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Please undelete image used in undeleted article
Hi Jo-Jo Eumerus, Please undelete File:American Nitrox Divers International (logo).png which is now needed again as the article American Nitrox Divers International in which it was used has been undeleted. Cheers, &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 16:03, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Done, but since it's a non-free file I've edited your post here so that it isn't transcluded here, where it would violate WP:NFCC.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:56, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Good move, I didn't think of that. Thanks, &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 18:16, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Recreate deleted page
hello! I was going to improve on my deleted page by writing in my own words but it says to contact you first? I already have the draft and want to publish it. please let me know. thank you!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Informsac (talk • contribs) 00:40, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * If you have completely new text (not just a rewording - close paraphrasing is still copyright infringement) you can simply copy it back in. I presume that this fellow meets the notability criteria at WP:BIO, yes? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:41, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes to both questions! Thanks for the tips. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Informsac (talk • contribs) 17:03, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

EFM link
Hi Jo-Jo Eumerus, it appears at Special:Diff/732105872 has affected the appearance of how edit filter managers appears at Special:ListGroupRights. The page should normally not have a link, per MediaWiki:Group-autoreviewer, "MediaWiki:Group-xxxx", etc. Please consider undoing the edit. — Andy W.  ( talk  · ctb) 19:06, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Commented on talk page there.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:07, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

How may I help
Hello Jo-Jo Eumerus. Thanks again for your image review of WK9 FAC. I'm willing to help you on one article - would you need a review or help with some article? Of course, there are fields alien to me, but I will try based on the available information online. starship.paint ~  KO   13:07, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Um, currently I have only Taftan and Laguna del Maule up for copyediting, the latter in the hope to bring it up in GAN. A few comments on the prose and writing would probably be warranted, especially from the point of view of someone who is not an expert in the subject matter.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 13:29, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I take it that should be Laguna del Maule (volcano), Cheers, &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 16:16, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, and the other one should be Taftan volcano.Jo-Jo Eumerus (tal k, contributions) 17:58, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Interesting article. I made a few copyedits. Good luck with GAN. &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 18:20, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look at Laguna del Maule (volcano) within the next few days! starship.paint ~  KO   09:17, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hi Jo-Jo,

Just wanted to say thanks for notifying me of that file that was supposed to have a deletion tag! Totally dropped the ball there. I really appreciate it when people point out any errors I may have made, especially since I'm still a relatively new contributor here, and am trying my best to learn & improve. If you ever notice anything else that doesn't look up to par, feel free to let me know!

cheers, Sturgeontransformer (talk) 02:46, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Comment by Jean
Also thank you Jo-Jo for deleting my user page so quickly.. Jean — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.75.226.42 (talk) 11:09, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

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Draft:S4 League (videogame) and User:Simonmana
They haven't given up, and are trying to avoid the salt by changing the title slightly. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:14, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I see. In light of the arguments presented at the MfD, the AfD discussions and the comments left by the AfC reviewers I do think this needs some kind of MediaWiki:Titleblacklist thing until the consensus changes - which should be asked on WP:AN I think. Given that no amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability, I don't think there is a point in having drafts on this until said consensus change.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:04, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Pinging - they are cruising for a block at this rate.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:05, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Firstly "they"? Secondly the delete discussion was a echo chamber 0 discussion suck up fest.Also it has notability and given the fact that notability is subjective and varies grately based upon who you ask its a variable that cant be used because it cant be measured.As for reliable sources i provided them.TL;DR there is no reason for the delete in the first place making the G4 request invalid.Simonmana (talk) 15:18, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The discussions did judge that the sources you offered are not enough to make the draft worthy, either because they are not reliable or don't actually talk about the subject in an in-depth manner - reliability and significance being a criterium for WP:N. "They" was a reference to you, I don't know your gender and since usernames don't always match the gender of the user I prefer to use the gender neutral form.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:39, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Well i disagree with that and i expressed it to them which instead of a proper explanation they just put it up for deletion than i was disregarded and my oppinions by the power bloc which was offending me.Its notable and has coverege its been covered by multiple reviewers.Im not going to let this go just because Wikipedia hasnt learned its 2016.Simonmana (talk) 15:49, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Per his/her pledge to "not let this go", and another re-creation of the material, I've blocked the account after a review of the history. At this point, this appears to be a single-purpose account. Please feel free to adjust or intervene if you feel the need to do so. Kuru   (talk)  22:12, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Notice for interested editors/talk page stalkers
Given that the rewrite/expansion of Koh-i-Sultan has just been pushed live, I'll have tomorrow more time to address the comments on Talk:Laguna del Maule (volcano) and implement solutions to the issues raised there. If someone can identify improvements for the KiS article, feel free to suggest them or edit them in.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:47, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Deletion review/Log/2016 August 4
Your deletion of the Kodaly file is entirely wrong. No actual evidence was presented that it wasn't in the public domain - merely people saying "I haven't seen the contract, but I'm going to make some shit up that might have been in it and speculate that this makes the White House stating it's public domain wrong.

