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File:Nuclear power is not healthy poster.jpg
Hi Jo-Jo Eumerus. Do you know what's going on with this file? It was discussed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 September 18 and you closed the discussion as "delete". There, however, is nothing in the page's history or the log which shows that the file was ever deleted. I'm asking about this because the file has just been tagged for speedy deletion per F5 which seems odd. Some other odd things are that there's no file displayed on the file's page (only a link to a non-existent file), and there's no indication given of the page being refunded or recreated. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:48, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Greetings, . I am guessing I simply forgot to press "delete" when I closed that. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:41, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking a look. The page would likely now be eligible for CSD per WP:F2 I guess. Seems unnecessary to wait for F5 unless some is possibly currently requesting a WP:REFUND. it also seems a bit odd that a bot only picked up on the F5 only now, apparently a year after the file most likely became an orphan. Do you think this is some kind of bug? -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:44, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I've deleted it under F2. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:09, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Southcott (band) DRV
Did you mean to say "incorrect" here, instead of "correct"? -- RoySmith (talk) 16:29, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, corrected it. My typing skills that morning were rather poor. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:31, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

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Deletion review/Log/2019 November 4
At 's DRV for Lera Loeb at Deletion review/Log/2019 November 4, you wrote: "I know that sometimes we treat 'No consensus' on reviews of speedy deletions as 'list at AFD'; the reasons I didn't go for this here are that a) whether to do this has been extensively debated here already and b) a lot of people are hinting that an AFD would likely result as 'delete'."

Deletion review says: "If a speedy deletion is appealed, the closer should treat a lack of consensus as a direction to overturn the deletion, since it indicates that the deletion was not uncontroversial (which is a requirement of almost all criteria for speedy deletion). Any editor may then nominate the page at the appropriate deletion discussion forum. But such nomination is in no way required, if no editor sees reason to nominate."

Please reclose the DRV as "speedy deletion overturned owing to a lack of consensus" as required by the DRV closing instructions.

I also do not find the reasons for not listing at AfD to be compelling. DRV is focused on process and AfD is focused on discussing sources. Many editors did not discuss sources at the DRV because they were focused on process. An AfD would give editors the opportunity to focus on discussing the sources. I found this DRV at Deletion review and was not a participant in it. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 05:56, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Oi. Seems like I forgot that line; I've restored it. I am not convinced by your argument on the not-listing-at-AFD question, though; the people in the deletion review were discussing sources to a substantial degree and there was little indication that they would be considered to be adequate at AFD stage (for example, there was little indication that there was more than one GNG-qualifying source). Besides, the concern about pursuing ultimately useless processes was articulated in the deletion review and long historical experience indicates that they can be indeed harmful. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:49, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks for salting the article
Hey. Thanks for salting List of scientists who disagree with the scientific consensus on global warming. I think it'll be a while before I close an AfD of such a big and old article using the new gadget XFDcloser. It was an unnerving experience, as I complained here, and seemed to take an age, or I would have got to the creation protection a bit faster. Guess what, the article talkpage still hasn't been deleted..! Bishonen &#124; talk 22:25, 19 November 2019 (UTC).
 * Gern geschehen. I see has requested the deletion of the talk page on Meta as it's above the size limit for admin deletions. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 22:33, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It's been done by a steward now. Bishonen &#124; talk 22:52, 19 November 2019 (UTC).

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Google Code-In 2019 is coming - please mentor some documentation tasks!
Hello,

Google Code-In, Google-organized contest in which the Wikimedia Foundation participates, starts in a few weeks. This contest is about taking high school students into the world of opensource. I'm sending you this message because you recently edited a documentation page at the English Wikipedia.

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WP:ANI
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. --TomStar81 (Talk) 14:16, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Kyliegh Curran & Doctor Sleep
In the discussion Articles for deletion/Kyliegh Curran, the last editor to participate in the discussion (the only one who supported a redirect) recommended "Redirect to Doctor Sleep (for now)." The link used by HM Wilburt points to Doctor Sleep (2019 film), pipe labeled simply "Doctor Sleep".

Then you stated, "The result was redirect to Doctor Sleep." Which is a link to a disambiguation page.

then implemented your result of the discussion and we now have Kyliegh Curran redirecting to a DAB page and is admin protected.

I believe this was probably all just an oversight. If so, please change the redirect to point to Doctor Sleep (2019 film). If not, then please explain these actions. --DB1729 (talk) 14:46, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * My apologies, I'll get right on that. Thanks for pointing it out. TomStar81 (Talk) 15:03, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * No, that was just an oversight/link confusion; I've amended the close and changed the redirect. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:06, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the quick responses. All the best to you both. --DB1729 (talk) 15:10, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

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Canadian Business College
You had this article deleted from Wikipedia and I believe you’ve made an error and suggest you look at similar sites such as Trios College, Herzing College, CDI College and many more.

There are over 600 career colleges in Ontario alone and often competitors will sabotage others to mark deletions and such.

I’m no longer associated with any college but was once a Director for the association as well as the Toronto Training Board which was a non profit organization placed by the government.

I suggest you either remove all career colleges or allow for them all. I don’t see anything particularly different from the Canadian Business College site from the others. MarzJ (talk) 19:00, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link., as you can see the page was deleted because this particular college did not satisfy WP:N guidelines, that does not mean that any other career colleges is now automatically up for deletion. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:03, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

How much were you paid to delete a perfectly good article
You absolutely ignored my comments and this makes me very suspicious why you would work so hard to have the article deleted.

