User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus/Archive 58

Where was I?
Jo-Jo, I am so sorry, but I have lost track of what I was supposed to be helping you on next (ArbCom is one nasty experience). Which article am I supposed to be doing what on? Best, Sandy Georgia (Talk)  17:01, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Greetings, That was Laguna del Maule (volcano), one of my old articles. I've been dragging feet on article writing over the past few weeks because my university has not so cleverly decided to pack all its exams into a two week period in early June, and I am struggling to keep up there. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:07, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * PS: One thing I wanted for some time ask to the medicine editors is whether RVxP motif uses the correct sources for such statements. It's not strictly medical information so not WP:MEDRS-level stuff, and when it comes to primary vs secondary sources I tend to subscribe to the "the introduction section of an academic paper and parts of the conclusion/results section are secondary sources, the methods and parts of the conclusion/results section are primary sources" philosophy, but I am not sure if that is good enough for non-medical biology articles. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 20:21, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Jo-Jo, the last few days have been so offputting that I haven't yet gotten the wind back in my sails. I hope to get over to the volcano tomorrow.  In the meantime, there are two new-ish medical editors who are awesome and will be able to answer your question above about sourcing at RVxP motif;  Regards, Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  21:01, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping, Sandy. The article's a bit too far outside my field of expertise for me to feel comfortable commenting on the sourcing. Sorry I can't be more help! SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 21:39, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * In general, I tend to subscribe to the same philosophy, especially for topics that are poorly covered where introductions may be all you can get (they are, in a sense, a mini-review I suppose). It does feel a bit yucky though, and I try to find reviews instead if at all possible. Here, I don't know much about primary cilia (except that they're a hot topic in cell biology), but a quick trip through pubmed turned up lots of reviews on trafficking to/within the cilium, though little mention of RVxP. This 2017 review in Trends in Cell Biology mentions the motif only in Box 2 alongside the C-terminal VxPx that may guide rhodopsins to the same place. Another 2017 review gives no space to either motif. Turning back the clock a bit, a 2015 review notes only "a growing body of evidence suggests that proper localization to the [cilium] requires the interplay between several ciliary targeting signals" and then provides a table of about a dozen different described targeting signals. A 2012 review mentions RVxP in passing, again alongside VxPx, KVHPSST, AxEGG, and Ax(S/A)xQ and conclude there may be no single targeting signal, but rather several paths to the cilium. A 2011 review notes only "Ciliary membrane proteins can be targeted to the ciliary membrane through ciliary targeting sequences (CTS), and they become enriched in the cilium", and then pile-cite all the different motif-claiming papers.
 * So yeah, again I'm no cilium expert (and maybe you are!) but perhaps an article on RVxP motif overstates its importance. Maybe instead a move to Ciliary targeting sequence would allow for a more balanced discussion and would let you bring in more reviews as sources? If you decide to go that route and would like a hand just let me know. Sorry for the text wall! I hope all is well! Ajpolino (talk) 17:01, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Ajpolino! (Jo-Jo, I am having to add page nos to the dementia with Lewy bodies sources for its FAC (I have had a complete change of heart on that topic), and that has been so far a 20-hour effort, with a few more days to go ... I WILL get to the volcano!)  Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  18:18, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * @everyone: Thanks for the comments. To be honest, I was mostly asking a "best sourcing practices" question using that particular article as an example rather than a general guide on how to write an article on this topic. While Ciliary targeting sequence might make an interesting article (474 hits on Google Scholar) it's definitively a lower priority for me than the articles listed in the to-do box, especially ocean dynamical thermostat. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:26, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, well then to speak in generalities, I'll say I sometimes rely on the introduction and conclusion to serve as a mini-review. However, I feel it can easily lead me astray by giving a misleadlingly narrow view of the topic (as the authors weren't writing the introduction to fairly review the topic, they were writing it to introduce their findings), and should be used with caution. In the particular example of RVxP motif I think they're... alright... but it's a topic covered by reviews that give a better context for where article-sized chunks can be more easily written. Anyway, out of curiosity I googled and read the abstract from the first hit for "Ocean dynamical thermostat"; I don't think I understood half the words, so I look forward to reading your article :) Ajpolino (talk) 20:26, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

