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Jorgen Slots
Hi. You recently closed the request to delete the article for Jørgen Slots. Slots meets the criteria #8 of academic notability as editor in chief of the periodontal journal Periodontology 2000. See here, and he is editor emeritus (scroll to the bottom of the link, please) of the Journal of Periodontal Research (see here. That is enough, it appears, to be notable, but he has also received a national award from the American Academy of Periodontology, along with some of the most famous periodontists to have ever lived (see here) and the Willian Gies Award in 1990 (see here. The battle to delete this was made by people completely unfamiliar with how dental academia works and I feel that this was done too hastily.  DRosenbach  ( Talk 05:36, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Greetings. Not being familiar with the topic I am left wondering about whether these journals are major, well-established academic journal and whether these awards are "major, prestigious". Also, informing about this. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:57, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * They are national awards by the academy of the dental specialty in question. How can there be anything more major than that.  And as for major and well established, these perio journal are as mainstream as they come -- you can find them both listed here.  That's why I'm so bewildered.  I ask that the deletion be reversed and that it be suggested that Alexbrn tackle issues other than recommending deletion for articles in dentistry that he is unaware of because they are so highly refined and particular that they appear to the layman as unimportant and non-notable.  DRosenbach  ( Talk 19:08, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Seems a bit marginal. The non-stop ad hominem is getting tiresome. Alexbrn (talk) 13:43, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * And your lack of appreciation for what you don't know has already been tiresome for some time.  DRosenbach  ( Talk 19:08, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * When I weighted in the article had one broken ref that did not support the content in question. You could create a new one and go through AfC Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 14:03, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Alright, I recommend that the article be re-done in AfC with a bit more focus on proving notability. Also, I do not factor accusations of ignorance against other !voters into my AfD closes and they are improper behaviour besides. Stop them, please. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:19, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Done -- thanks for the recommendation, and the article is back up.  DRosenbach  ( Talk 16:19, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Article writing
Noting here that due to burn-out/exhaustion, I'll not be active in article writing for some time in the future. AfDs and queries thereon as well as routine maintenance on the articles I've written or expanded (including answering to issues in GA nominations) will continue, though. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:15, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Hualca Hualca
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Your deletion of the Universal queue article with AFD discussion result MERGE
Hi there, just so you are aware, the result of the discussion was MERGE and you deleted this article, leaving a redirect in its place. That was not the intended action. I have fixed this up. prat (talk) 23:16, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Blech. How did I do this? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:33, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of BCMMetrics - How To Restore?
Hello,

You recently deleted the page for BCMMetrics. The article was originally flagged, and I was in the processing of addressing those issues in order to meet Wikipedia's standards, but it was removed. Could you please let me know what needs to be done in order to get this page restored so that I can complete the updates our editor has made?

I appreciate your assistance! GShultis (talk) 12:18, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Greetings, It seems like that topic does not have enough reliable in-depth sources that are independent from the topic. You cannot WP:OVERCOME such an issue merely by editing the article. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:15, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

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Deletion of TEAMS Design article
I originally wrote the article along with the article on the founder of the VDID in Germany, Dr. Slany. I was working to contact the Esslingen office to try and edit the article accurately when it got deleted. I would appreciate any assistance you could give me on how to reinstate the article and to update it so that it is considered more valuable. I feel it is an important part of Dr. Slany's legacy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minervaone (talk • contribs) 13:52, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Greetings, as the folks on Articles for deletion/TEAMS Design noted not enough people and substantial sources appear to exist about the topic to write an article about it. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:42, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of BakuBoy & Austin Blake - Ways to Restore?
Hi,

You recently deleted the page for BakuBoy & Austin Blake. I would like kindly know what was the reason for it and how I can restore it? As I know it was met Wikipedia musician criterias because they have release in major label, they did tour and e.t.c. I'm new here don't know so much things so please kindly help me to restore it, would be happy.

Any assistance appreciated. Thanks for your time — Preceding unsigned comment added by Donandres99 (talk • contribs) 13:10, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Greetings, From what I can tell people  did not agree with you that it meets the musician notability criteria. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 13:17, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Did you do some research about musicians before deleting article? They meets major criterias. Please explain regarding this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Donandres99 (talk • contribs)
 * I didn't. The job of the closing administrator is to assess what the consensus is on the basis of policy, guidelines and the opinions given in the discussion, not to perform their own research on the topic and to keep or delete on the basis of their own assessment on the suitability of the topic. That's the job of the people in the discussion, effectively. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:36, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Open access editor
Hi,

The open access editor has begun recreating the articles which were deleted en masse despite warnings which can be seen on their talk page. As you were the deleting admin in the AfD I thought I'd ask you what the appropriate course of action should be instead of taking it to ANI.

