pass muster in a peer-reviewed academic publication) is just about the best we have.  I would love to see something published in an academic magazine with reference to Brown, but, frankly, I think he's simply not notable enough (unlike John Clements, who has been noted much more widely in print, but still lacks an article at Wikipedia, presumably for not being notable enough).  The Jade Knight (talk) 10:48, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * BTW, you may like to review this, as every single source on that except for his own book fails the criteria mentioned, with possibly the exception of the magazine article I included and the short AEMMA "bio". The Jade Knight (talk) 11:07, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You might also wish to note that over at stick fighting, there is not a single organization listed at the "see also" section. Furthermore, linking to a biography but representing it as "English fighting systems" is misleading.  Additionally, if by "stick fighting" you mean quarterstaff combatives, you might like to notice that the article in question arleady includes a link to the quarterstaff page.  The Jade Knight (talk) 11:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)\
 * Agreed: the link would be more in context on the quarterstaff page. jmcw (talk) 11:49, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Alphorn page - thanks again
Nice work - much appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.90.215.31 (talk) 09:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Alphorn page - virtuosi
Hi. You removed Prof. Peggy Demers 3 times from the list of virtuosi. The first time, there was a link to her faculty page at Sam Houston University. http://music.shsu.edu/faculty/demers.php It does not specifically mention alphorn, but when combined with other publicly-available information, it shows her to be a professional horn player and alphorn specialist (see below).

The second was a link to a nonprofit music site featuring her as an alphorn instructor. This was removed as advertising. http://www.einprosit.us/Midwest%20Alphorn%20Retreat%202009.htm  (Just out of curiosity, why is this link objectionable as advertising instead of acceptable as education?)

Finally, a naked entry listing her name only was removed as not having sufficient support.

Peggy does show up in Google searches. Here's a page from Prof. Douglas Hill, horn prof, U Wisconsin listing Peggy as an "alphorn specialist" - http://www.music.wisc.edu/media/HillHornDept.pdf

Here's a mention of her doctoral thesis: DeMers, Peggy A. “Orchestra Imitation of the Alphorn from Haydn to Mahler” and Alphorn choir. “Alphorn Ensemble music written for 4-8 Alphorns.,” International Horn Society, University of Michigan, Kalamazoo, Michigan, June 2001. https://www.shsu.edu/faculty/research/01/artscipaper.html

More?

Thanks. Ralflott (talk) 01:33, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * http://music.shsu.edu/faculty/demers.php does not mention alphorn. http://www.einprosit.us/Midwest%20Alphorn%20Retreat%202009.htm could be taken as for personal gain and does not establish notability. http://www.music.wisc.edu/media/HillHornDept.pdf was not referenced in the article.


 * Her doctoral thesis https://www.shsu.edu/faculty/research/01/artscipaper.html is mentioned here for the first time: this is quite acceptable: an academic paper, not for personal gain - I will add her and this reference to the alphorn article. jmcw (talk) 07:43, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

How much wood would a Woodchuck chuck? (If a Woodchuck could chuck wood.)
Now, there was some reason why I was here. (My God!! What's Alzheimers going to be like?)

Long pause.

Oh yes! Thought you might find this vaguely amusing ... Pdfpdf (talk) 13:11, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

P.S. A Woodchuck would chuck all the wood that a Woodchuck could chuck. (If a Woodchuck could chuck wood ... )
 * 'how much wood' is one of my favorite tongue twisters for Czech speakers (because they don't have woodchucks in CZ and don't have a clue what they are.) What's Alzheimers going to be like? We will start arguing about our own edit corrections from the last week. jmcw (talk) 10:49, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I just noticed the "friend request". (How long has that been sitting there?) I don't go there much, but when I do, I enjoy looking at the pictures! (Your valley looks idyllic!) Pdfpdf (talk) 03:46, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Besten Dank! Ralflott (talk) 12:21, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Kokondo Karate & Jukido Jujitsu Wikipedia Page
Jmcw37:

