User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus/Archive 10

Tech News: 2016-23
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Your GA nomination of El Laco
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Tech News: 2016-24
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DYK nomination of El Laco
Hello! Your submission of El Laco at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 20:40, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Incapillo
Another good volcano article, Jo-Jo Eumerus. I just have a few questions:

1) In the second paragraph in the section Incapillo, you use the word "shallow" as a verb:


 * At the latitude of Incapillo, the Nazca plate subducting beneath the South America plate abruptly shallows towards the south.

This is followed by the gerund form (-ing form used as a noun), "shallowing". I could guess what the verb means, but I think a reader shouldn't have to guess. Can you link this to another article or section of an article so a reader can read more to understand the term?

2) In the third paragraph in the Incapillo section, you have several ranges. When you use "from", I'm pretty sure it should be followed by "to": from X to Y. If you don't want to use those two words, then you can use an en-dash, but I believe it should be without "from". Let me know which you prefer and I can change it.  Would you use an en-dash in a number range following the word "from", or would you use only either "from X to Y" or just "X–"Y (without "from")? I read MOS regarding number formatting carefully and could only find discussion of from...to regarding date ranges.

– Corinne (talk) 04:12, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Regarding "from" and "to", I just looked at the History section, and it looks great. I'm a big fan of the convert template, which is used heavily in this section. It uses the "X to Y" phrasing nicely. The MOS advice on ranges is scattered throughout WP:MOSNUM, but this section is most relevant to this discussion. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:41, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * "Shallow" in this case means "becomes less steep", "becomes more shallow". Would that be a better formulation? As for "from"-"to" in ranges, I generally use the convert template - not sure what the stylistically preferred method here is.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:16, 13 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply, Jo-Jo Eumerus. I'm just thinking of an average reader here. For ease of discussion, I'm going to copy the sentence where "shallow" is used:


 * At the latitude of Incapillo, the Nazca plate subducting beneath the South America plate abruptly shallows towards the south.


 * If "shallow" (as a verb) is not something discussed in another geology article, then perhaps it would be all right to define it right here:


 * At the latitude of Incapillo, the Nazca plate subducting beneath the South America plate abruptly shallows – becomes less steep – towards the south.


 * Another alternative would be to be slightly more precise and say that the angle of the Nazca plate as it subducts (or is subducting) beneath the South American plate becomes abruptly shallower towards the south:


 * At the latitude of Incapillo, the angle of the Nazca plate as it subducts beneath the South American plate becomes abruptly shallower towards the south.


 * or:


 * At the latitude of Incapillo, the angle of subduction of the Nazca plate as it moves below the South American plate becomes abruptly shallower towards the south.


 * – Corinne (talk) 19:27, 13 June 2016 (UTC)


 * The angle version is probably the best.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:15, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * O.K., but there are two versions with the word "angle" in them. Which do you prefer? – Corinne (talk) 03:16, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * {replyto|Corinne}} Second one is probably better.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:30, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

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DYK for El Laco
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Tech News: 2016-25
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DYK for Jotabeche
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Your GA nomination of Incapillo
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Incapillo you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sainsf -- Sainsf (talk) 07:21, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Incapillo
The article Incapillo you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Incapillo for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sainsf -- Sainsf (talk) 10:01, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Kari-Kari (caldera)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Jom-Bolok volcanic field
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Could you check what was the intended end of the sentence
 * ... and it propagated by a process named sheet inflation where

There is nothing after the word 'where' ! Shenme (talk) 02:09, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Expanded the sentence a little.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 06:49, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Kimsachata (Canchis)
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Incapillo DYK nomination
Congratulations on receiving approval for the DYK for Incapillo, Jo-Jo Eumerus. I spotted a typo in it, but I thought it would be better if you fixed it. It says "sill" where I believe it should be "still". – Corinne (talk) 20:00, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Fixed, thanks! Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:05, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Taryatu-Chulutu
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Tech News: 2016-26
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 * The ORES service has now moved to a new location. This should make it easier to use ORES. The ORES review service is now available as a beta feature on Wikidata and Persian Wikipedia. ORES is an artificial intelligence system for Wikimedia wikis to help editors.
 * The order of wikis in collapsed cross-wiki notifications was different than when the list was expanded. This is now fixed.
 * A new category for tracking pages with math errors was added:    :.

