User talk:Jobe6/Archive 1

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Eddie Murphy is not Irish
Eddie Murphy is not Irish. Why do you want to vandalize the Irish-American list?

Sheen before Sullivan
H comes before U so Sheen should come before Sullivan on a list.

Soundgarden
Hey Jobe, some nice work on the "Hunted Down" article -- look forward to seeing more good things from you! &mdash; Catherine\talk 03:07, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Great, it will be nice to see some more good articles on singles.  Don't forget to add Category:Soundgarden singles and a year category -- Category:1987 singles for "Hunted Down" for example.  Thanks!  &mdash; Catherine\talk 03:23, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Uploading images
The file has to exist on your computer first. If you create it yourself, or download it from your own camera, those are the pictures Wikipedia likes best. You CANNOT use just any picture from the web. The vast majority of pictures out there on the web (especially of bands) are copyrighted, and if you upload them they will only be nominated for deletion.

HOWEVER, because we are writing educational articles, we have a legitimate claim to fair use for album covers, book covers, DVD covers, and so on. These (and only these) pictures can be copied from another source (like allmusic.com or amazon.com.)

(I'm going to give step-by-step instructions as if you haven't used a computer before, since I don't know how much you do or don't know. Please ignore if you already know this shtuff, k?)  Find a good quality picture of an album cover somewhere on the web. Right-click on it, and choose "Save File As..." or "Save Picture As..." from the pop-up menu. Save the file somewhere easy-to-find on your computer (Desktop, My Pictures, whatever). Give it a specific name such as "Soundgarden_HuntedDown_SingleCover.jpg" -- this makes it easier for people to know what they're looking at in a list of files later.

Click the "Upload file" link (should be in the "toolbox" on the sidebar at the left), which will take you to Special:Upload. Click the "Browse..." or "Find..." button there, select the image on your hard drive, and click OK. Fill in the "Summary" field -- describe what it is ("cover of Hunted Down single by Soundgarden"), where you got it ("image from http://www.amazon.com/whateverblahblahblah.html"), and add the template albumcover, which will put the appropriate fair use copyright tag in. Check the "I affirm..." box, and click "Upload".

Now go edit the article where you want the picture to go, and put in the image tag (or whatever you named it). Note the pipe character (vertical line) in there -- the "|"? That goes between the name of the image (the ".jpg" part) and the size of the image (225 pixels is usual for album & single covers). Then another pipe character goes between the size and the caption text. This text will show up as a caption if the image is put in a frame, or in a tooltip if you hover the mouse over the image.

Hope that's not too crazy -- it's really easy once you get the hang of it. Ask again if something doesn't work the way you expect. &mdash; Catherine\talk 03:52, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Heh -- you figured it out in the time it took me to write that -- good job, LOL! Yeah, that picture is fine to use under fair use rules -- just remember that fair use only applies to things like album covers, not to every picture on the web.  (To use anything else we need to get permission from the photographer.)  Cheers! &mdash; Catherine\talk 04:01, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * (By the way, you can sign your comments by using four tildes -- that's the squiggly "~" usually in the top left corner of your keyboard. Type " ~ " and Wikipedia will insert your username.)


 * Yeah, sorry, I saw that you had used it after I typed that. My bad.  I added the albumcover template to Image:Garden-12a.gif for you.  &mdash; Catherine\talk 04:14, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Soundgarden updates
You're really doing some nice things with these articles. The template looks good, although a little large. I'll let you keep working on it for now, once you're satisfied I may see if I can find a more compact way to organize the entries.

Can I ask where the pictures on the Soundgarden and Chris Cornell articles came from? As I said above, we probably can't use them here -- the copyrights belong to someone else. See Copyrights and Image use policy.

We can use, , , ,  or , however, since they were issued as press release/promo photos -- use the tag promophoto. (I know, it's a stupid and fuzzy line -- just trust me, the others will probably get deleted, these shouldn't.)

Keep up the good work! &mdash; Catherine\talk 01:59, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Adminship
For now, if you want to become an admin, I would just concentrate on getting more good edits done, and becoming familiar with Wikipedia policies and styles. Do that, and I'll be happy to nominate you myself, explaining how I feel you've grown from someone who started with "vandalism" into a very good contributor.

You'll become eligible for adminship when you've had about three months of active editing, and about 1000 edits. You first started here November of last year, but a lot of that was experimenting; I would say that most people would count your active contributions starting from June, so you can be nominated at the beginning of September. According to the Edit Count tool, you have 73 edits to articles so far. Do a little bit of work every day, or every couple of days, and "about 1000" will be here before you know it. Edit anything that interests you (bands, cars, TV shows, subjects you study at school, anything) -- you can even hit "Random page" and see if there's anything you can add or any spelling errors you can fix or links you can make. Not every random page is interesting to me (so I just hit the link again), but I still learn a lot of fun things that way.