Good evening. I wanted to let you know that I responded to some of your recent edits to the Kokondo page. I would like us to work together to address some of the issues with acceptable, yet reasonable, references. In a good faith effort I didn't "undo" some of your recent changes - although I have honest reservations about them. The deletion of the page is something that, in my view, is not warranted and should not happen. Let us work together to ensure it stays up and is the highest quality page it can be. Thanks.Jukidoka (talk) 21:38, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Good evening! The recent edits I have made involve adding tags about the quality of the references in the article. When the article claims that "Arel ... authored the rules for the first North American Karate Championships", there must be a good quality reference, both to support this specific claim and to support the general notability of the article. jmcw (talk) 22:25, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that it would be best to find an article to provide support to the ACCURACY of the authorship of the North American Karate Championships. I am working on that currently, as I mentioned - this happened before a time where everything was on the internet. Additionally, your recent deletions are from third party articles that add notability to the article. Some of these pages may no longer be up by these newspaper publications - but at one point they were and a reader could verify that. If we are working to add further notability, I think these articles,even if inactive links, provide a historical link to major publications in which the reader could look for. I would recommend undoing some of a few of the recent edits. Additionally, I don't believe that the "quality" tags are appropriate. They may not be optimal - but AGAIN some of the information is dated and we are lucky to have what we do. I would recommend a more constructive role approach. Jukidoka (talk) 03:52, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Ashida Kim (7th nomination)
Since you participated in Articles for deletion/Ashida Kim (6th nomination), which was closed as no consensus and later relisted after a DRV discussion, you may be interested in Articles for deletion/Ashida Kim (7th nomination). Cunard (talk) 08:19, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
The AFD process seems to be making progress on this age-old topic. I hope the wikpedians do not run out of energy or lose their determination. Waiting with bated breath: Articles for deletion/Bullshido.net (3rd nomination). jmcw (talk) 10:25, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

karate
What do you mean with "return referenced material"? What you deleted is a summary of what is said below in Karate, as described in WP:LEAD. --Espoo (talk) 23:05, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The reference (Draeger) does not give as motivation 'nationalism' or 'for political reasons'. These motivations would need a reference. jmcw (talk) 23:19, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of USA College binge drinking
I have nominated USA College binge drinking, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/USA College binge drinking. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Literature geek |  T@1k?  13:20, 15 December 2009 (UTC)-- Literature geek  |  T@1k?  13:20, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

USA College Binge Drinking
I agree. I am the author of the addition; it is my first attempt to help with Wikipedia and I'm still on the learning curve. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Psychologist56 (talk • contribs) 22:49, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Goju ryu
Hi! Please see this edit. Now the article has no EL. See also this thread too. What do you think? Oda Mari (talk) 04:56, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

PEK - again
The natives are getting restless ...,. Cheers, and Happy New Year! Pdfpdf (talk) 02:30, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Was away to Prague for the New Years - have a Happy New Year also! I will check the citation for good luck<g>. Cheers! jmcw (talk) 21:39, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Note,
I just thought you should know, after some research, I found some interesting information, and as you are involved, I want to make sure that you know, just in case my reply is deleted by the blockee or some other user. Here is my reply. Yak was the one that added the copyrighted line, not other users as they belay. I shall be posting this message to all involved users.— <font color="Green">Dæ <font color="Blue">dαlus <font color="Green">Contribs 02:17, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry
I have tools installed to quickly revert vandalism and still had your talk page on my watch list and my laptop is rather touch sensitive and accidently reverted an addition to your talk page. I quickly undid the revert so no harm done, just if you are wondering. :)-- Literature geek |  T@1k?  02:31, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Comments
"I think the people here now understand quantity .ne. quality." - Actually John, I disgree with you on that. But I don't want the matter to any further divert the conversation from the subject in hand. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 01:32, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


 * How interesting. People are starting to think before they type, and are explaining themselves rather than chanting mantras. Perhaps I should start AGF? Pdfpdf (talk) 13:33, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


