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Image question
Hey, do you think the images here are considered free use? I would think the answer is no, but I figured I might as well ask.  ceran  thor 18:07, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think so, unless PD-US-no notice applies. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:49, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Got it. thanks!  ceran  thor 17:30, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

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Wikimedia Commons question
Hello and apologies for the random message. I was wondering if there was a way to delete my Wikimedia Commons account while retaining my Wikipedia account? I have no interest in the Wikimedia Commons side and I always message it up anyway. Thank you in advance! Aoba47 (talk) 05:27, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Greetings. Deleting accounts is no more possible on Commons than it is on enWikipedia, so no, there is no way. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 05:29, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. That is what I assumed, but it is nice to get confirmation on that. I am honestly just frustrated with it, but it is probably just best for me to ignore it completely. Aoba47 (talk) 05:30, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

AHP
"Holocene Wet Phase". JoJo Eumerus mobile (talk) 12:43, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * That one's done. Pending now are Pluvial theory and Johanna Alida Coetzee. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:23, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * As well as this one. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:37, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Amendment: and . Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:15, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * And this one. JoJo Eumerus mobile (talk) 14:47, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Finally this one. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 13:31, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Also Waw an Namus in German sources such as Pachur and Altmann 2006. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:01, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

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Afd Relists
Could you give me some more background about when you decide to relist an AfD discussion? Thanks and Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:04, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Greetings. As a rule of thumb I relist when a) there are less than 3-4 opinions and no more than 2 relists or b) when I sense that the discussion is not yet settled, e.g when good arguments have been marshalled on both sides and now additional people need to be convinced. Are you concerned about a particular AfD? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:13, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks that's helpful. I noticed this morning that you relisted Articles for deletion/WittyFeed (2nd nomination). My first thought was "hmm that's strange given WP:NOQUORUM." Then my second thought was "well perhaps given the article history Jo-Jo thinks WP:SOFTDELETE is actually inappropriate" which I could actually get behind because I don't think REFUND would be appropriate. But then my third thought is "Well let me take a look at some other recent relists to figure out if it is strange or not". In looking at your relists from today I see 7 total. WittyFeed and 4 others that would seem to qualify as expired PRODs     and I see 2 which are being relisted for a third time (including 1 which had no discussion between relist 2 and 3) without any sort of statement  . But then my fourth thought was "Well maybe there's something else I'm missing" which how I ended up with the question above. I really don't think that SOFTDELETE is the right way forward given Witty's article history so I'm in the end good with a relist, and obviously you shouldn't use the toolset if you don't think a particular action is the right course, but I would suggest that these relists are not following the deletion guideline.  Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:42, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't really agree. The "deletion process" page says If a deletion discussion receives minimal participation, the article may be deleted. and I am going to try to get more comments before declaring the discussion as "minimal participation". Even a "soft deletion" is still a deletion. Perhaps I am working off my content review experience, where wait times can exceed a week by far. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:25, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree it may be deleted. You certainly don't have to be the one to do it. But in the case of Articles for deletion/Richie Stephens (actor), Articles for deletion/Mercy Malick, and Articles for deletion/Minerva Vier if the nominator had chosen to PROD it would likely have been deleted at this point. This is the whole point, in my reading, behind NOQUORUM and making it a SOFTDELETE. I admit I was also surprised to find the two relists for a third time without the sort of reasoning that my reading of WP:RELIST "should write". Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:53, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, that procedure applies when Users relisting a debate for a third (or further) time, or relisting a debate with a substantial number of commenters which wasn't the case in the three AFDs you link there. Besides, PRODs per their own policy are for uncontroversial deletions; an user might very well think that their PROD might be contentious and thus go to AFD instead. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:57, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * What am I missing about Articles for deletion/Chuck Whittall and Articles for deletion/Nason Schoeffler not being third relists? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:58, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The former has only one detailed keep argument, the second has only thinly supported arguments on all sides. I'll remember to state the arguments in these relists. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:33, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. So I've now looked at all of your relists since the start of April (by my count 52 of them) and looked at a smattering of your other AfD closes. It seems like the 7 relists from yesterday were a bit unrepresentative. Outside of the NOQUORUM and 3rd relist without explanation (thanks again for that) I found nothing which comes close to troubling me. So let me return to NOQURUM for a moment because it essentially seems like you're saying there's no situation in which you would close something with that method - in essence if someone nominates it for AfD that's inherent proof it's controversial and needs discussion. Is that correct? If it's wrong under what conditions would you follow NOQUORUM and do a SOFTDELETE? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 22:51, 3 May 2019 (UTC) If you're curious of the 18 noms which would have been eligible for soft delete 2 later closed as no consensus and 1 later closed as keep. The rest either were still going or closed as delete.
 * I am quite willing to do a SOFTDELETE close if a discussion still has no input after some relists, but I haven't had opportunity so far. If you look at my closure history carefully you'll notice that a couple of years ago I was quite busy at AFD (including SOFTDELETE closes), then ceased when I focused on content work (and real life work) and now am working back at AFD ... but a lot of discussions are already closed by the time I get there. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:49, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

