User talk:Jmweinstock

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Speedy deletion nomination of Moviepilot


A tag has been placed on Moviepilot, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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October 2014
Welcome to Wikipedia. A page you recently created, Moviepilot, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines for new pages, so it will be removed shortly (if it hasn't been already). Please use the sandbox for any tests, and consider using the Article Wizard. For more information about creating articles, you may want to read Your first article. You may also want to read our introduction page to learn more about contributing. Thank you. VeryCrocker (talk) 16:28, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Please refrain from introducing inappropriate pages, such as Moviepilot, to Wikipedia, as doing so is not in accordance with our policies. For more information about creating articles, you may want to read Your first article; you might also consider using the Article Wizard. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. --VeryCrocker (talk) 16:46, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Moviepilot


A tag has been placed on Moviepilot, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. VeryCrocker (talk) 16:45, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Explanation of speedy deletion nominations
Hi there, since you appear to be confused about why Moviepilot keeps getting deleted, allow me to explain! The article has been submitted four times, and each time it has been deleted under speedy delete criteria G11: "Unambiguous advertising or promotion". So, clearly it's problematic to other editors and the admins who keep deleting it.

I haven't seen the previous incarnations of the article, but assuming you've actually attempted to improve the article instead of resubmit it verbatim, here's what I still see that's problematic:
 * "Moviepilot is the world’s fastest-growing online film community" Unsourced. Who says? Who determines "fastest-growing"? "connecting millions of fans" Unsourced. Vague marketing puff.
 * "With a strategic understanding of the social media landscape and the movie-going fanbase, Moviepilot has become a leading influencer on film trends and box office performance" Says who? Who decided the company has a "strategic understanding"? What's the metric for determining that? Sounds like subjective fluff to me.
 * "connecting film fans with the movies they love" This is advertising copy not encyclopedic content. You wouldn't say "The Walt Disney Corporation produces animated films connecting heartwarming tales with the children who love them." That's not a fact, that's PR fluff.
 * "Moviepilot is dedicated to creating the world’s best platform" "Best platform" is a subjective goal and Moviepilot dedication to achieving that subjective goal, is not encyclopedic. We should know what it does, not what it hopes to do.
 * "Easy-to-use" is subjective and promotional. Not our job to describe what is easy to use unless that aspect of the subject is somehow notable. For example, early escalator designs were unpopular because they were dangerous until someone (Otis?) figured out how to make them safer and easier to use. That would be worth including if and only if that evaluation came from reliable sources.
 * And this: "Moviepilot bridges the gap between the often elusive entertainment industry and the diehard fan base always hungry for more access." Elusive entertainment industry? Diehard fan base? Hungry for more access?  What?

So, there's too much puff, the article is entirely unsourced, and I'm still not sure what the site is--a fan-contributed movie website/social networking platform? That should be clear in the lead. Also, some other things to know: The notability criteria for companies can be found here: Notability (organizations and companies). These criteria will help you determine if the website is notable per Wikipedia's standards. Wikipedia's general notability guideline says that subjects are typically considered notable if they have received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. That would mean newspaper articles about the company, magazine articles about the company, web news articles about the company, and not just passing mentions, but actual content ABOUT the company or site. Companies are not automatically notable simply because they get a lot of hits.

So what do you do now? What I would recommend is that you create your article via Articles for Creation. This will give you ample time to get it up to speed before submitting it for approval. This will reduce the likelihood that the article is deleted quickly, and any problems that still exist can be fixed and resubmitted. Please use secondary, independent sources. You can use a primary source (the company's About Us page, for example) as the source of uncontroversial information like when the company was founded, but you can't use a primary source to support claims of success or popularity or anything controversial. Please also note that if you have a conflict of interest, which I suspect you might, you are strongly discouraged from writing or contributing to the article. Hope this all helps. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:39, 2 October 2014 (UTC)


 * This makes a lot of sense.


 * We'll have someone else take a crack at this and keep it completely factual without any of the fluff.


 * Thanks for getting back to me and appreciate the explanation.


 * Best,
 * Josh


 * You're welcome. I know there's a lot to keep in mind, but that's what makes for an article that can stick around. I appreciate that you seem open-minded to constructive criticism. If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me at my talk page. You might also benefit from reading Your First Article, which covers some of what I've said, but perhaps in simpler language. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:30, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Now blocked from creating a Moviepilot page
Hi there,

I've asked an outside source who has no affiliation with Moviepilot to create the official "Moviepilot" Wikipedia page, with absolutely no promotion or agenda. She's been working on creating this from scratch, and was trying to post today. But she's having trouble and it seems to be that the "Moviepilot" page is blocked from being created by anyone other than "administrator." She put in a review request with "Alexf" who last deleted the page, and got a message saying it could take several weeks or a month.

Any suggestions for how we can get this page unblocked so that a neutral party can post? If you'd like, I can also share the text she wrote so you can post for yourself and/or see what needs to be amended.

As of right now, a mock page for Moviepilot seems to have been created that's somewhat accurate but highly disorganized and not a great representation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:OrdinLegends/MoviePilot

Appreciate your help! Josh
 * Hi Josh, if you have general questions for any user, you should create a new section like the one you just created, place the template underneath the section header, and then ask your question. If you want to "ping" or direct your question at a specific user, please use the template , as in "Hi, , I had a question, what does NPOV mean?" I only happened to see your comment because your talk page was on my watchlist.  Now onto your question: The Articles for Creation process can be a slow one, although it's not always a slow process.  So Alex is correct that it could take several weeks for the article to go live. But since Wikipedia has no deadline, this shouldn't be a major issue, particularly if the article has been experiencing problems in the past. The editor should focus on neutrality until the article goes live. And really, if they are having problems, they should contact Alexf directly via his talk page.  Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:23, 8 October 2014 (UTC)