 * So. Are you still alive with no fatal injuries? Pdfpdf (talk) 10:45, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Requests for adminship/Jmcw37
A significant number of admins did not pass RfA at the first attempt - take a look: Successful_requests_for_adminship/2009. One of the things that people look for in an admin is good judgement. And being able to judge that a RfA is not going to succeed, and therefore withdrawing the nomination, is something that has stood previous admins in good stead. The decision is yours, but I would recommend withdrawing with a short statement thanking people for their input. <font face="Script MT" color="#1111AA" size="2">SilkTork  * YES! 15:24, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * At 9/32/9, I realize that Jimbo would have to appear for my RFA to succeed<g>. I value the people who are making userful, specific suggestions where I might gain experience for a future RFA. I realize I have disturbed the ritual of RFA by requesting no questions and low stress - I hope some of the people who have reacted to the offence can get beyond it and look at my three years and say something I could use. Thank you for your concern and help. jmcw (talk) 23:43, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * RfA is not the place to ask people to comment on your editing. RfA is for the community to assess if you display the judgement and experience required for the admin tools. When people want feedback on their editing they use Editor review. <font face="Script MT" color="#1111AA" size="2">SilkTork  * YES! 12:52, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * We are in agreement. I am looking for comments about my worthiness as an admin not as an editor. jmcw (talk) 20:32, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

<BR> I like what I saw in you at your RfA, and I am sure that if you take the praise given in the supports and the feedback from the opposes to heart you will become an admin. My advice to you is to give it 3-6 months before trying again and to take the feedback given from the opposes as WP:AGF. We need more admins and I hope someday to see you wielding the mop. <B>-- RP459 </B> Talk/Contributions 16:22, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Im sorry things didnt go well for you in terms of tallies. But i think theres alot of valuable information given to you. With the recommendations in mind i think you next RFA in time will be quite succesful. Happy editing good luck. Ottawa4ever (talk) 15:14, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

SEKU
Thanks for your note on removing a tag from Shotokan of England Karate Union. I take your point. I thought that enough expansion had happened since it was tagged to justify this. I find it very frustrating that web searches turn up nothing in the way of newspaper articles on what is a large and high quality organisation in Britain. I know this from personal experience as I have a gold medal for kata that I won at one of SEKU's annual open tournaments down south in Portsmouth some years ago.--Ninja Shewolf (talk) 14:08, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Just some background
I know you're looking at me as a big deletionist and it's true that I tend to vote delete more than keep. But I've also saved articles that were up for AfD and ones that were pending it. And much of my time over the past few weeks have been spent saving an article that was a train wreck (Aircraft in fiction). Shortly after we started cleaning it up, it was nominated for deletion. It was a single sentence leade and little more than a list of poorly sourced or completely unsourced entries about Transformers and Gobots. It's a work in progress, but I'd say now it is hugely improved and actually informative. We bought some time I also have the very first "easter egg" awarded from the incubator project for the first article to go through their saving process. I'm working on an unsourced MA article right now (Wen-Do) that is unsourced and, upon first reading sounds like an ad. But when I started searching, I found some good sources. Everything isn't always what it looks like on the surface. Niteshift36 (talk) 14:31, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm happy that we have all agreed to 'hunt the fluff' together. jmcw (talk) 15:32, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Not sure if you caught this......
In the Tactical Hapkido related articles.....the main editor is User:Tmartialaa. One of the school links he added is: tmartialaa.com. Coincidence? LOL. Niteshift36 (talk)

List of taekwondo grandmasters
Thanks for your note, jmcw; I appreciate it. While I am writing to you, I would like to applaud your constructive work in WPMA recently. If you feel like doing some critical review or collaborative work, please feel welcome to take a look at some of the karate articles I've been working on recently. I would value your input if you have the time and inclination. Thanks. Janggeom (talk) 02:24, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Waiting
Mostly, yes, I waited. Those 2 were just such blatant no-brainers that I couldn't resist. Sorry. Niteshift36 (talk) 00:30, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect BLP tagging
Please be sure the article is about a living person when tagging with unreferencedBLP. In this case, the article was clearly not about a living person as it included a death date on the first line (in the first sentence, in fact) and was not in the Category:Living people. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Unifight
Hello, I modified Unifight section (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unifight), I hope it is all right now. Please tell me if you need other things, if it is all right please remove the adnotations in head of article. Forgive my bag english, I usually speak french) Simone Nicolescot (talk) 22:05, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for help on this article. What kind of citations could I add in Unifight technique section ? I don't see, really. The only document I have about technique is Unifight rules, in .pdf format. I will add a link to Downloads page on Unifight European Federation, I hope it will be ok. Simone Nicolescot (talk) 22:20, 3 March 2010 (UT