Please respond to my comments and if you cannot I will fight to have you removed for possible corruption MarzJ (talk) 06:53, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * For readers' info, this apparently concerns Articles for deletion/Canadian Business College (2nd nomination).
 * Please calm down. Jo-Jo's sole involvement, as far as I can see, was to step in as an uninvolved administrator to close a discussion at AfD. Such discussions are not a vote, but it is noticeable that only two editors argued to keep the article,four or so supported its deletion. Your post above is insulting and inappropriate. Do you have a Conflict of interest about this article, as you seem so passionate about it? Pam  D  07:46, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I've merged this query with the last one about this topic, as contrary to what MarzJ is claiming I did in fact reply there:, as you can see the page was deleted because this particular college did not satisfy WP:N guidelines, that does not mean that any other career colleges is now automatically up for deletion. The only thing that I did was to make a pass across the AFDs that closed that day and closed that one as it seemed to have clear consensus. I also think it's rather impolite to make completely baseless accusations of being corrupt or being paid to edit, and we do in fact have a policy prohibiting that. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:36, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

need to see info on deleted page
Hey, can you help me see what a deleted article and/or sandbox looked like before its removal? I have since been informed that using wikipedia for students assignments is in violation of the WP:Student assignments policy, and I won't do it again.
 * Zanhe|Sagotreespirit. I figure that once you are done withj Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:36, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

My students clearly missed the bar on this one: Articles_for_deletion/11_11_Taobao_Shopping_festival. That said, I need to evaluate the page and give the students a grade. Is there any way for me to see what the page looked like before deletion? Likewise, is the article recoverable from where the student built it, here User:Qian_Wang_Amy/sandbox?

I've learned my lesson on this one. But a handful of my students are awaiting a grade I can't give them without seeing what their page last looked like, and I would really appreciate being able to grade it before it disappears into the ether. Jim37hike (talk) 07:38, 30 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Huh. I don't think that this is technically covered under policy, but I'll invoke WP:IAR and restore the deleted content to User:Qian Wang Amy/sandbox, User:Qian Wang Amy/sandbox 2 and User:Qian Wang Amy/sandbox 3 respectively. I'll ping the participants in the discussion and deleting admins elsewhere in case they have objections, . I figure that once you are done with the pages, your student should tag them for deletion with db-u1. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:36, 30 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Wow, thank you so, so much. (My students will be grateful too, once they know how close to the edge they came!) I'll grade the pages in the next 24hrs, and then have the student delete 'em ASAP. Thanks. Jim37hike (talk) 11:53, 30 November 2019 (UTC)


 * see this IA copy of it, which almost definitely won't be deleted, for a more permanent copy. DemonDays64 | Tell me if I'm doing something wrong :P 15:25, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

FWIW, I agree with using IAR to undelete temporarily in this circumstance.  DGG ( talk ) 00:07, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

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Articles to work on
Ciomadul, 1257 Samalas eruption, Laguna Amarga and this and Pali Aike, these few ones. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 21:36, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

My ArbCom votes, in case anyone cares
I know that ArbCom votes are meant to be cast in the privacy of SecurePoll, but I'll state mine anyway seeing as the election is over but the results not yet announced:
 * Supported Kudpung, Worm That Turned, Newyorkbrad and The Rambling Man.
 * Opposed Llywrch, Gadfium, SoWhy, Beeblebrox, Calidum, DGG, Bradv, Isarra, Hawkeye7 and Thryduulf.
 * Neutral on all others.

There were a bunch of considerations, from experience levels to their relations to the WMF given WP:FRAM. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 13:11, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Media bias against Bernie Sanders
Hi, Just immediately after you closed the AfD, an editor started a new one. Could you do something about this? thanks--SharabSalam (talk) 18:09, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:DPAFD: "Renominations: After a deletion debate concludes and there is no consensus or the consensus is in favor of keeping the page, users should allow a reasonable amount of time to pass before nominating the same page for deletion again, to give editors the time to improve the page. Renominations shortly after the earlier debate are generally closed quickly. It can be disruptive to repeatedly nominate a page in the hope of getting a different outcome." I am trying to improve the name and the article but an editor unilaterally nominated the article for deletion again just mins after you closed the AfD.--SharabSalam (talk) 18:20, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I see that has withdrawn their nom. Incidentally, I don't think that the talk page should have more than one move discussion open on it; you probably should merge it into a single open-ended move discussion. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 18:37, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , He opened a second move discussion which I removed. I opened the first one.--SharabSalam (talk) 18:42, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

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TFA
Thank you today for Limalok, "about another underwater mountain in the Marshall Islands which was formerly an atoll, similar to the other recent FA Wōdejebato, and has a similar history although it is located in a different part of the Marshall Islands: It's a former volcano in French Polynesia which became first an atoll as plate tectonics moved it north, then it disappeared below the water and is now a seamount at the southeastern end of the Marshall Islands."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:11, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

edit fully-protected
I have followed the guideline that you've set out on the bad image list, it should now work. Iggy (Swan) (What I've been doing to maintain Wikipedia) 14:50, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

request copy deleted article
Hi, could you please provide a copy to my userspace of the article which was deleted as a result of Articles for deletion/Jennifer Hardy CK, which you closed? (so to User:Doncram/Jennifer Hardy CK i guess). I did not see the article, but I posted a sympathetic note to the article creator's Talk page soon after the AFD, a few months ago, and they have just replied to my Talk page. Based on the AFD discussion I do rather assume the decision to delete was fine, but I would like to give further advice. Depending on the content, I would try to consider whether mentioning the actor's name in some other article would be appropriate or not. And i would share my opinion to them. Thanks in advance, --Doncram (talk) 04:04, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note that the article appears to have been an autobiography. Perhaps we should wait for someone uninvolved to create a new article if she is notable enough. Pam  D  08:00, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Userfied this. For an autobio it doesn't read that promotional. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:05, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

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