User talk:JoanneB/Archive2007/April

What's the deal?
Hello JoanneB:

Please excuse my barbarian level computer skills. I am having issues with my information being deleted. I would like to discuss this with you and how we can resolve the problem. Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Omegalion (talk • contribs) 20:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC).
 * Hi! I have received your e-mail and I've sent you an e-mail back, in which I've referred to WP:EL, WP:ATT and some other pages that might be helpful. I know it's a lot, and I should have left a comment on your talk page earlier, for which I apologise. --JoanneB 20:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Personal branding
I was about to file a 3RR report on Omegalion when I noticed you are an admin - have you got it in hand or do we still need a report? RJASE1 Talk  19:35, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, it's sort of my policy (although I've never really needed it :)) not to block people that I'm in an edit dispute with myself. I think it's more objective if someone else has a look. --JoanneB 19:37, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I reported at AIV due to the 3RR warning evasion and Irishguy blocked him for 24 hours. RJASE1 Talk  19:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

CVU
Thanks; it's disappointing that it didn't go through. I would have made Raul take care of his Ph.D. dissertation, of course :) Ral315 » 20:47, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Now there's a heading that's confusing when you read the message below it and have no further context :-) --JoanneB 21:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

User:Ernham
Hi JoanneB. Thanks for restoring the Lothar von Trotha article. You may also want to look at Ernham's similar contribution to the Herero and Namaqua genocide article. I haven't got involved there as I've been involved in a previous edit war with him, and am trying to avoid a repeat :) I've also reported him at and commented on a report of his against another user at . It would be much appreciated if you could add your comments if you get a chance. Thank you :) Greenman 13:51, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, I saw your message at AN/I, the article wasn't on my watchlist yet. The edit that I did revert was a little more obvious to me than the other one, for which (to me) a bit more background information was necessary before being sure that something should be reverted. As I want to be able to be held responsible for every revert, I decided the Lothar one was one that I could explain better than the other one, so I left that for others to investigate, I hope you don't mind! --JoanneB 14:03, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, that smiley as part of your sig (I assume, having seen it in your last couple of edits) can be quite confusing and misleading! I was reading up on the links you provided above, and it sort of conveys the meaning that you're not serious, which makes it probably not quite the best thing to use on all occasions! --JoanneB 14:07, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not actually part of my sig, I've just been using it a bit recently - tone is hard to get right in short comments like these. It's meant to express a Zen master beatific smile rather than some sort of manic grin, or a joke :) (Sorry, couldn't resist) Greenman 17:32, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah ok! I'll see it as a beatific smile then from now on, no problem ;) However, it might be good if you're aware that other might not interpret it as you meant it, but you probably already are. Never mind! :) --JoanneB 17:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Good work!

 * Thanks :) You beat me to blocking him though! --JoanneB 19:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

User:Littledaniel 93
This user has been informed not to place free use images on their userpage under WP:FUC #9. The images were removed after a 48 hour notification period but have since been replaced. Could you look into the situation please? Bass fishing physicist 14:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I've removed the images from his page and from a couple of userboxes he made. I've also warned him again and will keep an eye on the situation! --JoanneB 14:00, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. I was not sure on the policy regarding such cases, so I thought asking for outside intervention to be the best course of action. Now having seen Removal_of_fair_use_images I will be able to act with more confidence if I encouter such a situation again. --Bass fishing physicist 14:26, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

AIV
This was an interesting edit. :) I'm not sure how you did it, but if it was from a link or bookmark, you might want to update it. -- zzuuzz(talk) 13:45, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, thanks for letting me know and fixing it :-) I have absolutely no idea how that happened, I did not use any links or bookmarks, nor did I (to my recollection) copy and paste or do anything similar. I've edited that page loads of times in the past (178 times, according to my edit count ;-)), but have never run into this before. Anyway, thanks for reverting! --JoanneB 13:59, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Theological disputes and the 2007 Coptic Church crisis
User:TheLordIsNear is personally attacking the Pope of Alexandria, His Holiness Pope Shenouda III BY Writing untruths on his personal page of the Pope of Alexandria. His article on a church criss in 2007 is simply untrue to sell a book or create a controversy. His section needs to be removed immediately. I appreciate your help in straitening out this hieracy.

WP:NPA- "Threats or actions which expose other Wikipedia editors to political, religious or other persecution by government, their employer or any others. Violations of this sort may result in a block for an extended period of time, which may be applied immediately by any administrator upon discovery. Admins applying such sanctions should confidentially notify the members of the Arbitration Committee of what they have done and why. " —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.0.29.2 (talk) 19:04, 17 April 2007 (UTC).
 * NPA applies to editors, not articles. There are other policies that you might be looking for like WP:BLP. However, please note it on the talk page of the article, or go here: Requests_for_comment. I don't know enough about this dispute or the quality of the sources that are used to be of any real help, sorry. Kind regards, --JoanneB 19:16, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia question
How do I add one of those "previously unsigned comment by" thingies for when people don't use them. Minirogue 21:11, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, you can use this template for that:, replace the xxx by either the IP number or the username. Kind regards, --JoanneB 08:53, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

An Automated Message from HagermanBot
Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! HagermanBot 14:16, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * XD Oh dear, Joanne. Not a very good example :P. Hehe! That's what you get when for once, you dont actually want to sign! --Ali K 14:24, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL! Didn't Alf tell the bot to go outside and play or something? --JoanneB 14:26, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll be assisting it outside with my boot if it gets any more uppity.--Alf melmac 14:29, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * :-) I guess the bot not making a difference between long time experienced editors and newbies is a good thing, but it's funny how persistent it is :-) --JoanneB 14:36, 21 April 2007 (UTC) (<-- see, bot, I can do it!)
 * rofl quite literally. I fell off my chair and read that comment, nice comeback Joanne! Bot: 1 Joanne: 2. --Ali K 14:51, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I've beaten it permanently, I've found the off-switch! (thanks Alf!) Ha!

