User talk:Joelr31/Archive2

Independence series box
At first I just wanted to have some way of grouping the events, groups, and people from across Puerto Rico's history. I thought a category might be a good way, but since they tend to be so much more specific, I thought a series box might be better. The original was based on United States history (sidebar), and the it was intended to be a series box, along the lines of Euromericas. But since the articles aren't really part of a series as such, and because it grew so large, it got expanded across the whole page (Tony was helping me fill it up), so I figured it would go better as a footer. So far I've only put it on the major articles, and I'm totally open to any suggestions, whether they be technical, structural, or aesthetic. Make the changes you see fit, or if you want me to do something, just let me know. PAZ,--Rockero 03:34, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

WikiProjects
I have wondered about the WikiProject idea. The problem that comes up with a Caribbean WikiProject is that it ends up being too broad and too uneven. There's good coverage on Puerto Rico and Trinidad and Tobago, but beyond that, there's a lot of holes. In addition, I'm not sure how it would mesh with the Puerto Rico WikiProject. I think that a Trinidad and Tobago WikiProject would be workable, maybe with a Caribbean WikiProject as the "parent" project to coordinate overall things like a Caribbean Ecology project. Or is that something we could do through the noticeboard? It's like the Caribbean Portal. Although I didn't start it, I tried to keep the news updated, but I found it difficult. I could update Trinidad news, or Puerto Rican news, or Jamaican news, but it's too much work to try to find an online newspaper for each island and then decide which three to five stories should be in there. On the other hand, if you go to something like AP or BBC, there just isn't enough "Caribbean" news.

WikiProjects seem too top-level for me, but there doesn't seem to be anything more intermediate. I suppose a Caribbean WikiProject which could link to Puerto Rico, Trinidad and Tobago, Caribbean Ecology...

The other thing I was thinking about, but I don't know how to do it within the existing structure, is an "editor's guide". People come along all the time and add stuff to the T&T country article which is already well covered in some specific article. They have no idea how much depth there is. On the other hand, the category system is too opaque - it's hard to figure out how much depth there is in there. I don't want to create another Portal, and I don't think Portals are the best way to work anyway - I want something that would tell a new editor "this is what we have" and then nudge him or her along towards appropriate areas. But where would that go, and how would that link to the main TT page? Guettarda 18:50, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

African immigration to Puerto Rico
O.K. mi hermano, I know that you've already seen my new article African immigration to Puerto Rico. I would like to know what you think of it. Tony the Marine 05:15, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Gracias, I'm looking into the Chinese immigration to Puerto Rico(It was titled "Chinese Puerto Rican" before). I'm going to upload an image of the "Chinese Exclution Act of 1880" and an image of an early immigrant.  Tony the Marine 17:03, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Puerto Rican Politics
Sure, I would love to have an infobox for the PIP candidates, however, I'm pretty sure that only Ruben Berrios has an article in wikipedia. So, it would be better to start working on the candidates biographies before doing the infoboxes.&lt;&lt;Coburn_Pharr&gt;&gt; 22:43, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

My RfA
My RfA recently closed and it was a success, passing at 84-02-00. I would like to thank you for taking the time to weigh in and on your subsequent support. And I know it's quite cliche, but if you ever need any assistance and/or want another opinion on something, grab a Pepsi and don't hesitate to drop me a line on my talk page. Thanks again. Pepsidrinka 05:03, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Congradulations
All your work and efforts on the "History of Puerto Rico" have finally paid off. Your contributions to Wikipedia have truly contributed to giving a positive image of Puerto Rico to thousands of readers. God bless you, Tony the Marine 17:16, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

T&T Topics
Thanks very much. I may tweak it a little, but it looks good to me. Guettarda 20:46, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

