User talk:JoeE PPC PubAssist

Creating this talk page to facilitate communication with other editors and with admins. Should be little used.JoeE PPC PubAssist (talk) 20:58, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Prelim draft beginning, Steptoe & Johnson PLLC article
First, my apologies for the length of this very long note. If you've arrived here from my sandbox, it may be because I've asked for your guidance in getting a Wikipedia-compliant article online –– and because I won't dump this text into someone else's talk page. This is for background to put the article draft in context.

I am an employee of a small publishing company in Morgantown, West Virginia. Steptoe & Johnson PLLC, a law firm headquartered in Bridgeport, WV, has tasked us with developing an article that will conform to Wikipedia’s exacting standards. (We have done other work for them in the past, but not for electronic media.) Their first effort (authored by an employee of S&J PLLC) was deleted permanently in August 2015. At the time, the article read more like an advertisement and lacked any documentation, whatsoever. It presented no claim of notability. I believe it may actually have been tagged “Blow it up and start over.” S&J PLLC let the matter lie but have now decided to try once more.

And yes, I’ve blown it up and am starting from scratch.

A disclaimer of sorts
This is my first Wikipedia effort and I'm determined to get it right. That's why it's in my sandbox and not "at large" where it might reflect unfavorably on our client.

Two Steptoe & Johnsons, one parent firm, and one Wikipedia article to date
FWIW: the Washington, DC, firm of Steptoe & Johnson LLP, currently has an article for their firm at Wikipedia. That firm spun off from Steptoe & Johnson in 1980. The trademark “Steptoe & Johnson” redirects to their article. Technically, the separation agreement specifies that both firms enjoy equal entitlement to the name, but we’re not going to open that can of worms! It will be just fine if we can get a S&J PLLC article up and running.

My goal is to get a more inclusive presentation of the original firm's history from 1913 through 1980, with an eye to establishing a legitimate claim to notability.

Structure and improvements (?)
Starting points: no disambiguation page. I doubt that Wikipedians would permit such a page when neither law firm is all that notable to the public at large in the US, to say nothing of internationally. I have started this brief draft with a hatnote pointing the reader to the existing article for S&J LLP if they happen on ours accidentally — simply a courtesy to the reader.

As to references, I know I need to improve the citations.

The original firm of Steptoe & Johnson was involved in matters of some national significance in the years before 1980 and that are not mentioned by the Washington firm. These include the ill-fated Steptoe Gas Bill effectively overturned by SCOTUS in 1923. Firm co-founder Philip P. Steptoe appeared twice before SCOTUS, arguing on behalf of the State of West Virginia against the States of Pennsylvania and Ohio.

(This is as far as my first draft goes.)

Steptoe Gas Bill (notable?) with actual references
The Steptoe Gas Bill probably does not warrant its own article, but it was of national interest, especially to gas producers, in the years between 1919 and 1923. I’ve tracked down Internet sources with the relevant SCOTUS decision (e.g., Pennsylvania v. West Virginia, 263 U.S. 350), as well as a journal article detailing testimony before a Supreme Court law master. What may make this case notable in the judgement of Wikipedia is that West Virginia’s attempt to restrict shipments of natural gas to customers in PA and OH was found to violate the Commerce Clause, even though it may have seemed like a no-brainer when passed. After granting an injunction against the bill in 1921, the High Court killed it by refusing to lift the injunction in 1923. Readers can view transcripts of the full text of the Steptoe Gas Bill, as well as Justice Willis Van Devanter's majority opinion in refusing to lift the injunction, by following the URL in a footnote. Although it might just be a tangent, Justices Brandeis and Holmes, both noteworthy members of the Court in their own right, offered dissenting opinions.

Next steps
WP:YFA, WP:RS, WP:NOTPROMOTION: I've perused these but plan to give them a much harder look and measure the article against them. Perhaps there are others that could be suggested? Or maybe I'll plow through the Missing Manual.

Other additions that I hope might support a claim to notability: S&J’s involvement in litigation arising from the coal waste flood in Buffalo Creek (1972) and the cooling tower collapse at Willow Island (1978). Both of these West Virginia disasters received national press coverage and both are the subject of articles in Wikipedia. More recently, S&J PLLC attorneys were involved in the aftermath of the coal mine disaster at the Upper Big Branch mine (2010) in southern West Virginia.

JoeE PPC PubAssist (talk) 21:49, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

About User:JoeE PPC PubAssist/sandbox
I have taken a look and I am afraid it fails WP:NCORP. I just don't see how it argues for its importance. See also WP:YELLOWPAGES. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:08, 29 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Let me say I appreciate your disclosure and politeness, and let me give you a tip to pass on: if a company wants a Wikipedia entry, the best way to go around it is to get some coverage about itself. Something like an article about its significance and importance. Preferably published in some venue that has longer tradition and bigger outreach, as there is plenty of new internet you-pay-we-publish-your-story sites that do not confer much notability (just like press releases are ignored in our sources). See the following discussions for examples of what makes a company like that more likely to be kept: Articles_for_deletion/Davis_Graham_%26_Stubbs or the comment at the bottom of Talk:Brownstein Hyatt Farber Schreck. You may also find reading entries in WikiProject Deletion sorting/Law illuminating (see history for more). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:57, 30 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks once again. I'm noting the discussions you've included and will pass those along to my employer. (I'm getting ready to retire at year's end and the law firm will need to pick up the ball from this point forward, if they are determined to proceed.) Best wishes.

JoeE PPC PubAssist (talk) 18:50, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Cheers. May I encourage you to continue contributing to Wikipedia on topics you'll chose this time for a change? This is a fun site, if one does wiki editing for fun :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:00, 1 December 2016 (UTC)