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Other images mass-nominated at FFD
Hey again. You deleted one banknote image, so what about other images mentioned at ? --George Ho (talk) 22:25, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Seems like someone else got to them, now. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:28, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

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Episode log for the North American radio series; "Loveline" --?
Pardon me for asking; Why would the episode log for the North American radio series "Loveline" have been deleted? Has the information been placed elsewhere or updated?

I found the listing a useful reference guide for dating episodes I had recorded in the late 1990's & very early 2000's. Trying to date a lost show missing from the archive that I have. The series was recorded (Westwood One) & still circulates in some platforms.

I have no idea how this all works; just mystified how/why anyone would take it upon themselves to remove useful reference materials--?

(Patsprings (talk) 03:12, 23 May 2020 (UTC)).
 * Greetings, . There was a consensus here to get rid of the lists. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:29, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

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Files for discussion/2020 May 17
I just noticed that these two images are actually free, under PD-AustraliaGov. Since you were the closing admin, could I convince you to restore them (or to give your blessing for me to do so)? Wikiacc (¶) 15:43, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:46, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

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Re-creating the United Macedonian Diaspora article
Hello, you were the deleting admin of this article and I missed the AfD discussion a couple months ago. I see it was deleted for lacking notability. Please let me know if you think the following sources establish sufficient notability: a US census article, news articles that cite the organization such as and, and books results. If so, I'll probably begin a deletion review. Thanks. -- Local hero talk 21:22, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Greetings, . These sources seem much better than these that the article had before, but I can't say whether they establish notability. I think you can either begin a deletion review, go through WP:AFC or just create a new page. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:02, 1 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your input, I think I'll actually just rewrite the article with these links I've presented above then. Best. -- Local hero talk 18:07, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

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Whitefish Lake (Alaska)
Why does Whitefish Lake (Alaska) redirect to Espenberg? There's no mention of any lake on that page. Do you have any objection to having it redirect to Whitefish Lake instead? Leschnei (talk) 12:41, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * To be clear - there is no mention of the word 'lake' on Espenberg. Espenberg volcanic field would be another good redirect target. Any preference? Leschnei (talk) 12:43, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Because Espenberg volcanic field was previously at Espenberg. Espenberg is now a disambiguation and incoming links and redirects need to be repointed to the correct targets. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 14:00, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, just making sure I wasn't stepping on toes! Leschnei (talk) 11:17, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

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Mass deletion is ridiculous
20:23, 5 June 2020 Jo-Jo Eumerus talk contribs deleted page 2019–20 Elitedivisionen (Mass deletion of pages added by Essiepolman79) (thank)

That page was useful (Elitedivisionen football is restarting today) and it was encyclopedic – there was already 2018–19 Elitedivisionen and 2017–18 Elitedivisionen.

It doesn't matter who created the page. Punish the user, not everyone else. - Demokra (talk) 05:01, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Greetings, . Policy does stipulate that pages written by block-evading editors may be deleted, and while this kind of "based on the contributor and not the content" deletion has always been contentious it is currently allowed. That said, if you want the page back I can undelete it. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:37, 6 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Jo-Jo – yes, it would be good if you could bring that page back. I don't recall any questionable information in there, and will edit it if so. - Demokra (talk) 21:43, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It's back, . Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:01, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of the Oxford University Conservative Association List of Presidents
The list of presidents was deleted for not passing verifiability or LISTPEOPLE.

There are actually books (as well as journals and articles) about OUCA that mention lists of presidents. I've personally read the first two books on this list, both of which contain their full contemporary list of presidents. After that time its more difficult to argue that the entire list is verifiable - but historically it definitely is.

Given that there are many articles and journals which reference the presidents of OUCA at different times, it seems to be of encyclopedic value to have a list of the presidents. Especially when many entries are of people who have articles elsewhere on the site.