Please check, I add more references than I knew know)) Simone Nicolescot (talk) 23:30, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Could you please check Unifight section (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unifight), I add references (newspapers, press agency) and if it is all right now please remove the adnotations in head of article. Thank you, Simone Nicolescot (talk) 18:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help. If I can help and improve some other articles, please let me know. Best regards. Simone Nicolescot (talk) 23:50, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Could you please help again with Unifight section ? I do not understand what happend, another user put some tags on this section, like: It is the second time that Nate1481 put this tags. The firs time, I just undo and wrote him that notability has already be verified, but he put this tags again. This is not an advert, I try to be neutral in description. Please, check again and eventually remove this tags if, as I think, is everithing all right. Thank you very much, --Simone Nicolescot (talk) 13:00, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I wrote to Nate1481 the following message and remove tags from Unifight section :

Hello, you put some tags on Unifight section, like : This article has multiple issues. Please help improve the article or discuss these issues on the talk page.

* It needs additional references or sources for verification. Tagged since March 2010. * It is in a list format that may be better presented using prose. Tagged since March 2010. * Its tone or style may not be appropriate for Wikipedia. Tagged since March 2010. * It may need to be wikified to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. Tagged since March 2010.

Ambox scales.svg This article has been nominated to be checked for its neutrality. Discussion of this nomination can be found on the talk page. (March 2010)

I will, once again, remove this tags. It is a neutral description, not an advert at all. I am not agree to see this tags on this page, and I am available for dicussion on the discussion page, but not to see this tags without any explanation and discussion. At least, explain please the problem, I do not understand what exactely you do not agree. Please, if you want to improve you are welcome, but don′t put any tags without a discussion. Thank tou, --Simone Nicolescot (talk) 13:29, 23 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simone Nicolescot (talk • contribs)

Of course I am upsat, it was a lot of work for me to write this article in english. I speak french usually. Ok, I will let for the moment the tags about sources, style and others, but I already remove the tag for neutrality. Please, belive me, I am surely the most informed person in unifight subject on Wikipedia, and I am curious if someone else will find other sources about this subject. We can not find other sources because they not exist still, unifight is very young. Please, could you see what other styl problems had unifight section ? If you can help me, I will be grateful. Thank you, --Simone Nicolescot (talk) 15:11, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you))) --Simone Nicolescot (talk) 15:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Hello, I give you explanations about unifight's origin on the discussion page. Please check and if it is ok, please remove the tag. Thank you, --Simone Nicolescot (talk) 12:32, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar
I concur with Nate; thank you for your contributions in the Article Review, which have helped improve Wikipedia significantly. Janggeom (talk) 15:27, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Is there a Black Belt for the Martial Arts Barnstar? If so, I nominate JMCW for the award. I marked up the Moni Aizik article with lots of citation needed, verification needed, dead link tags and JMCW has come through to clean out the problems. I feel like a WWE Tag team star! Thank you, JMCW, for jumping into the ring -- I mean dojo -- to clean out the opposition. --S. Rich (talk) 23:48, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks - the Moni Aizik article is so lame that it is a Wikipedia challenge to me to keep it alive<g>. jmcw (talk) 01:29, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Reverting edits on Oom Yung Doe article
Hi Jmcw37.

You've been reverting my edits to Oom Yung Doe without discussing the reversion. You keep claiming that the issue has been discussed on the talk page, but the extent of the discussion on the talk page has been me repeatedly asking for discussion (and a short note from you two months ago explaining that the section is reliably sourced, which is correct but not sufficient to include it in the article). Even if you do believe (for example) that any reliably sourced material which is at all related to the article subject should be included without discussion, good faith would be well served by you explaining your reasoning on the talk page instead of just repeatedly reverting.

I'm planning to report this to WP:ANEW if you keep reverting without discussion. Please read Edit_war: "Faced with disagreement, editors should discuss rather than fight. They should calmly seek third party input if the matter cannot be resolved, and should accept they cannot agree and seek dispute resolution rather than disrupt the article with edits they already know will be opposed."