PR herps
Good job. I like it a lot. You might want to try a different system of footnotes - as it, you can't tell what it is you clicked on to get there. Guettarda 18:03, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Consult
Joel, how you doing? I was looking at the article "Puerto Rico" and saw this written "Originally named San Juan Bautista, in honor of Saint John the Baptist, the island ultimately took the name of Puerto Rico (meaning Rich Port and was changed from Porto Rico; the name given by the Portuguese before the Spaniards), while the name San Juan is now delegated to its capital and largest city.". I never in my life heard anything about the Portuguese beening related to the naming of Puerto Rico, did you? I may be wrong but, I removed the part "(meaning Rich Port and was changed from Porto Rico; the name given by the Portuguese before the Spaniards)," and that's why I'm consulting you. I mean what did the Portuguese ever have to do with naming anything in Puerto Rico? As far as I know, it was the Americans after the Spanish-American War who changed the name to Porto Rico. Please inform me. Tony the Marine 02:02, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Stupid edit war on abortion
Evil is once again edit-warring, this time on Pro-life. Since you're involved, I figured I should drop you a note. Alienus 23:12, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

birds of Puerto Rico
Excellent work! It's sometimes hard to attract attention to bird related articles but it's good to see more people working on them. If you need a pair of eyes to look over something in the future leave me a message and I'll try and have a go. Sabine's Sunbird talk 15:04, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I've tweaked Elfin-woods Warbler a bit, using Curson, Quinn and Beadle,New World Warblers ISBN 0-7136-3932-6 as the source. Nice, well researched article, but I think the main problem you will have in seeking FA status is that there is only one image of the bird, and none of the habitat, jimfbleak 19:37, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The alternative name is given in Curson et al, as above. However, a Google came up with no hits for P R Warbler, so it seems to have no currency and should perhaps be deleted. Jim


 * I'm no expert on FAs, but my guess would still be that you will need more images of the species itself to have a chance. It's a real uphill struggle - see Chew Valley Lake and albatross for very good articles that still didn't make it. It's also difficult to see where you can get more data from to build up the article. jimfbleak 15:08, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, both Chew Valley Lake and Albatross were promoted. The best way to get an idea of what is required is to look at Featured article candidates, reading the nominated articles and then the comments people make when they choose to support or oppose the nomination. I don't think that a lack of images is actually a criteria to oppose, lack of references and depth is. I can try and help you in areas that require expansion, if it is possible, it would be an interesting case if the article is short because it is the sum of knowledge about the species, whether that would be sufficient. At any rate, it isn;t quite there yet. Sabine's Sunbird talk 08:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me copyedit your article on the Yellow-shouldered Blackbird. It's a nicely-done article. LilTigre 21:24, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Tree of Life
I would like to create one. My technical skills aren't so great, but I know a friend or two. You can start it if you'd like. Bibliomaniac15 22:57, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Re:List of Puerto Ricans
You are absolutely right. Everyday I see people adding names of people who are NN and I keep reverting. I know that we have a lot of talent but, just because a person, let's say, participated in a movie does not automaticly make him notable. I'm with you, what do you suggest? We have to take a good look at the singers and actors sections especially, they are overcrowded as is. Tony the Marine 03:10, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Area of Puerto Rico
Hi. Could I ask where your source for the area of Puerto Rico? We have been using UN figures recently for consistency and NPOV, and this is where the figure you changed came from. Either way, we want to make sure that all numbers are sourced. Thanks for your help. Malnova 22:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Kepler
My error, I've moved the page jimfbleak 18:57, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

RfA
I would like to nominate you for adminship. Would you accept now? Tony the Marine 05:28, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * O.K., Tony the Marine 01:59, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Alcaldia Juana Diaz.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:Alcaldia Juana Diaz.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then there needs to be an argument why we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then it needs to be specified where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If you have uploaded other media, consider checking that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Image legality questions page. Thank you. --bjh21 14:06, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

thx
Thanks for the tips, i appreciate it. peace. --Striver 08:00, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Carroll High School (Fort Wayne, Indiana) vote
Have you read Carroll High School (Fort Wayne, Indiana) and looked at its history? I understand the importance of schools and school-related articles, (I started the Wikiproject:Schools more than 2 years ago. But this article is clogging the WP servers with obscenity and libelous comments about real, living people. Davodd 23:38, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Deleting is not the most appropiate solution to the problem. Protecting the article, blocking the offending users and continued editing efforts are better solutions. Joelito 23:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Instead of the knee-jerk "It's a school, therefore it must stay" mindset that I have done myself in the past, I urge you to re-think this vote. This article and its archived edit history is clogging the WP servers with obscene name-calling, libelous comments, and attacks on real, living people. That is exposing the WP Foundation to possible legal action. It needs deleted and started over from scratch with a cleansed history. - Davodd 23:47, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * This kind of behavior also happens at Neopets, George W. Bush and many other articles but it is Wikipedia's policy to delete them. Also I have read the extensive WP:SCHOOL archives and concensus has been to keep all school articles. Take care. Joelito 00:09, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The problem is that this school's article (unlike any of the examples you cite) started out as a vandal's attack on this project. It normally would have been speedy deleted, but it's edit history is too long. The history needs purged so a real article can take its place -- and AfD is the only process we have to do this. Davodd 00:14, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for adding my sig on Rockero's RFA. KI 20:53, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Puerto Rico area per UN Demographic Yearbook
The area listed here is 8875 km2. Why is this different from your figure? In any case, the census figure for population is still incorrect. It should be 3,808,610. Polaron 03:00, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

