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Articles for deletion/No-go area (2nd nomination)
How is 9 keeps and 1 merge not a clear consensus? Nfitz (talk) 00:26, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Agree, also I did not further a strong Keep argument, however I edited the article. I am usually quite impressed by your closures. Lightburst (talk) 04:23, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * and : Normally, that sort of thing is indeed a clear consensus. But on Wikipedia, Consensus generally requires that we factor in all of people's legitimate arguments and not simply counting heads and most keep arguments in this case tended to ignore the WP:OR and redundancy concerns by focusing solely on whether there were sources using the term. And if the nominator's concern had been WP:NEO or WP:N then that would have been enough indeed for an unqualified keep. But it wasn't, there was a concern that a core policy was being violated and too many counterarguments ignored it. And as far as I know, AFD does not have the mandate to ignore these.
 * I know it's a bit of an unusual situation and perhaps a "Keep but allow for disambiguation/merge/split discussions" close would be more appropriate. The reason why I didn't go for that is because it would be a somewhat odd conclusion and the aforementioned concern about a core policy issue being disregarded, although I can be convinced otherwise. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:20, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The article content is indeed troubling. I guess I can see the logic here. Nfitz (talk) 15:53, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Deleted article
Why was this character Shockwave (Transformers)'s article deleted even though he was a major character in the transformers universe. Is there any chance that we can have this page restored? Davidgoodheart (talk) 02:34, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * As you can see from the deletion discussion there was a consensus that it doesn't satisfy the notability criteria for articles of this type. In order to restore it, you'd need to find multiple sources that satisfy these criteria. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:52, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

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 * Thanks. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:54, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Four Mile Globster
I was going to add this to the AfD before it got closed, but apparently there was a mainstream article in the local metropolitan newspaper in Melbourne at the time, so there was some non-fringe coverage - it's not available online but would be available at a library or newspaper article. So perhaps there is enough for a redirect. Bookscale (talk) 12:12, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Might be a better idea to add it to Globster; as for a redirect it can be added at editorial discretion. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 14:13, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

One deleted, one not deleted
I am doing some cleanup work from editor "Amanda Paul" who seems to misunderstand the label "own work" when uploading images. I believe it is a good-faith mistake, because Paul includes the name of the photographer who made the shot in an effort to assign proper credit. That was the case with which you just deleted after the, where credit was given to "Pui San Chan" (someone IMDB lists as  official still photographer to the 2009 film Colour Blind.)

Amanda Paul also uploaded another photo from the same film, whose metadata show it comes from the same camera on the same day, "File:Robert_Cavanah_in_Golliwog_Make-up_-_Colour_Blind_2009.jpg". In this case, he/she did not add the photographer's name. I would like your advice on how to proceed concerning this second photo. HouseOfChange (talk) 19:41, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Seems like someone has already nominated it for deletion. The uploader has been inactive for over three years so they probably can't help much. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:47, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I did not see that other discussion. Merry Christmas! HouseOfChange (talk) 19:49, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

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Korova Milk Bar
Oh I'm sorry, I thought you were german. I'm very confused by the wikipedia website and don't know how to send private messages to user, so I will chat here.

It seems like you deleted the wikipedia article "Korova Milk Bar". Because I was subscribed to the articels of the Korova Milkbar I received the following Email from wikipedia:

Dear TymoBZR,

The Wikipedia page Talk:Korova Milk Bar has been deleted on 23 December 2019 by Jo-Jo Eumerus, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Korova_Milk_Bar.

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Your friendly Wikipedia notification system — Preceding unsigned comment added by TymoBZR (talk • contribs) 17:50, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Greetings. Actually I do speak and read German but even in that language the grammar was mangled and it was not clear whether you were asking for anything.
 * , do you perchance know whether this notification is controlled by a MediaWiki namespace page? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 18:35, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The main content of this e-mail message is stored at https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Enotif_body/en The local copy of MediaWiki:Enotif body was removed; I suggest talking to  or  before trying to re-create it.
 * TymoBZR, did you have a question about the article, or about the e-mail message? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:49, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . To whit, the reason why I was asking is because wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jo-Jo_Eumerus is the wrong namespace. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 18:52, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I can see that going either way (the userpage might have a list of contact information), but your idea is now immortalized as T241389. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:33, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