Subverdor (talk) 03:25, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't see how Robert Ludden is related to the notability of Oom Yung Doe or its founder. Does your response on my talk page mean that you're planning to continue reverting without discussion my edits to the Robert Ludden section, or no?

Subverdor (talk) 13:00, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I am leaving tomorrow for a weekend training. I will not be on Wiki for a few days. jmcw (talk) 13:29, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay. I'm not sure why you can't use the time between now and tomorrow to simply indicate "yes" or "no" in response to my question, but as long as you're not going to, I do appreciate you letting me know that :-).


 * See you when you get back.


 * Subverdor (talk) 13:46, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I will be using the time on WikiProject_Martial_arts/Article_Review. jmcw (talk) 13:48, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Hello again. There's been no new discussion, so I'm removing the section again. Once again, as required by WP policy, please discuss rather than simply reverting this time.

Subverdor (talk) 13:19, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Notability (sports)
Don't know if you saw this on WT:WPMA I've added a quick comment on the talk page here --Natet/c 09:20, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Still married (very nice), busy teaching - economy notwithstanding. I'll be happy to look in at the article review. I've been away long enough to feel like a beginner though! Cheers, --Bradeos Graphon Βραδέως Γράφων (talk) 05:14, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

For caring about other users and about Wikipedia

 * gosh, (shuffling my feet, looking away). Thanks! jmcw (talk) 14:30, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of John McSweeney (martial artist)
An editor has nominated one or more articles which you have created or worked on, for deletion. The nominated article is John McSweeney (martial artist). We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also Notability and "What Wikipedia is not").

Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion(s) by adding your comments to Articles for deletion/John McSweeney (martial artist) (2nd nomination). Please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ).

You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate.

Please note: This is an automatic notification by a bot. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 01:03, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Rollback privilege
Hello Jmcw37, I noticed that you asked Gwen Gale to grant me the rollback privilege; I was not expecting this, but thank you for your nomination. I will certainly try to make use of it to help keep things in good order. Janggeom (talk) 14:54, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

O.K. but i don't think he won a medal? I am still learning how to edit Wikipedie. DN —Preceding unsigned comment added by S048linari (talk • contribs) 10:43, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Kenyu Chinen
Hello Jmcw37, I saw your comment on Kenyu Chinen in the WPMA deletion sorting list. I appreciate your sentiment, but I am unclear as to whether you were just making a general comment or if you were expressing the desire that the article might be kept. I started the article on Teruo Chinen a couple of months ago (presumably the two masters are related) and, while I did recommend submitting Kenyu Chinen's article for AfD, I would be willing to help you try to improve it if you (a subject expert) think he has enough 'real life' notability to warrant it. Janggeom (talk) 13:29, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * It was a general comment: I am frustrated by the lack of sources in the niche area of Martial Arts. The Post-War generation of Okinawan teachers have no notable sources so they are not allowed in wikipedia but animated panda bears are well-sourced and GA. I would not have known about Kenyu Chinen without this article: the next readers will not know. jmcw (talk) 14:10, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Was it Nate1481 who posted something like 'a field in which secrecy is paramount (i.e., the martial arts) does not make finding reliable sources easy'? Regrettably, we can only work with what we have—but perhaps more can be done than we initially think. With some research, I seem to have saved some articles over the past few months that others thought should be deleted. Perhaps the Kenyu Chinen article could be saved. If you would be prepared to flag it for rescue and put a little work into it, I would be prepared to help improve the article as best I can. Janggeom (talk) 15:41, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

re: Brandon Lee
The essay you quoted on notability seems to be for articles existence only, and has nothing to do with categories. Is this the essay you've based all your category removals on? Nymf hideliho! 11:43, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I see your point, and I suppose I agree with it. I don't agree with removing Jet Li from Category:Chinese wushu practitioners, however, as he has competed and performed on a professional/national level, winning 15 gold medals. Thoughts? Nymf hideliho! 12:28, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

If its sourced why remove it
Laura Schlessinger clearly has sourced on her article from Newsweek [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Schlessinger#cite_note-19 ] she is a black belt in Karate so why remove her from Category:American karateka Dwanyewest (talk) 07:12, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