The White House says it's public domain. That's enough. Please reverse your decision, because all the evidence it isn't public domain is literally imaginary: It's speculation about unlikely contracts and the White House making an error about it being a public domain file. The underlying musical work is definitely out of copyright, so the only way it isn't public domain is if a bunch of conspiracy theories are correct.

Adam Cuerden (talk) 09:30, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I see the deletion review and will answer there. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:33, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Comment about a title protection
I see that you have salted Hendrix (Magic). However, the editor responsible has a history of simply moving to a new version of the title when each one is protected, so the salting will do nothing at all to stop re-creation. What is more, pushing the editor into shifting to a new title makes it harder to find new sockpuppets, as we can watch the old titles for re-creation, but we can't watch titles that haven't yet been used. It therefore seems to me that salting titles is likely to be counterproductive. Would you consider lifting the protection? The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 09:14, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * This is a reasoned argument in favour of unprotection, thus I've unsalted the title. I presume you have it on your watchlist? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:19, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, and thanks. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 09:37, 4 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I've just seen your link to Bait car. An interesting analogy. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 09:40, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, a honeypot is usually for malware. A bait car is for when you trap actual people. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:41, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Laguna del Maule (volcano)
Hello:

The copy edit that you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Laguna del Maule (volcano) has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Kind regards, Twofingered Typist (talk) 19:14, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

DYK
You will need to fix some stuff; that DYK overdue message was actually 12 hours ago, for the last update, so the next one is queue 3. See DYK talk page... you keep the preps and the queues matched. Also need to tell us which article has the problem so we can fix it in prep 3 -- I can't see any tags on any of them. Also, once you move the prep set into the proper queue, you blank the prepset so a new one can be loaded... all that said, I'm not an admin, so I've never moved stuff into the queues... ;-) Montanabw (talk)  22:25, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Replied on DYKtalk. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:32, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

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File:Free-to-read lock 75.svg
It is helpful to add information blocks when reviewing files for Commons :)

Makes it much easier on the reviewers :) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 11:45, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * D'oh. I didn't know it was mandatory to use that template for the description text. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:02, 5 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Not Mandatory, Just makes it easier. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 23:03, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Acamarachi
Hello! Your submission of Acamarachi at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Borsoka (talk) 17:17, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

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Help
I'm currently having a conversation with on my talk page. The discussion turned to a copyvio on Commons used in their article draft. They're now asking for help with re-uploading the image correctly. I'm no expert on images and the policies about them, but I've heard you're pretty good with them. Would you mind helping me ? -- Gestrid (talk) 13:51, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I shall reply at your talk page. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:08, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

File:Nashiainaguensis.jpg
Another example - An author name but no way of linking it to the uploaders :( Sfan00 IMG (talk) 17:25, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Aye, these things are sorrowful. My sense is that the Wikimedia copyright policies are too high a hurdle for non-expert editors to handle and that thus a number of noncompliant or simply marginal - I don't think that file in particular is questionable - files are uploaded. I don't think this is a problem with a solution, though. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:12, 11 August 2016 (UTC)


 * And I found a not very encouraging note on the uploaders talk page User_talk:Noraaron from years ago. I'm not sure on the basis it's so old whether a CCI  could be justified based on a note that old 21:13, 11 August 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfan00 IMG (talk • contribs)

Images
Thanks for reviewing a number of FFD requests recently.

I was wondering if you could review the use of assumed license, Media by uploader and presumed self which were created as means of hopefully aoviding having to send trival cases to FFD in the first place :)

If you like I can also give you a list of the Quarry queries I'd been working from to help identify and get images tagged. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:23, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I've got a question what the second template is for, exactly. Is it for "photo of the uploader" sort of things? Might want to add to each a    (oy, these HTML tags are cooomplex...) explaining when to use these templates.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:00, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Its for when the file is made by the uploader (i.e they took the photo), but it's not been marked as own or the license isn't a self, type. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 16:38, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, that makes me wonder why we need a tag to specifically say so. Seems a bit by-the-rules sort of thing. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:43, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It was a mostly pragmatic response, to previous nastiness about good faith tagging of stuff as own based on previous advice. Tagging in good faith a presumed to be self/own etc with a special tag and getting the uploader to confirm it explicitly seemed to be the way to go. The template allows for admins to 'claim' the image status in another way, and if the wordign can be tightened and tweaked feel free (provided the documenntation is updated.).

Assumed license exists because of the pre May 2006 position of assuming all untagged material (unless shown copyvio) was under the then GFDL terms. The assumption was fine locally, but when Commons got started, having an unambiguos status for all media was desirable.