User talk:Winona Gone Shopping
Just wanted to let you know I restored todays version of the page. I wanted others to be able to easily see what oddness comes from there. I think that for a few days having the page even with the (especially with the weird) myspace link is important. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 00:33, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, as I said, no problem! I can see why it is useful for the discussion, I hope it gets deleted again afterwards. --JoanneB 08:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * IF they remain blocked I'll re-delete it. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 08:27, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Message for "The eavesdropping Lady Secord"
Hi Joanne it's "Libs". Just a follow-up FYI for you. The "false PD-self" uploader that we discussed over on Wiki alf's talk page... is still at it. Same image, same tag, same article insertion. It was RV'd by a noble anon :D. Have a nice day... "Lady Secord". 156.34.219.32 00:38, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I dropped a message at the talk page of the admin with the most recent admin-activity on Commons, and have left the user a message on his talk page here at Wikipedia (no IRC access at the moment). If he continues doing this here, I'll block him. Thanks again for letting me know! --JoanneB 08:18, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

A very Californian RfA thanks from Luna Santin
Only slightly late! Glad to see you still poke onto IRC, every so often. You're still one of the (gasp) admins I look up to for an example. – Luna Santin  (talk) 00:45, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Commons copyvios
Thanks for the copyvio heads up on Commons, now dealt with. I grabbed a minute but I tend to do basic vandal fighting while at work and prefer to do things requiring some brain power in breaks . Regards -- Herby talk thyme 09:02, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for dealing with it! I'm not familiar at Commons yet, is there a general page where concerns like these can be listed? This time, I picked you as the admin with the most recent deletion activity, but I suppose there are better ways to raise a flag there :-) --JoanneB 09:04, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You'd be surprised how often I've used the same methodology (not always worked tho as all admins are not equal !). Commons (by comparison to here - said very quietly) is a nice place with some good folk around so feel free to dive in - some great pics too. For Admins the series of admin boards may well help with more general queries at the Village pump - you know where I am too.  All the best -- Herby  talk thyme 09:57, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Cites
I've been adding some, but for the life of me I cannot remember where to look for the access level for en-vandalism and the registered nicks. Any ideas?--Alf melmac 12:35, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hm. That would be this one? . Hasn't been updated for ages, but I think it's as good as it gets. /me shakes head. Refs for babel boxes, where would you get a crazy idea like that? :P --JoanneB 14:48, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Alf just chuckles
 * I'm done playing with that, for the moment - it just needs one of those show/hide thingies and it's cooked.--Alf melmac 16:17, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Would you care to drive one of your old and clunky browsers over that page and see if it gips at all. I've also found a reasonable sound clip which needs testing as I can't try it out on this machine ("your current security do not allow this file...") - hope it meets the claim.--Alf melmac 12:07, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks good, sounds good. Mission accomplished :-) --JoanneB 15:52, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Igor21
Hi, JoanneB.

You wrote:


 * this is a content dispute, please use this page for vandalism only

Fine. Then, could you please explain me what I am supposed to do if a user erases a whole sourced section "manu military"?. Simply to revert him/her until one of us is too tired?.

I am not asking you a rethoric question. I want to know. This Igor21 is a repeated blanker.

Thank you. Randroide 18:30, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I had not run into either of you before, and I've read Igor's talk page. All the warnings on his talk page come from you, apparently very few other people have serious issues with him. Don't repeatedly revert him, as you'll run into the 3RR rule, and it's not very constructive editing anyway. There are several ways to resolve a content dispute - if discussion on your or their talk pages is not longer effective: mediation, requests for comment, requests for arbitration (in that order). In any way, AIV is not the place to go, as I don't see Igor as a vandal, and I don't think any other admins would. --JoanneB 18:41, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * We are already on a RfC. What I am supposed to do when he deletes sourced material?. AFAIK restoring blanked sourced material does not count for the 3RR. Could you please check his contributions to see why he has only trouble with me?. If you have time, take a look at this. Randroide 19:58, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Once you've been through RfC, and others agree that he's a problem user, getting the arbcom to accept the case should not be very difficult. If they don't agree, please consider the fact that it might not be him, but you (or both). Perhaps you're misinterpretating policy, you're to close to the subject to be objective, your sources are not objective, etc. An edit war is almost never just two people: what do others say? And anything can count for 3RR, really. For instance: I could write a very well sourced paragraph about bananas and add it to the strawberry article. If I keep adding that, I can be blocked for 3RR. --JoanneB 20:11, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi JoanneB. Thanks for your understanding of the problem. The thing was that jim62sch started improving the article after the destruction carried out by Randroide in Christmas. When he stopped because is busy in other articles, I tried to carry on but Randroide came over me with his templates. I do not speak good English and I am rather clumsy with Wikipedia procedures but jim62sch and mantanmoreland can tell you that I am not the vandal Randroide paints myself. I am only trying to reflect accepted truth in the article and this is the reason Randroide is always harrasing me (and others).--Igor21 17:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)