There used to be a wiki article for the Korova Milk Bar. Type in Google "korova milk bar wiki"... the first link should be the wiki article, but when you click it, it says "The article that you're looking for doesn't exist". This WAS the link to the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korova_Milk_Bar ; I was subscribed to this article. So I got the Email which I already copy pasted the text in here (see above). Now my question is, did you, Jo-Jo_Eumerus, delete the article? Because as far as I understand the Email, you deleted the article. Now if you deleted it, why did you do it? If you did not delete it, I would like to know what the Email is actually saying. By the way, I'm not familiar with wikipedia editing, so I have no clue about formatting this text like you guys do. I hope you get notified anyway if I just put this plain text in here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TymoBZR (talk • contribs) 23:11, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did delete it because of the discussion here which decided that it didn't meet our inclusion criteria. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:00, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Ok I understand. Thank you. Happy Christmas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TymoBZR (talk • contribs) 13:52, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Good luck
 豊かな十年へようこそ/WELCOME TO THE D20s Miraclepine wishes you a Merry Christmas, a Happy New Year, and a prosperous decade of change and fortune. このミラPはJo-Jo Eumerusたちのメリークリスマスも新年も変革と幸運の豊かな十年をおめでとうございます！ フレフレ、みんなの未来！/GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR FUTURE! ミラP 02:21, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

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Quackwatch
The real issue was can Mr barrat be used for a BLP if he is self published. I do not think your close really addresses that as it seems to say yes he is an SPS, but no QW is not.Slatersteven (talk) 13:50, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Huh? The close does say articles written on Quackwatch by Stephen Barrett..are considered to be self-published covering the articles authored by Mr. Barrett and articles on Quackwatch not authored by Stephen Barrett, the consensus is ... not being self-published for those not authored by him. As a number of people have pointed out, these two sets of articles are not necessarily equivalent re: self-publishedness. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 18:07, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Well I think that the argument will pop up " ahh yes Barrett may be an SPS but QW is reliable so we can use Barrett in BLP's", as it is what caused the original dispute. But you do not seem to think that is the case, fair enough hopefully others will see that as well and I am wrong.Slatersteven (talk) 10:11, 26 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Ohh and BAHHH mumbling Insect!!!!!!!Slatersteven (talk) 10:12, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, the formal question was whether QW was a self-published source not whether it could be used in BLPs. I did write the 4th point to cover this - if Barrett's articles are self published policy strongly cautions against their use in BLPs - but since some arguments in the discussions outside of the RfC were drawing a distinction between " about living people" in the policy and "about medical claims made by living people" and it wasn't the RfC question I didn't feel comfortable making a summary judgment there. If people claim that a source being reliable means that self-publishedness considerations no longer apply then they are quote mining the policies, nothing I can address with the close. I am not sure what the insect thing is about. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:18, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Well its better than a humming bug (or in other words a Joyous Winterfestnondemonitialtionalcelebratrion).Slatersteven (talk) 10:28, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth I took the close as meaning, yes it is reliable as an expert in the field for statements not about BLP. Since WP:BLPSPS says unequivocally Never use self-published sources—including but not limited to books, zines, websites, blogs, and tweets—as sources of material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the article. Sorry for popping in like this but I found the close a little misleading and confusing as well. Let me know if my impression of the close matches the intent. PackMecEng (talk) 16:25, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 * That's correct, although I would not frame it as "reliable...not about BLP" - to me that invites confusion between reliability/unreliability and not-self-publishedness/self-publishedness. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:29, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

A case to point [].Slatersteven (talk) 16:43, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * That sounds more like an WP:OSE issue to me than a problem with the close., normally when a source is used inappropriately, it will be removed over time. That it is still present on some articles during the course of the cleanup might mean that the cleanup hasn't reached these articles yet, not that there is any cherrypicking going on. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:54, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

This [] does say that it was not the conclusion of the RFC.Slatersteven (talk) 17:16, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

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Eurohound
I was going through DRV and I noticed Eurohound, here are some reliable secondary sources, 101 Ways to Do More with Your Dog: Make Your Dog a Superdog, The Puppy Place #34: Zipper, Amazing Dog Stories, and. Can I get that userfied plus talk page? Valoem talk contrib 22:04, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Probably better to ask for this. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 22:10, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay Valoem talk</b> <b style="color: Green;">contrib</b> 00:04, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

List of sources to check
No Taylorandfrancis save academy, no Geoscience, no Cambridge, no SeG, no Lyell, no Wiley, no Springer save Pompei und Goethe, no AJS, no Lyell, no Nature. JoJo Eumerus mobile (talk) 14:42, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Taylor & Francis
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SEG Library
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Lyell
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Wiley
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Springer
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University of Toronto Press
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ScienceDirect
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AJS Online
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Gale Group
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JSTOR
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Boll. Acc. Gioenia di Sc. nat. in Catania
Greetings, has someone access to this publication? "Gurrieri G. (1933) - Gallerie e cavita'nella colata lavica etnea del 1669. Boll. Acc. Gioenia di Sc. nat. in Catania, sr. V, (20): 1-20." For 1669 Etna eruption