Be nice to others -- working well with strangers is the key to being a good admin. Stay calm even if you disagree with a change they made to an article you're working on: just explain on the talk page what you think is right, and ask why they made the change they did, and you'll be able to find a way to make the article work for both of you.

Become familiar with Policies and guidelines -- read the "Key Policies" section, and follow the links under "Other policies and guidelines". Read the parts of manual of style that interest you -- nobody perfectly follows every style rule, but you need to at least be familiar with them. Follow the links at Administrators' reading list. The Community Portal is also a good place to find links to different pages that explain how we do things. (It's a lot of reading, and probably too many rules, LOL; don't worry, there's no test, but you'll be doing yourself a big favor if you read this stuff a little bit at a time over the next few months.) Ask questions if something doesn't make sense to you.

Don't submit any more copyright violations (text copied from other websites, or images we can't use) -- this will really hurt your chances of approval. Understanding copyright issues is tricky, but VERY important to being an admin.

People voting at Requests for adminship will examine your user contributions (click the "My contributions" link at the top of the page if you want to see what they'll be looking at), they'll want to see: enough edits, that you're familiar with Wikipedia rules, and that you're calm and nice even when disagreeing with others. They'll also be looking for a useful Edit summary for the majority of your edits (read that page for details) -- it helps people at RfA understand what you're doing and that you take your editing seriously.

That's enough for now -- please keep asking questions and I'll be happy to help. &mdash; Catherine\talk 1 July 2005 02:20 (UTC)

Pumpkins
No sweat...thanks for the info! May Billy Corgan shine his face upon thee. :^P - Lucky 6.9 1 July 2005 04:20 (UTC)

Oof. Sounds like you really have your work cut out for you. Have fun! - Lucky 6.9 1 July 2005 04:33 (UTC)

Pumpkin overload!! Looks good! - Lucky 6.9 1 July 2005 16:17 (UTC)

Soundgarden singles
Sounds great. Niteowlneils 3 July 2005 03:12 (UTC)

The IP
You'll have to link me to some specific problems. Snowspinner July 3, 2005 18:27 (UTC)
 * Assuming that's the same IP as you asked me about, I'd have to agree with Snowspinner. Also, if you need to reach multiple admins quickly, might I recommend WP:AN/I or WP:VIP? Finally, we generally do not perma-block IP addresses, since they may get reassigned to someone else. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; July 4, 2005 17:37 (UTC)

Live 8
Don't need to double wikify artists that had already been mentioned in the lineup. Thanks. --Madchester July 4, 2005 17:45 (UTC)

Punk ideology
Hey thanks. I spent alot of time researching it, mostly by reading Craig O'Hara's book. Most of the response to the article has been critical so its nice to hear something good about it. TimMony 6 July 2005 02:02 (UTC)

Adminship again
Be patient, Jobe. Most people who vote on Requests for adminship won't even consider you until you have 1000 edits, and some want to see more than that. Re-read my reply above, and keep reading Wikipedia policy pages.

The best way to get people to know you is simply to participate. Most of your efforts should go toward working on articles, since that's what we're here for. However, you can also get to know other users by participating in some of the behind-the-scenes work. I'd suggest helping with the Collaboration of the week, and voting regularly on Featured article candidates -- and remember, don't just vote, but explain your reasons, this is what helps people get to know and trust you. It might also do you good to watch Copyright problems too, and start participating in discussions there as you start to understand the process. Votes for deletion is another place to get to know others, but don't get sucked into that as the only place you participate -- there's so much going on there that it would be easy to do nothing but watch that page all day, but it's much more important to work in the article space.

By the way, can you tell me why you want to be an admin? Do you understand that it does not give you power over other users? It is, essentially, a janitor's job -- it just gives you a few extra tools to help you clean up the place. :) &mdash; Catherine\talk 9 July 2005 01:28 (UTC)

Image:03 Queen Of Winter, Throned.ogg
Remember the OGG file you uploaded at 19:33, 3 July 2005 (UTC)? You know, an exact copy of the entire recording of "Queen Of Winter Throned" from Cradle of Filth's Live Bait For The Dead album. When I heard it, it seemed that you copyied it directly from the CD. Whether it was some sort of test or not, it was a blatant copyvio of a copyrighted song. As a result, I had to speedy delete it instead of letting this OGG file sit on WP:CP for a few days. Don't you ever do that again! Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:50, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * So you also uploaded the song on Commons as well... Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:56, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Regarding the deletion of 'Weeman the fisherman'
I thought that I would just inform you that: the original author of the article removed the  tag you had placed there; I had put it up at 'Votes for deletion' as it seems to be better classifed as a hoax than patent nonsense, and after the original author had removed the   tag, I thought it suitable to tag it with a   in accordance with Vfd procedure. Compliments, Seeaxid 06:29, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Release date for Apple by Mother Love Bone
Hey, I just found out you added a release date (March 20, 1990) for Apple by Mother Love Bone. What source are you using that's telling you that or how do know it? -- Mike Garcia | talk 00:21, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