RE: Cantus
Hello; I know! This user is restricted by the ArbCom: banned from certain articles (which he continues to edit), edits others inexplicably (without edit summaries nor discussion), and reverts to article versions that eliminate recent edits or do not conform to some ineffable standard. Cantus has also moved the article of note to the same location from which it was moved weeks ago.

This is wholly frustrating and inconsistent with Wp editing norms. I feel compelled to notify admins of his behaviour; if you wish to do so, feel free. In any event, a move request should be logged to rectify this unjustified move. Thoughts? Thanks! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 05:36, 22 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, but I don't think a move back is that simple now (I tried) and must be made by an admin. As for notifying the appropriate parties, we should do so shortly.  E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 05:50, 22 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I've posted a notice on the Wp Admin noticeboard; please feel free to edit or add to it. Thanks! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 06:31, 22 April 2006 (UTC)


 * You might be interested to learn that the following action has been taken regarding this user/sockpuppets; I hope it's effective. Anyhow, thanks.  E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 16:29, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Puerto Rican birds
Hi. Thanks for the message. I've added the warbler. I've used Birdlife's publication Endemic Bird Areas of the World: Priorities for Biodiversity Conservation as my source, and the Spindalis isn't listed there, presumably as it was still lumped when they produced that work. I'll check out their website to see what the current position is. SP-KP 15:30, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

OK. They accept the split there, and list the species as having a range well under their 50K km squared threshold, so I've added the species to the category. Thanks SP-KP 15:33, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Gracias, Joelito, por tu apoyo en mi RfA! 8)--Rockero 23:15, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Rafael Noboa
Hi Amigo, I couldn't find any source which states that he is a "Boricua". Another thing, whay I found out that he did serve in Iraq as an Army Sgt. however, his involvement was not in setting up the political machine in that country, he was assigned with his troops in the aspect of building schools. This may be a self-promotional bio with a future political agenda to it. Take care Tony the Marine 04:30, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Ayuda
MENSAJE PARA JOEL Hola Joel, de hecho fue mi foto de Evangeline Lilly la que amablemente cambiaste de ser un "link externo" a una imagen. Pero me puedes explicar cómo hacerlo? (una vez que he subido la imagen a wikiped,a cómo puedo hacer para ponerla en la página de evangeline lilly o de otra actriz? gracias!! iliana (biosstars)

Be gentle
Be gentle with 66.215.44.220 and edits to bipolar disorder. I think this is his first time, and he (or she) is writing about something very close and personal. I've written some suggestions for him. Hopefully, he will settle down some. Happy editing! Ted 04:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

PR Project collaboration of the month
I took a look at the article Economy of Puerto Rico and was a little disappointed of the lack of originality in the "History" section. After checking around, I became convinced that the section was copied from one of many sites in the web. What I'm planning on doing is to add a brief history which traces the begining of the islands economy from the 16th Century when the first economy was "Gold" mining to the developement of an agricultural economy which not only included "sugar" but, coffee, tobacco, cotton, poultry and citrus fruits such as the pineapple. Tony the Marine 04:59, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Economy of Puerto Rico
Joel, how you doing? I want you to take a look here: so, that you can get an idea of what I plan on contributing to the "History of the Puerto Ricos Economy.  Cheers, Saludos Tony the Marine 08:18, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Caramba, Gracias for your kind words. Tony the Marine 03:21, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Pedro Albizu Campos
You wrote that he died in prison, but the source you quote says he has been pardoned in 1964 en died in Hato Rey in 1965. Otto 12:01, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