Thanks,

 Dr Strauss   talk   13:57, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * That's me creating them rather than Filippo Morsiani. I'm moving the articles to userspace so they can be further developed. Nev1 (talk) 14:02, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * ah, thanks. Is this per WP:REFUND?  I'm doing the rest.    Dr Strauss   talk   14:08, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Essentially, yes. There had been some editing, so I felt it worth moving the pages to userspace for more development. A page has been set up to organise the re-writing. Thanks for helping out with some of the moves :) Nev1 (talk) 14:11, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm still sceptical on whether we need such a large content fork. Maybe we could try to explain it further to the user?    Dr Strauss   talk   14:13, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm going through the PRODed articles at the moment and moving them. They certainly seem very short. I think it would be worth having a conversation about the articles. Maybe working top down, focusing on regions and groups of countries first, would be the way to go? Nev1 (talk) 14:17, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * could do, or we could use WP:G5.   Dr Strauss   talk   14:51, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I think talking about the articles is probably the way to go. I understand why they were deleted in the first place, and many of the articles need a fair bit of work, but it seems there are some people willing to put the effort in to improve the drafts. Nev1 (talk) 15:16, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Note that this is now at WP:DRV, though focused primarily on the India article. The discussion may be found at Deletion review. I've already commented as the not-really-closing admin. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 13:34, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

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Alan Laney
I am requesting that the article [Alan Laney] be Undeleted. It is not unlike multiple other articles of songwriter musicians of similar and lesser note than this artist. I am willing to work on the page as some of the references have been removed from searchable data. I am also questioning why this particular artists career and history page was chosen for deletion over many other similar articles of his peers. Apicker (talk) 14:31, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd like to see some arguments that the previous undeletion was wrong before undeleting - and what you offered isn't enough. That other articles weren't deleted often means that they are in fact sourceable enough, or maybe they actually aren't but people haven't come across them yet. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:34, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Previously it was deleted stating this writer and artist did not have single releases. This was in error as there have been several songs written by Alan Laney that were released and charted as singles by other artists and the article was edited to include information on some of the singles. The Artist himself had also released some radio singles which I now have information of and can add references. Apicker (talk) 16:01, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Releasing music alone does not justify their inclusion. Check WP:NMUSIC for criteria that determine inclusion, especially the point about radio. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:17, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestion to read WP:NMUSIC. I submit that having an IBMA "Song Of The Year" as finalist amoung other releases by mainstream and international artists qualifies this article [Alan Laney] under the guidelines. Apicker (talk) 16:47, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Lessee what have to say. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:20, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't believe IBMA counts as a "major" award per the criteria for songs, songwriters or musicians in WP:NMUSIC, and there's no evidence his contributions to the bluegrass genre meet any of the criteria in the "Others" section therein. I stand by my assessment. -- Finngall   talk  17:40, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

To counter Finngalls assessment I would point out the 4 page article in "Bluegrass Unlimited" magazine referenced, describing contributions to the bluegrass genre and many off his songs recorded by bluegrass artists by the time of that article. IBMA awards are the mainstay of that international industry. Apicker (talk) 19:22, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

My first question is did the artist receive significant coverage from independent sources that pass WP:GNG muster? Cllgbksr (talk) 21:26, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * No sources were given that were significant. Also, a check of BMI and other sources found that while Alan Laney has written songs for other artists, either the songs a.) were not singles, or b.) were released by not individually notable artists. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:11, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Bianca Gray
No problem at all with the close (I !voted to delete), but just thought an FYI might be in order; WP:FPL is not really an essay (although it is labelled as such) – WP:NFOOTY (the subject-specific notability guideline for footballers) requires players to have played in a fully-professional league and WP:FPL is a maintained list of leagues that meet this criteria, so it's more of a supporting document. Unfortunately we have one editor who repeatedly tries to emphasise that it's an essay in the hope that people might ignore it. Cheers, Number   5  7  20:34, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, it is marked as an essay. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:52, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, and I said as much, but I was just trying to clarify the situation in case you came across it again. There doesn't seem to be anything classification-wise that it would fall under, at least that I'm aware of. Cheers, Number   5  7  22:18, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of Sridhar Vembu page - How to restore?
Hi, You have deleted the page for Sridhar Vembu - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sridhar_Vembu, Could you restore it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nauvyram (talk • contribs) 09:49, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Greetings, Why should it be restored? People here wanted it gone. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:55, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion/Claudia Harrison
Any objections to a new AfD? I looked for sources today and prodded on the basis of lack of sources. When I found a past AfD, I reverted and came here. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 15:29, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * No objections, although you should address the NACTOR points when renominating. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:48, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * No idea how "significant" any of her roles would be, but I'd expect if they were, there'd be GNG material. All I can find is an interview piece in the not reliable Daily Mirror, a British tabloid. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 16:09, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Please see Articles for deletion/Claudia Harrison (2nd nomination) --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:07, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

List of songs recorded by Trisha Paytas
Hi, Jo-Jo. Thank you for managing the closing of the AfD. As per the close, I've merged List of songs recorded by Trisha Paytas into Trisha Paytas. Since I haven't been in a deletion discussion before where the close was to merge, I'm not sure what the next step is. Do we blank List of songs recorded by Trisha Paytas and create a redirect to Trisha Paytas? And if so, do we do likewise to Talk:List of songs recorded by Trisha Paytas ? Thank you for any help or information. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:53, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Greetings, Tenebrae. Yes, one would redirect the pages afterwards. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:41, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Nonna Bannister
Can you please relist this if you do not want to close it out. I don't understand, frankly, why no other editors have bothered to weigh in or express any opinion on this, although I believe my AFD is well-reasoned and should prevail. Yours, Quis separabit?  21:52, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Relisted it. Perhaps the topic is just too uninteresting to gather a lot of commentary. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:44, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