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 * Signing so that it gets archived; my comments will be at User talk:Iridescent if need be, and the discussion (which among other things says 2FA is not mandatory, apparently) is at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:50, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

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Templates for discussion/Log/2019 April 18
Thanks for closing that. Now that it is closed, am I to understand that the accomplishment of that tfd falls to me? I don't mind doing it, I just don't want to get in the way of someone else.

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 * Greetings and welcome to my talk page. Seeing as I know that you are the chief maintainer of the various "cite foo"/"citation" templates I indeed think that you are probably the best person to carry out the action. Someone else might also be able, but I don't see anyone else doing the work, and I don't feel like screwing around in that code ... assessing a consensus is one thing, working with complicated code is a mite different. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:36, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

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Boring Lava Field
Hey, I've listed Boring Lava Field for peer review here if you have any time to give feedback. I'd appreciate if there are any important sources you think I need to add to the article. Hope all's well,  ceran  thor 16:47, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

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Small concern re: AfD/Nina West
I'm not disputing your closure or anything, but I'm vexed by this IP edit, made immediately before your closure. Is that some random act of trolling, or something more significant? —⁠ 烏&#8288;Γ (kaw) │ 03:53, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Someone who thought they had made an account but actually hadn't? Based on a quick Googling, it doesn't look like trolling to me. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:05, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * That's certainly a possibility, but I was more confused by the choice to copy the timestamp of the comment above theirs (and, of course, to put it in the middle to begin with). I don't know. It looked weird, so I thought I might as well ask. (Also, I'm watching your page for now, so you don't need to ping me if you reply.) —&#8288; 烏&#8288;Γ (kaw) │ 09:15, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Maybe someone who does not know how to sign their posts properly? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:38, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Also an option. It doesn't particularly matter, since it didn't affect the discussion; thanks for indulging my curiosity. —&#8288; 烏&#8288;Γ (kaw) │ 09:44, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

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To-do

 * Cyclone Monica - MDPI source is questionable.
 * Paleotempestology - Finishing
 * Ubinas - Update needed.
 * Salar de Hombre Muerto - Expand.
 * 1820–29 Atlantic hurricane seasons: Source?
 * Hurricane Hyperactivity Period - Create?

Also check out "diatoms" and "tropical cyclones". Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:22, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Need also updating Lake Minchin and this source . Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:43, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Ojo de Maricunga, Ojos de Mar and Chao Dome. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:41, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Chuck Whittall
I see no WP:CONSENSUS for a delete of the article. Shouldn't no consensus after 4 weeks of afd result in a keep per Wikipedia policy?  Lubbad85  (<b style="color:#060">☎</b>) 16:54, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Greetings. Consensus is not simply a matter of headcounting; if the keep arguments are effectively refuted by the delete camp a deletion may still ensue. In this case the delete !voters pointed out that the sources do not actually discuss the subject but rather the things he's worked on, arguments that were not rebutted by keep !voters. As obliquely noted on WP:BLP1E - and more explicitly at WP:SIGCOV - the sources need to describe the subject in some detail, not just in passing. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:28, 10 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Greetings. You voted on the afd by siding with the delete votes. But the way it is designed to work..4 weeks of afd, and no consensus should have been a Keep result. If you wanted to vote, someone uninvolved should close the afd.  Lubbad85   (<b style="color:#060">☎</b>) 18:05, 10 May 2019 (UTC)