RE: Trumpet & Guitar

 * Thanks. I also play Tenor Sax. It's fun to fool around w/ music theory when you learn guitar. &mdash; Il&gamma;&alpha;&eta;&epsilon;&rho;   (T&alpha;l&kappa;) '' 03:35, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Lol...I'd start on the alto sax. It may be harder switching from a brass instrument to a woodwind than going from scratch as I had done. Basically it's getting used to the buttons, and the mouthpiece [ugh...the troubles I had with getting used to trumpet mouthpieces.] Otherwise it's probably as easy to learn as any other basic wind instrument (basic in my mind as opposed to doube-reeded instruments or absolutely weird/exotic instruments). &mdash; Il&gamma;&alpha;&eta;&epsilon;&rho;   (T&alpha;l&kappa;) '' 04:15, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

VfD
You certainly won't qualify to be an admin until you learn to do VfD's properly. You must create the Votes for deletion/ article giving a reason for deletion and add it to the VfD log for the day in question. -- RHaworth 07:21, 2005 July 18 (UTC)

Room a thousand years wide.
Question answered at Talk:Room_A_Thousand_Years_Wide. &mdash; Jeandré, 2005-07-20t23:23z

vandalism
your edit said that you were reverting vandalism. however, you changed "oxygen" to "carbon dioxide". can you explain your edit comment? xoxo, Avriette 00:20, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

re:Stub types
My mistake. With all this RC patrol, I must have gotten it mixed up with another article that tried to use a non-existent stub type. Reverted. Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 20:41, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

Re: Trumpet

 * See...I play trumpet, guitar, and t. sax so I'd have something to move to :D (and trumpet is my new instrument). Well I have no braces, but I have friends who have braces. They tell me it's hard to re-learn how to play trumpet. &mdash; Il&gamma;&alpha;&eta;&epsilon;&rho;   (T&alpha;l&kappa;) '' 02:18, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh wait I've had this discussion with you lol. &mdash; Il&gamma;&alpha;&eta;&epsilon;&rho;   (T&alpha;l&kappa;) '' 02:22, 27 July 2005 (UTC)


 * You may be interested in This category and This category. &mdash; Il&gamma;&alpha;&eta;&epsilon;&rho;   (T&alpha;l&kappa;) '' 02:22, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Re: Nirvana - punk?
Hi Jobe6:

Well, allmusic.com would differ Jobe6. http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:995h8qptbtq4 I mean, what other form of music could have the power and juice to single handedly deal a death blow to the bloated hair metal that was so prevalent at the time? While admittedly they melded metal into their sound as well, there is little doubt that Nirvana is punk. I knew Nirvana was punk the first time I heard it. If not punk, then what? "Grunge"? That's a bogus term. Metal? There is more to the story than that, for sure. "Alternative", - that term is way too ambiguous. Nirvana was prominently featured in the recent documentary "Punk: Attitude". I am actually puzzled that one might think that this music is *not* punk, and believe me, I know my punk. Since you seem to specialize in Soundgarden, (who were more metal than anything), perhaps you are defending the term "grunge" as an actual artistic movement, in the simillar vein as punk? I don't care what Kurt said while he was headed downhill, he was probably a complete wreck at the time, you can't go by that or some booklet in a compliation album. I know punk when I hear it, and I am very confident of this assertion. Listen to "Breed", or "Negative Creep" and tell me this is not punk. Perhaps you did not realize that you actually like punk rock music?

PS - Google for the phrase Nirvana + punk returns 756,000 hits - I am quite certain that they are not all saying "Nirvana is not punk". Take a look!

Regards - Ron

Re:User talk:Redwolf24/Bands
Just saying thanks for the suggestions. I was gonna get around to getting some Cure some time... Anyways I appreciate it. Redwolf24 21:24, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Your changes to God
Do not remove the contents of Wikipedia articles. It is considered Vandalism and can get you blocked from editing. FreplySpang (talk) 17:51, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi Jobe6, I thought it might be something like that. It seemed really out of character for you. Anyway, no harm done, since it's stopped. Happy editing! FreplySpang (talk) 23:10, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

