User talk:Jodyhadlock

September 2021
Hello, Jodyhadlock. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Diamond Bessie, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. --John B123 (talk) 23:40, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi John, I don't have a personal relationship to Diamond Bessie or anyone else involved in that story as they're all dead. Bessie was killed in 1877. I wrote a novel about her and of course did a ton of research. Nearly everything on the page is WRONG. I'm just trying to correct it and cite primary sources as most of the citations on the page link to websites, to people who haven't done the research and have been posting misinformation. Am I allowed to post my website? If not, I'll delete it. Thanks. Jody Jodyhadlock (talk) 00:40, 12 September 2021 (UTC) Did someone delete all my changes????? WHY???? The information on the page is WRONG. Maybe it's a mistake. But I just logged on again to delete my website and it looks like my changes aren't there. Diamond Bessie was NOT Annie Stone. Her real name was Annie Moore. She was born in County Cork, Ireland in 1850. I had corrected the wrong birthdate and even linked to the Irish genealogy website that has her baptismal record. Now I'm going to have to re-edit???? It took me a while to do this. I'M PISSED. Jody Jodyhadlock (talk) 01:20, 12 September 2021 (UTC)


 * The Irish genealogy website shows the baptism of an Annie Moore, it does not show that this child was to become Diamond Bessie. If her hair and eye colours were wrong then you need to add a reliable source to confirm that. Please see WP:VERIFY and reference any changes you make. --John B123 (talk) 08:16, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

I just added a newspaper article from March 9, 1877 in the Watertown Times (NY) entitled "Annie Stone or Annie Moore?" The reporter back then did some investigating and determined that Diamond Bessie was Annie Moore and that she was from Canton, NY. The article mistakenly says Bessie was a native of Canton, but nevertheless, the article dispels the rumor that she was Annie Stone. Of course, back then news didn't travel as fast as today and unfortunately that bit of news never made it outside NY. I had to upload the article to my website as I only have a jpeg and create a unique url for it. The article is linked on my website in the "What's Fact & Fiction" section. I hope this is okay. It was the only way I could think of to include the article as a citation. Jody Jodyhadlock (talk) 19:19, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I've formatted the reference to the piece, the way it came across before was that your site was the source rather than you were just hosting a clipping. If you have a look at WP:UNDUE, where one source disagrees with multiple other sources that source is usually ignored in favour of the other sources, or a mention is given to that viewpoint after the 'majority' view. Certainly we don't disregard the multiple sources in favour of the one. The article only put forward an argument that she was born Annie Moore rather than definitive proof. I would suggest the lead of the article should be Diamond Bessie (1854 - January 21, 1877) was the popular name given to Bessie Moore, née Annie Stone (although other sources give her birth name as Annie Moore). --John B123 (talk) 22:47, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I just added your suggested phrasing. I have to point out that all those other citations also don't provide any definitive proof of Bessie's identity. I've read Fred Tarpley's and Traylor Russell's books and they published the information they had at the time, which unfortunately has proven to be wrong. In my research I have found so much erroneous information. A few others have also researched this story, and two of us worked with a few different genealogists to nail down who she really was. I've even been to Ireland to visit Bessie's birthplace in County Cork. I don't have time to work on the Wikipedia entry anymore for a bit, but when I get back to it, I'll keep in mind what I can and can't do as an editor on Wiki and provide the primary sources/correct citations! Jody Jodyhadlock (talk) 00:40, 14 September 2021 (UTC)