User talk:JoeHebda/Archive 2014

Overlinking
It is helpful to provide Wikilinks to articles about subjects which may be unfamiliar to the reader, but it clutters an article when there are too many links to common words. You have overlinked in Sensationalism. Please do not add links to so many common and well-understood terms. Please read Manual of Style/Linking before you add more links in articles. Also, please preview your changes and make sure that the new link actually goes to a relevant article, and not to a disambiguation page as some of your links do. Thanks. Edison (talk) 17:46, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I see that in adding links to St. Lawrence Seminary High School you also overlinked in some cases. though some of the links were quite appropriate and helpful. Do you really think the reader needs to be steered to United States, for instance? Edison (talk) 18:39, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Seems to be somewhat of a gray area...So any words that are 'common & well-understood' should be skipped? Thanks for the advice. Just started on wikipedia this spring & now that I'm retired, can do more from time to time.

For St. Lawrence Seminary High School a good portion of the students are not from US, so I thought United States would be helpful, especially for any parents, relatives, friends that may be reading this page from foreign countries. Again, I can do additional un-linking as you suggest.

Just got back from doing a few errands & see that Sensationalism page is corrected. I will now red line on my notepapers all the links removed. A great way for me to learn. Thanks. JoeHebda (talk) 15:48, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Found this page about overlinking and found it to be valuable. User:Tony1/Build_your_linking_skills JoeHebda (talk) 02:44, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Catholic-Hierarchy.org
Howdy, I just wanted to introduce myself. I added a response to your comment on the talk page. Whether or not my website should be used as a source for Wiki is not a question I can answer - that is for this community to decide. But I would be happy to answer any questions about the website. --Dcheney (talk) 04:45, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Catholic Church in the United States
Navigational templates must contain the article in which they are placed. The American church is just too low level an article in which to place The Catholicism template. And "by country" is way too indirect to be considered "inclusion." That template looks more like a portal anyway. Kind of high level. WP:EXISTING kind of makes that clearer. There has been much discussion about this in the past but this is the outcome. Student7 (talk) 18:40, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I understand, so as I make my next pass through articles that I've updated, will remove cath.template. JoeHebda (talk) 14:08, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Diocese links?
I noticed you're adding Diocese links to a number of pages. I'm afraid I don't see how they're appropriate per Wikipedia's external linking policy. If the only relationship of a link to a page is tangential or of a parent-child hierarchy -- in which case the link would not serve to provide a general resource for more information about the subject of the article -- it's typically not appropriate. The one I first noticed was Bishop Hendricken High School, which already links to the Wikipedia article Roman Catholic Diocese of Providence, which is where the link would, of course be appropriate and where a reader would be looking for more information about that topic. --&mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 22:43, 31 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks User:Rhododendrites for letting me know. That is a woops for me. Today I'll go back and correct those articles. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 10:36, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Not a great big deal, of course (it's not like you're spamming some personal business of yours), and I didn't look closely at what articles you added it to so some may be perfectly appropriate. Anyway, thanks. --&mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 15:11, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * After a little more digging, wondering if these would be better Ext. links? People looking at these school articles could be teachers and parents as well as students.
 * National Association of Catholic School Teachers
 * National Association of Private Catholic and Independent Schools
 * National Federation of Catholic Youth Ministry - USA
 * Sorry if above are not indented--don't know how to do that. JoeHebda (talk) 15:22, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, the question isn't what might be useful, because tons of things might be useful to a reader who might be searching for a given reason, coming from a certain background, etc. Because they're subject to abuse, link to places Wikipedia can't monitor and has no responsibility for, etc. external link use is purposefully limited to things like official websites and general resources for the subject (general as in providing a resource relating directly to the subject such that anyone reading could gain additional information about the subject by clicking).
 * ...Wikilinks, however, are not so tightly controlled -- and in fact it's pretty rare that something is unwikilinked. That's how we link people to information on other subjects they may find useful. So we link to teacher, education, Catholic education]], Roman Catholic Diocese of Providence, etc. If one of those organizations has a Wikipedia article and a school is a member, it would make sense to add, for example, "Such and such high school is part of the National Association of Catholic School Teachers". It would then be that article which would have the external link to the organization's website, which would then be appropriate as anyone looking at that article could learn more about the subject by clicking it.
 * I don't know if I'm explaining that well, so I'd recommend taking a look through WP:EL. PS: to indent a bulletpoint, you can just add the colons before the asterisk. --&mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 16:10, 2 January 2015 (UTC)