User talk:Joelajackson

October 2015
Hello, Joelajackson. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Cessna 206, you may have a conflict of interest. People with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, see the conflict of interest guideline and frequently asked questions for organizations. In particular, please:


 * avoid editing or creating articles related to you, your organization, its competitors, or projects and products you or they are involved with;
 * instead, propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (see the template);
 * avoid linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
 * exercise great caution so that you do not violate Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use require disclosure of your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation.

Please familiarize yourself with relevant policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, sourcing, and autobiographies. Thank you. Please stop adding text and spammy links ato your company's products in aircraft type articles. Ahunt (talk) 22:16, 5 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello Ahunt. The entry for CAV Ice Protection for the Cessna 210 has been removed. The entry was present before I made modifications to it and should remain visible. Such as is stated for other modifications, I simply stated the factual information available without SPAM or advertising and do not have a conflict of interest. If you compare my entry with other modifications, there is no difference except that I was honest about posting on behalf of the company.Joelajackson (talk) 13:30, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


 * In addition, there were no spammy links. The links for each aircraft pointed to an aircraft supplemental type certificate (STC) granted to CAV Ice Protection by a credible governmental organization known as the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).


 * I removed them because most aircraft light types have hundreds of STC mods available and we normally only mention major ones, like changes to powerplant or major airframe changes. The additional of TKS de-icing is minor in comparison. Your additional of links to company products across a range of aircraft type articles is fundamentally promotional in nature and Wikipedia does not exist to promote your company's products. As explained at WP:COI if you think these should be added to aircraft type articles then bring it up on the article talk page and it will be assessed by neutral editors who are not in a conflict of interest or trying to promote products to see if they think it should be included or not. - Ahunt (talk) 15:15, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello Ahunt. The following message is from our Technical Representative who is a licensed A&P, IA and a pilot. "By adding content to Wikipedia, CAV Ice Protection adds an additional way for people interested in aviation to be able to find more information about the TKS Ice Protection System and the aircraft it is installed on. We are not doing it for promotional purposes. The addition of the TKS system is by definition an alteration to the aircraft and requires an FAA Form 337 to be completed. The Supplemental Type Certificate (STC) includes updates to the weight and balance information, as well as to operating limitations. When the TKS system is added, the electrical system of the aircraft is altered, and one or two tanks, depending on the aircraft type, is added to the airframe. Holes are cut into the airframe for the addition of filler ports. Holes are cut into the leading edges of the wings and tail surfaces for plumbing to be routed to titanium panels that are bonded to the surface. Pumps, electric switches and control panels are added to the interior's instrument panel. This modification is much larger than changing and adding a larger engine. In comparison, the larger engine bolts to the same mount, uses the same controls and, in most cases, uses the same engine gauges with different limits marked. I have 30 years in the industry as an aircraft mechanic/inspector and am also a pilot and aircraft owner. I would like to have the opportunity to discuss this matter with you in order to clear up any further questions you may have."


 * I hope the information is helpful in understanding more about the TKS Ice Protection System and its significance as a major airframe change. In addition to being aftermarket modifications, the systems are a factory option for some new general aviation aircraft OEMs, such as the Cirrus SR22, Mooney M20, Cessna TTx, Cessna 208 Caravan, Quest Kodiak and more, that install the titanium panels as part of the airframe itself and are not bonded pieces. The systems have also been and are on UAV aircraft for military programs around the world, including the General Atomics RQ-1 Predator.


 * Thank you for your referral to the article talk page(s). There I will bring the topic of TKS Ice Protection for each aircraft. Would you suggest to copy and paste the information on how it is a major airframe change to each talk page inquiry?Joelajackson (talk) 18:41, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for all the tech talk, but I have many more years in the industry than that, many as a test pilot, so I understand what is involved in installing mods like this. The same claims could be made for any of the hundreds of mods available for most production light aircraft and Wikipedia us not going to list them all just to help a mod company sell more products. You can bring each case up on the talk pages for each article if you like. - Ahunt (talk) 19:58, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

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