I was wondering if, given the above, you agree that it should be undeleted. If so, I'd appreciate any help you'd be willing to offer in that process - I've never done it before.

Thanks. --HackContrib (talk) 16:38, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * (request for any talk page stalkers contained herein) Greetings, I remember deleting such a page but not where it was, for some reason. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:48, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

I would like to concur with what HackContrib has been said above. The OUCA (and other Oxbridge political societies) list of presidents is of interest not just to those with connections to Oxbridge, but also to those interested in British political history. Given the number of notable British figures who began their careers in these societies, and the historic importance of these clubs, I think that these lists should also be undeleted. --Daniel.villar7 (talk) 17:48, 7 June 2020 (GMT)
 * OK, now I've found it. The deletion discussion was concerned not just about the sourcing but also about whether WP:LISTPEOPLE was met. I am not sure that this has changed. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:54, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Multiple people on that list are notable enough to have wikipedia pages, and reading the rules you linked to, it does appear that lists with some people who are not considered notable are acceptable, so long as the office itself is notable. I would think that given the Oxbridge dominence of British politics, and given that many notable politicians began their careers in these societies, the presidency of these societies should fall under that category.  --Daniel.villar7 (talk) 22:21, 7 June 2020 (GMT)
 * Discussion continues here. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:14, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

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Malene Sørensen
Greetings. You had done restores of articles written by Essiepolman79 after their unblock, but the linked article here had been deleted after what appears to be a perfectly normal and valid AfD discussion. I've tagged it with a db-afd tag for admins in general, but I wanted to give you a heads-up personally on this one. Thanks. --Finngall talk 14:53, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Buh. Reverted my incorrect restoration. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:25, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Lana Rhoades
Hey, I recently looked into Lana Rhoades page on WP, and I am kind of surprised the page was deleted and blocked off. She clearly passes WP:GNG as the most popular porn star in the world for the last two years. I don't usually (ever) post porn star bios but this did surprise to be honest. What would be the process to getting the page recreated, or starting a discussion about the page?--Ortizesp (talk) 01:38, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Greetings, . Two deletion discussions (1 and 2 and if we want to be strict 3) determined that the topic does not meet inclusion criteria. There was one deletion review endorsing deletion and another which found some space of discussion, but that space was then determined to not exist at the AFD. I'd say perhaps try a third DRV, but you'd need to present top-notch sources. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:21, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Viedma is not a volcano..
Hello - there is no geological evidence that Viedma is a volcano; 'Viedma' has been removed from the list of known volcanoes hosted by the Smithsonian Institutions Global Volcanism Project - so why revert edits to the Viedma wiki page that point out that its interpretation as a volcano is disputed? The Smithsonian GVP is recognised by the volcanology community as the authoritative lits of known young and active volcanoes, and the persistence of a wikipedia page that asserts that it is a volcano is and will be a source of confusion for the community. Thanks Chaiten1 (talk)
 * Mostly because they have no source - just because GVP removed the volcano from its list does not automatically imply it isn't a volcano. Is there a source somewhere that explicitly says so? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:00, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Payún Matrú scheduled for TFA
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 * There are a few new sources but I am loath to depart my convention of making batch updates over the Christmas holidays, especially as it doesn't seem like there is any breaking discovery in them. No opinion on the TFA otherwise. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:32, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

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UMD AfD
Hello again, you may recall I came to you a little while back regarding re-creating the United Macedonian Diaspora which had been deleted by you following an AfD. Following our discussion, I went ahead and re-wrote it, and it was soon thereafter nominated for deletion again. The discussion this time looks quite different with editors that frequent Macedonia-topics taking their usual stances, while from uninvolved editors there is support to keep or support to delete based on not enough time having passed since its original deletion. If you have the time/patience/interest, please leave your thoughts there. Thanks. -- Local hero talk 15:50, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks but I don't have an opinion on the matter. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:26, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

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