 * As per my conversations with User_talk:Nymf & User_talk:Ost316 since June6 when I made the change, I agree that the Schlessinger article with sourced claim to MA experience should have the category that I had removed. I will continue in this manner: if it is a simple claim "ABC has a blue belt in Chop Suey Ryu" with no reference, I will remove the category that links it to the MA category tree. If it is a sourceable claim to MA experience "Actor XYZ won Golden Gloves as a youth", I will leave the category linking to MA. jmcw (talk)

William Zabka also has a third person source in his wikipedia article to indicate he is a real life practitioner of the martial arts. Dwanyewest (talk) 07:12, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You have added a reference after I had removed the category. With a reference added, the article should have the category I had removed when it had no reference. jmcw (talk)

NZ King Salmon
Hi There,

Just wondering what I need to do to kept NZ king Salmon from being deleted. I have read all the relevant sections and belive the article complies. It is diffiantly not advertising, its too dry, unbias and factual to be that. Also, NZ King Salmon, being the majority producer of farmed king salmon in the World is important enough to be on Wiki.

So, your help would be mcuh appreciated.

Ryan —Preceding unsigned comment added by RepublikNZ (talk • contribs) 03:36, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Strange people who can't communicate. HELP!!
What-the-... !! This guy doesn't seem to know how to construct a sentence, or answer a question. What do you suggest? Pdfpdf (talk) 14:04, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, you could tell him a long story in your calming style. He could see what sentences look like. The short story didn't work and it gave you no satisfaction<g>. jmcw (talk) 14:13, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * ROTFLMAO! (Still too busy laughing to think up a sensible answer.) Later. Pdfpdf (talk) 14:25, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the wisest thing to do is go to bed. Thanks John. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:33, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

OK. I've taken your advice. 4,000 characters of "a long story in your calming style" attempted. Pdfpdf (talk) 14:07, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * (However,  it  doesn't seem to be giving me any satisfaction, either ... Pdfpdf (talk) 14:07, 23 June 2010 (UTC))
 * Sometimes, going to bed is the best solution to wiki issues. jmcw (talk) 14:10, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Back away from that horse, put that stick down and go read The Last Word. jmcw (talk) 14:58, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh dear John. Your comment reminds me of one of those joke emails full of pictures of attractive females wearing T-shirts with "interesting" captions. The particular caption that comes to mind is: "You are a very naughty boy. Go to my room." Pdfpdf (talk) 15:08, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Sikaran
Hey Bro!

Replied on my talk page and updated the Sikaran page with stuff additional stuff I found around the net. I'm from the Philippines and my college friend played Sikaran. Having seen a bit of Tae Kwon Do and Karate, I found the stuff he did a little different and weird.

Found a Brit Fight Quest-type reality show Last Man Standing (UK TV series) on Youtube with the Sikaran episode and added it to the references. You'll see that the stuff in the province is a bit different from the stuff you see in Gyms taught overseas which are pretty Karatecized. You can also see from the farmer-folk spectators that it's something they've been used to watching for years and a game indigenous to their region.

Object404 (talk) 21:37, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

NZ King Salmon
For some reason I am unable to leave a message on User_talk:NawlinWiki's page to ask himn to restore my article. Dont know whats going on here, but there's no leave a new message lnik.

Are you able to have a look into this.

cheers

RepublikNZ (talk) 23:32, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Summer Vacation?
It's mid-winter here. It's cold (but not by your standards, I imagine). And, at long last, we've acually had some significant amounts of rain. So tell me about your vacation ... (Being a married man, I expect you quickly recognise the "no-win-situation" in that invitation?) Welcome back! Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 15:05, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