 * It does seem like you didn't get the result you wanted so you extended the AFD even longer, then you were the one who closed it as well. It had already been relisted twice with the nominator wanting to delete it and two others saying to keep it, so you extended it even longer and got two people who said to delete it.  If those two hadn't shown up to say delete, would you have extended it again?   D r e a m Focus  18:18, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * And one was was a weak delete. In addition the original nominator was not even confident in the nomination stating in his rationale for nomination "Not sure he passes WP:GNG".  Lubbad85   (<b style="color:#060">☎</b>) 18:22, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Er, no. The original nomination did say " not finding the sources to show notability" which is a claim that GNG is not met. That usually counts as a "delete" argument. The reason for my first relist was that there were only two commenters at that point, the third relist was because only Dream Focus had provided a (potential; even from your formulation it seems like the coverage is more about his projects than about himself, which raises WP:SIGCOV concerns) counterpoint - Lubbad85 was just making an assertion. That's why I (and presumably the second relister ) felt that more input was needed.
 * I don't have an opinion about whether the subject deserves a page or not. If the last two commenters had advocated keep - or split their opinion - a no consensus or keep close would have ensued. The third relist has nothing to do with any opinion I might have (and actually don't have) on the subject.
 * Calling in case they have an opinion. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:59, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * No need to call them. I asked for a deletion review and posted on top of the xdf. Thank you for the explanation . I feel like the afd worked as it should. And then the closure with delete was against policy. 4 weeks of afd was plenty time IMO  Lubbad85   (<b style="color:#060">☎</b>) 19:04, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I think there's an article to be had on the topic of his company. However in terms of coverage that I would say that I didn't find anything which would support a BLP - it just wasn't there for me. The only thing that gave me pause at all, and led to the weak delete, is that he does seem to be famous with-in his area (Orlando if I recall). I'm not saying anything new that I didn't say there. The fact is that there are only so many sysops working at AfD and so Jo-Jo acted up on this more than once does not trouble me in the least especially as the second relist was done by a different sysop. As Jo-Jo knows I'm not a huge fan of third relists without explanation and I think it's possible to have closed it as keep after the second relist when there was no comment. However, it was relisted a third time and two delete comments came in which seemed to have carried the policy weight - correctly in my judgement (but then I would say that given my !vote) - and so I don't see how you unring that bell. If this were brought to DRV I would endorse the close. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:11, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Deletion review for Chuck Whittall
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 * Noted. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:59, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Virahya Pattarachokchai
Hi. I was a bit late to check the discussion, but press coverage of the subject appears to be substantial. Would you mind reopening the AfD? Thanks. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:30, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Greetings. Can you show me some of the coverage in question? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 13:45, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The most in-depth appear to be interviews with Hamburger magazine, Post Today newspaper's website, Manager Online, and Lips magazine. Most mainstream news coverage is about her winning season 4 of The Face Thailand (Thairath, Kom Chad Luek, Krungthep Thurakij, Khaosod, Praew magazine, Sudsapda magazine). Others are various online variety news sites and celebrity website (Dara Daily, Kapook, Great Star Digital. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:16, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * These seem like decent sources but I don't know Thai. Pinging in case they have comments. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:22, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't speak Thai either. Any of those are in English? --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 15:29, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Agree with . Admin if you can't read Thai language? please use Google web translation tool, or ask to other editor from Thailand. Thanks MyanmarBBQ (talk) 16:15, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

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