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Lyell
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Nature
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Historical introduction to geology
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A Selection of Cases on Insurance
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The spell of Sicily: the garden of the Mediterranean
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Die Insel Sicilien in volkswirtschaftlicher kultureller und sozialer Beziehung
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Sicily, the garden of the Mediterranean: the history, people, institutions, and geography of the island
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Medioevo e città: nel Regno di Sicilia e nell'Italia comunale
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Alla scoperta di Catania: Guida sentimentale della città etnea. Con 24 tavole fuori testo e una cartina
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A History of Sicily: Medieval Sicily, 800-1713, by D.M. Smith. (B 68-13584)
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Principles of Geology
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Volcanoes and society; challenges of coexistence
Greetings, has someone access to "Volcanoes and society: challenges of coexistence. Proceedings of the Kagoshima International Conference on Volcanoes, Kagoshima Prefectural Government and the National Institute for Research Advancement (NIRA), Japan, pp. 14-21." For 1669 Etna eruption

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Mountains of Fire: The Nature of Volcanoes
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Vulcani attivi della terra: morfologia--dinamismo--prodotti--distribuzione geografica--cause
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Der Aetna by Wolfgang Sartorius von Walterschausen
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Catania terremoti e lave dal mondo antico alla fine del Novecento
Greetings, has someone access to the chapters mentioning "1669" or "Etna" of "Boschi E. e Guidoboni E., Catania terremoti e lave dal mondo antico alla fine del Novecento, Roma-Bologna, pp.94-104"? Worldcat points to it here For 1669 Etna eruption

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Archivio storico per la Sicilia orientale
Greetings, has someone access to "Agata Zuccaro, I monasteri femminili di clausura a Catania nel '600, nelle visite pastorali del vescovo Michelangelo Bonadies (1665-1686), «Archivio storico per la Sicilia orientale», Catania, a. XCI, 1995, I-III." For 1669 Etna eruption

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Cocomelon – Nursery Rhymes
I was wondering if you could unlock this so I can restore and add additional sources to the article without going through DRV. The last comment in favor of deletion occurred on Augest 12, 2019 when the article looked like this, there were no reliable sources so no possible outcome other than delete. However began adding sources on August 14, 2019 and the final version before redirecting looked like this with 4 additional sources which was not taken in the consideration during the AfD. I have found more sources as well giving this significant coverage. Any YouTube channel with a few million subs always has multiple reliable sources, this channel has 68 million subs and is the 3rd most subbed channel on YouTube, please allow me to expand it. <b style="color: DarkSlateGray;">Valoem</b> <b style="color: blue;">talk</b> <b style="color: Green;">contrib</b> 09:53, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Seems reasonable, but perhaps you might want to write up a draft first. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:01, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Valoem/sandbox, I've started a draft in my sandbox which replaces most of the primary sources and added additional information which should pass the requirement for a listed article. Please advise. <b style="color: DarkSlateGray;">Valoem</b> <b style="color: blue;">talk</b> <b style="color: Green;">contrib</b> 03:08, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I've lifted the protection. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:59, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * You should probably re-protect it. It looks like the same COI editing has started happening again. TheAwesome  Hwyh  21:48, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I am pretty certain that in such cases, policy calls for a block ... or since there wasn't a warning, a warning. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 21:53, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I have given them a custom warning. Though I am still concerned that this one edit may be a herald for a flood of WP:SPI editors soon to come. TheAwesome  Hwyh  22:01, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

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Teahouse question
Hi Jo-Jo Eumerus. Perhaps you can help out the IP who posted WP:THQ. I'm assuming good faith here, but WP:DUCK is always a consideration, particularly since you protected the drafts indefinitely due to SOCK. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:54, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Greetings, . I've opened a SPI on that IP here, there are too many similarities for my liking. I am not going to lift the protection myself. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:25, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Understand. Whether the IP is another sock I can’t say for sure, but I’m fairly confident that this is not a complete newbie who just stumbled across these drafts by chance or who has never edited before with another account. — Marchjuly (talk) 09:48, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Saffron Barker
Hi, you closed an AFD about Saffron Barker recently as "retarget" per BLP1E, and on RFD I'm trying to find a better target or clearer solution (=delete), the "one event" was actually the third event on record in enwiki articles. –84.46.52.210 (talk) 11:25, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Huh. I don't know the topic enough to offer any opinion. However, given that AJ Pritchard is about Strictly Come Dancing and we are quite strict on YouTube/vlog things so Social in the City would not necessarily be a notability criterium, I think the case for BLP1E with SCD being the 1E is still strong. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:37, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

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