2006 Puerto Rico budget crisis
Help yo, 2006 Puerto Rico budget crisis. &mdash;Joseph | Talk 07:35, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi. I noticed you've been editing this at the same time as me. I've added what I can - there was one thing, I heard a report that the Governor had actually signed an Executive Order shutting down the various government agencies, but that doesn't seem to be mentioned in any of the articles I could find. I'm not sure about the proper names (spelling, accents, etc.), and I think maybe there is more background worth mentioning (the long standing economic problems in Puerto Rico, more on the dispute over the results in 2004, and perhaps the disagreements between the parties over statehood, all of which is part of why the PNP won't approve the Governor's budgets). 172.202.0.208 03:24, 2 May 2006 (UTC) (And thanks for the welcome - I am registered, but I can never remember my username and password.)
 * Thanks - I think I've gone about as far as I can go.172.202.0.208 03:30, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I managed to remember my password after all.The Bruce 03:36, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * In answer to your last point, I got the feeling from what I've read that there is a lot of background (both historical and in terms of the ideological difference between the party that controls the two parties), so I thought it would be useful to create a seperate section for that. The media coverage doesn't seem to mention the background, just reporting that the government has run out of money. Whatever the background though, I am amazed the crisis has been brought to this and a compromise couldn't be worked out.The Bruce 03:54, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Check out the article's talk page when you get a chance please. : ) &mdash;Joseph | Talk 05:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I find your lack of faith... disturbing.
Dear ,
 * Thanks for voting on my RFA! I appreciate your comments and constructive criticism, for every bit helps me become a better Wikipedian. I've started working on the things you brought up, and I hope that next time, things run better; who knows, maybe one day we'll be basking on the shore of Admintopia together. Thanks and cheers, _-M  o   P-_  22:02, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Question-Other name
it's kiwidude. why? Newyorktimescrossword 01:49, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Beat System
Hi Joelr31, I thought I owed you a word, since I've now removed your well-intentioned CSD tag from Beat System... twice. I had a look at the old version -- thanks for showing me where to find it -- and its entire text was just "Beat System was an EuroDance project from the mid 90's." So the new version, far more complete a stub than the old, and making claims of top-40 notability in Germany, shouldn't be deleted as a simple recreation. Sorry about that. &mdash;Bunchofgrapes (talk) 01:56, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Re:Re:List of Puerto Ricans
Hi Joel, I'm glad that you like the idea of the images. I had nothoing else better to do today and I saw that other lists had them. You know that you and I are the ones who are always looking after the "List". Fix anything that you deem right with the images that I posted. I really won't mind. Tony the Marine 03:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Line
Recent discussions at MoS Talk pages have revealed a majority of editors in favour of separting hatlinks from articles. There's as yet no policy either way, though. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 15:04, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for voting in my RfA!
Thanks for your vote in my RfA! It did not gain consensus, but I'm glad I accepted the nomination. - Amgine 16:55, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Friendy Chat
Hey Joel, since your my friend, I want to share this list that I made when I had nothing else better to do. Check it out: " Famous people who have had the honor of meeting The Marine". Tony the Marine 02:40, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm a businessman (I've always owned my own businesses) and I have plenty of time in my hands (I'm retiring next Thursday). Anyway when my son Antonio was just a kid in PR, he always loved boxing so, I not only took him to the bouts I also found out where the champs lived and I took him and his friends to their houses.  Eventually, we moved to the U.S. and as my other children grew up, we would find out the places and hotels these people were at.  I wanted my children to meet and hang out with their "heroes" so, that can see how they are in real life.  The most important thing that I wanted to teach my kids was that these people had some exceptional talents but, they shouldn't be worshiped as heroes.  A real heroe is a person who is willing to give his life for you expecting nothing in return and seldom receives any recognition.  I told them that these were mothers, fathers, fireman, soldiers, policeman and so on.  I have a room in my house with autographs and mementos.  Thanks for checking it out.  Tony the Marine 03:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Trains Portal DYK template
Hey, thanks for the commendation. I've had a few things I've created nominated for deletion with varying results, so no offense taken (I'm happier that we were both able to remain civil about the matter). I've seen metadata discussions pop up here and there, and so far they've all come to the same conclusion. I didn't see anything in bugzilla about a separate space for metadata, but I might not be using the correct search for it. Slambo (Speak) 14:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Speech
Joel, please take a look at my speech:speech. Tell me if there is anything that I might have left out. Tony the Marine 15:58, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Will you accept my nomination? Tony the Marine 16:43, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * If you do accept, make it soon - I'm only around until Saturday, then it's off to spend 2 weeks in the southern Appalachians (yay!); I wouldn't want to miss my chance to vote against for you. Guettarda 17:19, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

RfA
Tony the Marine would like to nominate you to be an administrator. Please visit Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact Tony the Marine to accept or decline the nomination. A page has been created for your nomination at Requests for adminship/. If you accept the nomination, you must formally state your acceptance and answer the questions on that page. Once you have answered the questions, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so.