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 * The Wikimedia Etherpad crashed on June 23. Some edits done that day have been lost. They can be found at etherpad-restore.wikimedia.org for another few days.

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 * The Collaboration team at the Wikimedia Foundation will look at developing better tools for edit review. This is because research suggests we scare away newcomers who want to help.
 * An e-mail from the Editing Department explains the technical work that is planned and being researched for the future. Items include better wikitext and visual editing, prompts for edits, language improvements, annotations, and meta-data separation.
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Your GA nomination of Irruputuncu
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Irruputuncu you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sainsf -- Sainsf (talk) 08:00, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Good luck
 Hello Jo-Jo Eumerus, Samtar has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
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RfA
There seems incredibly strong support on the optional poll that you should be an administrator. If you are up for it, I can start the nomination form. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  07:25, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * You can do so, but you may want to make an in-depth review beforehand. RfAs often fail because of some overlooked detail.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:31, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I've had a pretty thorough look over the last couple of hundred contributions (both live and deleted). Things that made me stop, but were okay include File:Cosmic Bat.jpg which was deleted, but only because you requested it be moved to Commons, only 53 AfDs (though I think that's enough to clearly show you understand deletion policy), KNEEMO Initial Training Network (you correctly tagged this for G12, reverted the tagger per policy, an admin deleted it and it was recreated), but otherwise you seem to pass User:Kudpung/RfA criteria. The one concern I have is, exactly how well do you know copyright rules? Can you point to an FFD discussion or something where people disagreed with you but you stood your ground and it turns out you were right? I see you had a disagreement with about file tags not too long ago, what was that all about? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:42, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The main strength I have in terms of copyright is to know how to spot files with iffy copyright status (see recent CSD and FFD nominations, also Files for discussion/2016 February 29, and file deletion nominations on Commons, but I doubt they'd matter much in an enwiki RfA...) as well as well as spotting files that don't reach the Threshold of originality (e.g Files for discussion/2016 January 24, Files for discussion/2015 December 19, Files for discussion/2016 January 27, Files for discussion/2016 April 10 and Files for discussion/2016 January 29). In non-file terms I also work in WP:SCV - when the bot is on, that is, which it recently hasn't been. For the more basic stuff, I am familiar with what makes images non-free or free and what the former kind of images typically requires to stay on, hence I answer queries on WP:MCQ and the former WP:NFCC. I'll admit though that I don't know about every little detail of copyright law, hence the use of "some" on the WP:ORCP page.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 12:52, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Okay. I have put together a draft RfA at Requests for adminship/Jo-Jo Eumerus. As you probably know, you'll need to answer the three stock questions presented there. Questions 1 and 2 should be fairly straightforward, for Question 3 I found being honest without going into details was the best answer (indeed, anyone who writes "I haven't had any conflicts" automatically makes me think of opposing). I personally would like a co-nominator to sign off on this, so that the voting public can judge your suitability from two independent views. (who passed RfA with about 97% support) has said she's happy to put something together. Once we have everything in place, and all the statements and answers have been double-checked, I will transclude it, at which point the RfA will become advertised to everyone.

