User talk:Joanna Tilsley for the Tilsley Archive

Username concern
Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your username, "Literary Estates of Vincent Frank and Frank Vincent Tilsley", may not meet Wikipedia's username policy because it implies the account is being shared by multiple people &mdash; the name appears to be that of a group or organization. Only individual people are permitted to have accounts on Wikipedia, and an account name must represent a single individual person and not be shared with anyone else. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. As an alternative, you may ask for a change of username by completing this form, or you may simply create a new account for editing. Thank you.


 * Hi there and thanks - I have put in a rename request. I am the archivist for both Frank Vincent Tilsley (1905-1957) and Frank Vincent Tilsley (known as Vincent Tilsley) (1931-2013) who was his son. Obviously, both are deceased. I am currently drafting wiki pages for both. Would you mind very much taking a look at my sandbox and letting me know what you think of my draft article for Vincent Tilsley? I'd be very much obliged. I'm new to Wikipedia, and have read as much as I can around the subject before getting as far as I have with the draft, but would like an expert opinion please, because I got into all sorts of trouble with my first attempt and managed to get myself and the page deleted due to self-referenced copyright violations because the text on Vincent Tilsley's Facebook page (which I also run) was the same. So I changed the text. I think I have also now removed all other text that doesn't have a wikipedia-reliable outside source (until I get the online archive completed). The article stub still remains, stating that if I am recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page, please first contact the user who performed the action listed.  Indeed, the draft in my sandbox is similar to the deleted one (albeit very edited). But I can't ask the Wiki user who deleted my page because she told me in no uncertain terms that the discussion was over and that she would not respond to any messages. So I have to ask someone else for help.  I hope you can!  Are you able to confirm that the sources cited are reliable that would be great (The BBC Genome Project; The National Archives; The National Archives of the British Film Institute; The Stanley Kubrick Archive at the University of the Arts, London; and The Writers Guild of Great Britain). I don't want to get my article rejected again. Look forward to hearing from you, and sorry for the superlong message - Many thanks - JoLiterary Estates of Vincent Frank and Frank Vincent Tilsley (talk) 02:22, 1 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Looking through the article in your sandbox, some things jump out at me right away:
 * The lead section consists of unsubstantiated claims that aren't supported in the body of the article. Words like "many", "prolific", and "best remembered" should be removed or explained.
 * The article relies heavily on inline external links. The preferred method of citing sources it to use tags; see WP:CITE for guidance.
 * The sources cited, as far as I could tell by looking at several of them, don't point to anything significant. The editing community wants to see significant coverage (not trivial mentions, directory listings, and so forth), from reliable sources (having a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy) that are independent of the subject.  Golden rule provides an overview of what is expected.
 * I don't see any deleted pages in your contribution history. It seems that your user page was simply moved to your sandbox. Nothing has been lost as far as I can tell. ~Amatulić (talk) 05:58, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Hello Amatulić and thank you for your response. I will re-edit as per your advice. There are so very many reference sources, that I didn't know which to cite. In the body 'bio' I mainly used inline links, to cross reference within Wikipedia, and the links to the films and programmes credited in the BBC's and the BFI's archives, are all in the 'Filmography' - should I move all these references to the 'bio'? Are these 'sources' considered reliable and independent? Are official government records sufficient to cite for birth and death? Are college records sufficient to cite for his education? How would I preserve the 'inline' links so that readers can cross reference within Wikipedia, if I change them all to the external citations? Sorry for so many questions - I need to get this right! Also, there aren't any deleted pages in my contribution history because I had to set up as a new user because my user profile was deleted for being a numpty and not understanding how Wikipedia works - I followed various online 'How To' guides, which all come up in search engines before the hidden and (to me) largely incomprehensible Wiki guides. For this reason, I'm not able to submit the amended article to the orginal deleter (randykitty - what kind of user name is that??) because he/she will not talk to me, so I'm going around in circles still... Thanks - Jo Literary Estates of Vincent Frank and Frank Vincent Tilsley (talk) 11:32, 1 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I was referring to inline external links, that is, links to outside of Wikipedia. External links should be in citations, not inline with the article prose. To link to other articles within Wikipedia, use wikilinks by enclosing the article name in double square brackets like this.


 * BBC and BFI are considered reliable and independent sources, and can be used to verify facts. Citing college records, if they are publicly available, is fine, although it is preferable to cite sources that give coverage (that is write about) the subject, rather than reference directory listings, data sheets, and the like.


 * After an administrator has made a decision not to restore content, your only recourse, aside from Deletion review (the purpose of which is not to evaluate the merits of the deleted article but to determine whether the admin's deletion was proper and done according to Wikipedia policy), is to create the article from scratch. ~Amatulić (talk) 20:39, 1 August 2016 (UTC)