Wikiproject Albums/Needs infobox conversion
Well, I'm glad you like the idea. I noticed that while a lot of old mainstream/important bands have boxes... they are of the old style and should be updated. Uniformity is good for this... plus, I find it more difficult to add elements to the old style... One misgiving I have is that I think templates take more effort from the server... even though they are easier than using subst: to paste the raw code. In any case, thanks for the support. :) gren グレン 20:59, 24 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I'm not sure... I've never seen more than one chronology... when would you need it? gren グレン 04:47, 25 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I just saw Their_Satanic_Majesties_Request... is that what you mean? for US vs UK versions and the like? I'm not sure what is proper... I recommend asking on the album project page. If all else fails you can use raw code... but just do it with new style and not old. gren グレン 04:51, 25 August 2005 (UTC)


 * G3: Live in Concert concert is an anomaly... if you look at the album-project page I think it more or less says that you don't need to add anything but main albums to chronology... like, I don't think we're supposed to add every single, live, and greatest hit even though some have them... if you add a "subst:" before the template name it will paste code and then all you have to do is copy the chronology code to right below the chronology code and change the necessary stuff. I would ask at the album-project page if you haven't... they'd probably be able to answer what is best.  I'd personally use I and then subst: it and modify it with the the new chronology... therefore you have a complete version of the template with one chronology saved in case they ever change style again. gren グレン 13:42, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism?
That was not vandalism. I was removing machine-translated content that was unreadable. I've been here since February 2004 to know very well what vandalism is. —Cantus&hellip; &#9742;   04:25, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Category:Millennial Wikipedians
Category:Millennial Wikipedians has been listed on categories for deletion. Since you are using it on your user page please weigh in on the vote and that of the other generational categories here. Thanks. -JCarriker 20:17, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Re: Jerry Garcia
No. I'm not related to any famous Garcias. -- Mike Garcia | talk 21:23, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Re:Forging

 * I faintly recall writing that a very long time ago. Besides, I'm not sure why he'd want to forge it in that case. Thanks for the warning, however. Cheers &mdash; Il&gamma;&alpha;&eta;&epsilon;&rho;   (T&alpha;l&kappa;) '' 00:47, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Annoying vandal
Indeed, but sooner or later he'll get bored and go away. &mdash; Dan | Talk 07:28, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

User:Notanerd
Is this user the same as you? He's pasted the contents of your talk page into his. &mdash; Dan | Talk 15:05, 28 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I reported it here. Ann Heneghan (talk) 18:27, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Jtkiefer's RFA
Thanks for your support on my RFA. Jtkiefer T - 05:27, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Kanye West
Thanks for helping revert the vandalism on that article. This is going to get ugly (vandalism). I will help watch it when I can, but need to step away for a few hours. - Lestatdelc

HI!!
Hi its me how are you doing? Es Verdad que tu ere de Peru? Hablas Portugues tambien? (Yo no hablo Espanol bein pero me gusta Todo Sul America (except for Argentina of course)) ObrigadoWiki brah 15:00, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Admin help
Is there anyway for my IP to unblocked? Job E  6   16:16, 22 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Lucky I still had your talk page on my watchlist! In all likelihood you're sharing an IP with a blocked user. You need to post the IP address or ID number from your block message. If you're concerned about giving that out, please e-mail me or another admin. Rhobite 16:36, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * this is the IP 24.254.92.184 Job  E  6  [[Image:Peru flag large.png|20px]] 17:12, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * That IP is not blocked. I need the actual number from the block message (should look like "#12345"). Also please check your computer for open proxies, it doesn't look like you are using a shared IP address. This means your computer may be compromised, or someone else may be vandalizing Wikipedia from your computer. Rhobite 18:08, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * This is the number #38866.  Job  E  6  [[Image:Peru flag large.png|20px]] 18:55, 22 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Your buddy User:Ruairidi did a bunch of page move vandalism this morning from your computer - that's why you're blocked. If you assure me that you'll keep your friends from vandalizing Wikipedia from now on, I'll unblock you. Rhobite 19:54, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It wasn't from my computer. We are connected on a network with the same IP and after looking at the times it was when i had a doctor's appointment. I talked to him earlier and said he was blocked forever so hopefully he wont be back. Job  E  6  [[Image:Peru flag large.png|20px]] 19:58, 22 September 2005 (UTC)


 * You're unblocked, but if you can't control the edits coming from your IP address you're just going to find yourself blocked again. Rhobite 20:20, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * RHOBITE please tell User:Golbez to stop blocking me. I havent done anything since you un blocked me. Job  E  6  [[Image:Peru flag large.png|20px]] 21:30, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

It's not his fault, you were blocked again because your buddy (who has the same IP address as you) kept trying to come back to Wikipedia. There's not much that anyone can do about this, it's sort of a bug with Wikipedia's autoblocker feature. It's not Golbez's fault. I recommend that you stop sharing your Internet connection with your friend, or if you control the router, you could block his computer from visiting Wikipedia. Rhobite 22:13, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry for bugging you again but could you unblock me. Job  E  6  [[Image:Peru flag large.png|20px]] 22:20, 22 September 2005 (UTC)