MA Article Review
Since it appears this task is winding down, I wanted to thank you for your efforts on this project. I hope that you'll at least put up for AfD the remaining articles where that was the recommendation. I'm sure there are more articles that should be ridded, but I think I'm going to have to cut back on the WP time and perhaps do some more research on unsourced articles. Thanks again. Papaursa (talk) 20:38, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it was a pleasure working together with all the people to eliminate the worst of our MA articles. I would suggest to everyone to continue marking articles with the 'notability' tag - we could organize a periodic 'spring cleaning'. And I will finish the AFD work! jmcw (talk) 07:31, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * So you're thinking we'll make a pass through all the notability tagged articles in the spring? That sounds like a good idea.  I do hope you nominate some of those articles from the review, because I hate being the only "bad" guy who keeps putting up articles for AfD. Papaursa (talk) 20:53, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Your not a bad guy in this one, I'll try to do some next time I get a block of online time. --Natet/c 21:17, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

24k!
It reminds me of a VERY bad and VERY old joke that you're welcome to delete:
 * Samson & Delila had decided to start a family, but weren't having any success.
 * So Delila went to the doctor to get checked out, and discovered everything was OK.
 * She reported this to Samson, and suggested that he should get checked out. So he arranged an appointment.
 * Later that day Delila looked out the window, and noticed Samson strutting down the street wearing flash new clothes.
 * Eventually Samson got home and strutted into their house.
 * "Hey Samson!", Delila said. "What's up with you?"
 * "Hush woman" he replied. "I'm IM-PO-TENT!!"

Pdfpdf (talk) 12:23, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

(groan)

congrats of the 24k anyway! !!!! jmcw (talk) 12:41, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Adding a quote from a student testimonial
Hi jmcw37,
 * I'd like to add one positive quote from a student in the section of the Oom Yung Doe page about the cost of training in order to balance the one negative comment and create a NPOV for that section. I've found a decent quote in a student testimonial that's published on one of our Websites.  I understand that it would be more desirable to have a third-party reference but so far I haven't found anything.  I'd like to get your thoughts on adding the quote with a footnote reference, but also including a "non-primary source needed" tag too.
 * Thank you, HTML75 (talk) 23:27, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I think adding a primary source with the tag is a good idea - it lets a reader see the level of the reference (and hence the article). This article has too many "non-primary source needed" tags. jmcw (talk) 01:54, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I agree, the article has too many non-primary source needed tags.  Hopefully in the future more of this type of information will become public and the references can be updated. HTML75 (talk) 21:48, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

List of current UFC fighters
Yeah, I erased my comment and changed it back after taking a closer look at how the categories actually break down, so no problem.Thaddeus Venture (talk) 19:47, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

No problem, I already realized and reverted it immediately. I have just been playing with the categories on the two MMA wikipedia pages I oversee, trying to maximize their visibility, but I realized the redundancy and corrected it.Thaddeus Venture (talk) 20:04, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Spirit Combat
Hi, I am the person who created the wikiarticle for Spirit Combat. I have a couple of questions I'de like to ask you if you would be so kind as to help me a bit.

1. I am adding as much third.party referencing as I can, even though it may be hard at times. Nevertheless i am a 100% sure that the topic (spirit combat) is of a much more "general notability" material then a ton of wikipedia articles out there.

2. I would like to add two particular pictures to the article i)the spirit combat logo ii) a picture of Soke Brian Dossett. What can I do to achieve this...?

Thanks a LOT for your time and help Andrei A A (talk) 18:08, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree the Gyokko Ryu page needs reliable third party citations, however it is in such dire shape that primary source citations are also needed. The citations I am providing are solid and necessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.23.197.39 (talk) 21:18, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Arthur McBride
Hi there - with regards to your recent revert of my removal, do you know if the lyrics are PD? I don't know if they're are PD or not, given that they may have been written after January 1, 1923, and may therefore be copyrighted. My edit summary should have been more clear: they may be a copyright violation, and also fail the guidelines in the manual of style and WP:NOT. Given the obvious policy problems, and the fact that these may not be PD, would you now acquiesce to my removal of the text? Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry (talk) 23:59, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, sorry for the delay: Holidays, etc. I am not an expert at copyright law but I think that the lyrics by Bob Dylan, Planxty and Paul Brady could very well be copyrighted. The lyrics from John Ord (1930) could also be copyrighted. The lyrics from Patrick Weston Joyce (1840) is very likely PD: if the others are derived from this, well, I am not sure. Do you have any ideas on how to resolve this? jmcw (talk) 19:35, 27 December 2010 (UTC)