The other advice I can give you now for RfA is once it is live, you only need to check it about once a day for questions, and I think a 24-hour turnaround on those is acceptable. I typed up my answers in batches every day, and then read the question and answer aloud to my other half, made a few changes, and then posted them. You will get questions on copyright, and be expected to answer them accurately, or perhaps to say "I don't know, it depends / expert opinions differ". Don't look at the voting sections, if an oppose vote is duff, there will be plenty of people supplying counter-arguments without you needing to lift a finger. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  15:24, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Jo-Jo! We haven't "met", but I have looked you over pretty thoroughly at Ritchie's suggestion, and I will be happy to co-nominate you when/as/if you decide to go for it. I certainly agree with Ritchie's advice to draft your answers offline, and review them carefully before posting them. I would add to Ritchie's comment about timing, that you should choose your time to transclude the nomination; pick a time period when you can be reliably available to respond to it every day for seven days. And maybe respond more than once on the first day; some people get impatient if early questions are not answered promptly. I believe the usual tradition is that the nominator (Ritchie) creates the nomination page, and the candidate (you) transclude it when you are ready, but I have also seen it transcluded by the nominator. One other thought: you do not have email enabled right now. Some people like to see that in administrators, but it's not a requirement so that's your choice. But I have found it is really helpful if you can communicate with your nominators by email, both before and during the RFA process. So if you prefer not to make your email publicly available, you might send emails to me and Ritchie, so that we can establish communication that way. --MelanieN (talk) 17:27, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll probably take any action tomorrow; this evening is a bit too late here in Switzerland. As for the email issue, my email address is not wholly private for family related reasons, so that may be a problem - I think some people have the expectation of EmailUser replies being wholly or in part private.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:04, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I still need to add my co-nom, and I'd like to see your answers to the "three questions" before I do; will that work out for you? About the email, no problem. Admins in particular have to be very sure no one else has access to their account (because of the tools attached to it) or their email. What some people do is to establish a g-mail account that they only use for wikipedia purposes. Also, most of us establish a second, non-admin account (mine is "MelanieN alt") to use whenever we are not on our home computer - so that the account with the tools attached is only used in a secure environment. --MelanieN (talk) 21:55, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll answer these questions tomorrow morning (Swiss time). The alt account issue will need some more consideration - I don't ever log in on devices I don't fully own.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:07, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, well, I'll add my co-nom now so as not to hold you up. Good luck to you! --MelanieN (talk) 22:29, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, and in addition to the three questions, remember to say you accept the nomination! --MelanieN (talk) 22:39, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

All right, you are off and running! While the RfA is running, you must not notify any individuals that you are running, that would be canvassing. But you can add this template to your userpage or talkpage if you wish: (filling in your own name where appropriate). --MelanieN (talk) 14:34, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Irruputuncu
The article Irruputuncu you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Irruputuncu for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sainsf -- Sainsf (talk) 18:21, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Incapillo
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Exeter City FC.svg
Hi,

I reverted my changes to the Exeter City crest because I had changed it to a more accurate version without understanding how the copyright rules work on Wikipedia. I am slightly confused because the template stating that previous versions violated copyright rules was added before I reverted the file back to the original version uploaded in 2012.

Also, would it be alright for me to upload a low-resolution raster image of the crest and have that used on the club's Wikipedia page instead of the svg version?

Thanks, GarethTJennings (talk) 17:10, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Greetings. I added the template because having unused versions of a non-free image violates policy. It isn't a problem specifically with your version of the crest, just general cleanup of unused non-free images. As for raster vs. SVG, while using rasters instead of SVGs has been discussed in the past for non-free logos we don't have any policy preferences so as long as general WP:NFCC policy is complied with. I personally would not bother.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:17, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying. So now that I've reverted back to original version, I assume the versions I uploaded on June 29th will be deleted when the time comes, which is what I'd prefer because those are probably too similar to the real thing and I'd rather not get in trouble for that. GarethTJennings (talk) 17:23, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * With respect to logos, actually it's often useful to have them very similar (but at reduced size) to the originals so as not to misrepresent the logo.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:46, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

My question
Thank you for a thoughtful answer. Did you click on the image? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:51, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Um - no. Did it just now.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:59, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * 2012 history, a content editor blocked without even a warning, for months to come, went on to write the featured article of 30 June that year. - One case without talk is at ARCA (but I didn't want to ask about about an ongoing thing), too many others came before, very often just from a misunderstanding. - Good luck! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Sara Juli image
Hello Jo-Jo,

I see from the recent admin proposals that you know your way around potential file copyright issues. I, however, haven't got a clue, but think that an image on Sara Juli may be a copy from the article's subject's own. E.g. http://bellyflopmag.com/reviews/sara-juli-the-money-conversation says that the image is Sara Juli's. What, if anything, could I do to see if it is copyrighted?

Tia Icarusgeek (talk) 15:04, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think we can reliably tell, but the previous publication raises some doubt. I've tagged the Commons file for discussion.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:15, 1 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks Icarusgeek (talk) 16:47, 1 July 2016 (UTC)