Presumed-self, was again a pragmatic response to a small number of images where there wasn't enough data to confirm it was self/own, but a contributor had (like in some of my earlier image patrolling efforts) made a good faith assumption that media/files were own, sometimes only on the basis that the original uploader had seemingly used a free license (non-self) when uploading, and hadn't given other source information (which is what some admin way back had told me to consider). Experience since then has suggested that approach is perhaps too liberal, and that all images should have explicit sourcing regardless. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 17:10, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * You then have images like this, File:User-Eisnel halloween.jpg, that someone obviously created in good faith, but

which prove to not have the sort of sourcing levels no expected, and owing to certain bots tend to get 'process-nuked' by bots or automaton like admins with zeal. I hadn't figures out what to put in a tag for these, as CSD seems to blunt and using FFD overkill. :( Sfan00 IMG (talk) 17:15, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I got it. A middle way between deleting all things that are even minimally questionable and between letting questionable material stay. A lot of these files are the sort of thing where not enough information is available to decide between "copyright status confirmed" and "copyright status not confirmed". Pinging as they did note in a different discussion that they perceive FFD to be too deletion happy, which I think ties in into this issue. Indeed many FFDs have nothing said on beyond a reason to delete given by the nominator (I believe in AfD such "only one person commenting" cases are treated as WP:SOFTDELETE), I've commented to the effect of suggesting a "keep" on a few though. Also, I've seen such complaints about Commons as well and one of the frequently cited reasons for using Keep local. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:22, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for pinging me. Yes, I do think FfD is delete-happy. My perspective is that of someone who watches deletion review I would think that I've probably had something to say in at least half the deletion reviews we've had since 2009, and I find that of all the XfD venues, FfD is by far the most likely to needlessly remove something that improves the encyclopaedia. I think that's ingrained and entrenched. People who volunteer at FfD do naturally tend to be a bit more focused on the "free content" part of Wikipedia's mission than the "encyclopaedia" part of it that's why FfD attracts them! but I'm often annoyed and frustrated by FfD decisions when I think they're sacrificing valuable encyclopaedic content on the altar of a preference for crappy files made by Wikipedians that come with an ideologically sound licence over decent quality files with a licence that's merely acceptable. I also think that FfD needs better guidance from the community on how to handle Crown Copyright. I feel that treating it in essentially the same way as commercially copyrighted material is mistaken. For the last couple of years or so I've been meaning to start an RfC about that. All the best— S Marshall T/C 18:06, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, most crown copyright stuff is noncommercial - although the British government has some pages under an OpenGovernment License acceptable to the copyright decrees - so having it in a free encyclopedia is going to cause problems. One thing I would like myself is that people who have issues with WP:NFCC compliance of a file have more to say than Fails WP:NFCC when nominating it for deletion or removal - as notes that criterium unlike say the bright line WP:NFCC needs careful consideration. Also, another thing, if a file is unused but meets commons:COM:L and commons:COM:SCOPE kick it over to Commons rather than listing it at FFD. Finally, a bit of personal advice - when trying to identify the nature and scope of a file, search the edit log of the uploader around the date of the upload, including the deleted contributions when you are an admin - it often contains critical information! Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:21, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Quick question
Hi, would this fall under ? I'm not entirely sure, but I assume it would because the original Pokémon logo does. Thanks,  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   12:14, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Questionable. While typeface is not copyrightable usually, that one is so heavily stylized that I'd want to have confirmation from a court ruling or US copyright office statement before treating it as PD. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:14, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response, I'll just upload it as a non-free file for now.  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   01:51, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

SAJEEV_N_K
Hello,

This page was deleted for copyright issues, but I am the webmaster of that website. There are no issues in reusing that content. Shall I post it again then?

Lombardking (talk) 18:49, 13 August 2016 (UTC) Anish
 * Greetings, . We are very paranoid about copyright and thus you can't repost the article without proof that you are the copyright holder, see WP:IOWN. Also, looking at it I am not sure if it's good enough text for Wikipedia - assuming that the individual meets WP:BIO that text is a bit too fluffy and needs sources so that we have an idea where the information comes from - (sorry for dumping you immediately on a list of lengthy policies). Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:53, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Acamarachi
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

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Deletion of File:Teemo lantern.jpeg
Uh oh, it seems that I forgot to vote Keep at, do you suppose you could undelete it now. Seeing as there were no other votes I'm not sure it would be too controversial. Pinging for thoughts.--Prisencolin (talk) 17:38, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Um, why do you think should the file be kept? The deletion discussion implied that the floats may be copyrighted, and that was the argument offered for deletion here as well. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:41, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * First, it hardly looks like the IP that its suppose to resemble. Second, it was delete from Commons because fair use and parody content is not allowed on Commons.--Prisencolin (talk) 17:43, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Even if it isn't a derivative work of the character the float could still be copyrighted by itself. If you want to use it as fair use on enwiki I can undelete it but I'd need a fair use rationale to paste into the filepage, per WP:NFCC, and an article. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:46, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * If you could do that, that would be great. It will be used on League of Legends.--Prisencolin (talk) 00:29, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Undeleted at File:Teemo lantern.jpeg. Remember to add a full rationale, there. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 06:03, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

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