 * I find that a tad hard to believe, given that the Holocaust angle automatically attracts certain editors, not to mention the fact that the article had been around so long without attracting any attention, which is usually of some interest to deletionists, as is the clear COI. If it is generally uninteresting then I don't expect much traffic. Do you care to weigh in and let someone else close? I'd love to get your opinion on the merits of the article itself, the issues I outlined, and the AFD? In any event, thanks for relisting. Quis separabit?  13:32, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

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Delection of two of my articles: Aderemi Adegbite and Folu Agoi
Dear Jo-jo Eumerus,

Greetings.

I noticed that two of my articles have been deleted. And this was done after I have edited the two articles with references. The pages were flagged by (talk to me)and I sent him a message which he did not respond to until now since last month.

Here are the links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aderemi_Adegbite and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/folu_agoi

I am willing to talk about the process of restoring these two pages.

Thanks

talk to me —Preceding undated comment added 03:25, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Greetings, . Folu agoi was never a page; Folu Agoi was deleted by because someone asked for its deletion and nobody contested this; I guess you can ask them or on WP:REFUND to have it restored. I deleted Aderemi Adegbite because folks here said not enough third parties are discussing that topic. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:46, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Deletion review for 2016 Chinese memes war on Facebook
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fabric Records and Houndstooth
Hi Jo-Jo,

I'm the head of label for fabric Records and Houndstooth, I hope you're well. Our page for Houndstooth (Record Label) was deleted last year and I hope I can change your mind on the reasons for deleting.

The final comment from MSJapan stated this:

Recheck your assertions. :) The NPR article is four paragraphs, and only mentions the label because they released the song the article is about. The awards are problematic because they're not established music awards - who's "Juno Plus"? Who's "Dummy magazine"? Coming third in a poll isn't winning. Tiny Mix Tapes is a webzine - do we know it's notable, or is it notable because it has a Wikipedia article? Resident Advisor may be RS, but "Label of the Month" means there were 11 others that year. Music-related items are notable because they win industry awards, not niche things like somebody's Top Ten List or a reader's poll. MSJapan (talk) 18:41, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

To clarify some of these points:

Juno Plus was the editorial site for the online retailer Juno, a big retailer in electronic music.

Sites mentioned in an earlier comment including Tiny Mix Tapes, Dummy, XLR8R and Dazed are all significant sites in the Music Industry.

Resident Advisor is the worlds leading electronic music website, with hundreds if not thousands of labels releasing electronic music to be picked as one of the 12 they select each year is a very high honour. Houndstooth received that accolade within it's fist year, something no label has ever done before.

Our sister label fabric Records has it's own Wikipedia entry for it's discography, it's been running since 2001 and is regarded as the leading compilation series in electronic music, also the world renowned fabric night club has it's own page. A number of the artists signed to the label also have their own Wikipedia pages. Houndstooth has now been established for 4 1/2 years during which many of it's signed artists have grown in stature. Snow Ghosts have had music featured in a trailer for X-Men: Apocalypse, Special Request's track from his new album is starting to blow up on BBC radio right now, two of many hundreds of examples I could offer.

A reason cited for removal was that Houndstooth was using the page as a promotional vehicle because it listed it's Discography, that format was based on seeing that used on a number of Wikipedia record label pages. Another common format is to list artists signed to the label which we could change to if that is preferred.

In the electronic music world Houndstooth easily has the clout of and surpasses some other labels that have valid and ongoing Wikipedia pages.

Please could you reevaluate the decision so that we can reinstate the page.

Thanks and all the best, Rob Butterworth (Head of Label - fabric Records / Houndstooth) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Butterworthrj (talk • contribs) 09:38, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Greetings, I am not particularly well versed by music; maybe the folks who took part in the previous discussion may  Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:40, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
 * If you want the decision to be reevaluated, you'll need to follow the process detailed at Deletion review. Qwfp (talk) 17:26, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

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Deletion review for UST Student Organizations Coordinating Council
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 * It seems like you actually didn't start the review - please check WP:DELREVD for the procedure. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:46, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Delection of two of my articles: Aderemi Adegbite and Folu Agoi
Hello Jo-Jo Eumerus,

Since you said there was no problem with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aderemi_Adegbite could you please upload back. It was deleted for a reason I am yet to understand. Kind help resolve this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayandaabeke (talk • contribs) 20:28, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Greetings, but I did already reply and stated what the problem was. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:57, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

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 * Greetings. The sole content and sole edit in the deleted version is Can someone please put a stub tag on this article? I'm pretty sure this could use some expanding. Deletion Quality 21:40, 23 March 2007 (UTC), sure that it is necessary now? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:11, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The article was kept, so I think its history should be too. Thanks. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 20:14, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:16, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

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