Please go here: Requests for adminship/Joelr31 and formally accept. Then go here:Requests for adminship/nominate and follow the instructions. Tony the Marine 18:06, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

What to do if you are nominated by someone else Tony the Marine 18:22, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Make sure you do the following:


 * Joel, don't worry about the 2 opposes, so far you're doing fine. However, it seems that oppse #2 wxpects you to answer with comments on your oppose votes.  Tony the Marine 02:13, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Well said. Tony the Marine 02:53, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Re:Puerto Rico
Hey, i know it's been quite a while, sorry for the late reply. it was my pleasure adding the information to the Puerto Rico page and i will contribute more if possible in the future. Lusitano Transmontano 20:25, 12 Maio 2006

Pericles
Thanks for the advice. I tried to implement some of your suggestions. Any further remarks are, of course, well-comed. --Yannismarou 16:35, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Image:Sincitypred.jpg
Image:Sincitypred.jpg was tagged as a duplicate of Image:Movie spy kids alexa vega.jpg. While they may both be of the same person, they aren't the same image. It either can be deleted after 7 days for lacking of a license/source or because it is an unused fair use image. However, you are right that Image:Sincitypred.jpg and Image:Al50ml.jpg are duplicates, but I wasn't aware of the latter. I will delete Image:Al50ml.jpg right now. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 00:11, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * There must be some weird caching issue right now. When I click on Image:Movie spy kids alexa vega.jpg, I get a different image, but popups and the articles that image is in gives me an identical image of Image:Sincitypred.jpg. I have even opened the images in another browser (so nothing would be cached) and I am seeing the same problem.  I'd assume it is a caching problem on Wikipedia's side so if we wait a few hours, maybe it will resolve itself. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 00:22, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to mention that both of these last two images finally showed up as identical for me, so I went ahead and deleted Image:Sincitypred.jpg. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 07:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Puerto Rico article
Please reinclude the section that explains the government of Puerto Rico, the climate, and the transportation. Don't care what you do with everything else. Reverting is OK, but reverting and removing new info is not. &mdash;Drowne | Talk 06:05, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Cool, thanks. Now, what didn't you like about the edit? I would like to organize the article, right now there are sub-sections that can be placed under one of the bigger sections. The list of external links is so huge, we have articles for some of them. The Topics in Puerto Rico template can be removed as well, since you can reach all those links by visiting articles mentioned in the page, and I haven't seen a "Did you know?" in any other country article; that's something for a portal. &mdash;Drowne | Talk 16:07, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I didn't create sub-divisions, I just moved the existant divisions and put them under the bigger parent. The current ToC is the complex one. For example, we have flora and fauna and geology as independent parent sections when these should go under Geography. People expect to see that under geography since it's the natural parent subject.

I agree with you that India, like Singapore (same population as PR), have a great ToC, but I didn't create all the enormous subsections about history and demographics, and removing them wouldn't be appropiate so I left them like they are, while trying to organize the article in a logical form.

About the DYK, I wouldn't say it was "extensively" debated when only 2 contributors participated in the discussion. The VfD was for the DYK article per se, not for the section inside the Puerto Rico article. I have never seen a country article including a DYK section, that always goes in the country's portal. That's why I removed it.

&mdash;Drowne | Talk 17:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Cool. You should have created Flora and fauna of Puerto Rico since it is normal to do so and you seem to know about that subject. =) &mdash;Drowne | Talk 19:55, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Re Justine
Yes, I was wondering how to handle that. Thanks. Cranston Lamont 04:13, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Rfa
Hi! I would like to express my support on your request for admin. I hope you get it. I ahve a question though: can regular and non frquent editors like me vote or am i requiered to have X amounts of edits and/or experience to vote?Nnfolz 05:59, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Re:small help
Will do. Tony the Marine 15:43, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Great article! My work is done.  Tony the Marine 18:12, 17 May 2006 (UTC)