User talk:Joey6p

Notability of Benny Strange
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September 2007
Please refrain from introducing inappropriate pages, such as Benny Strange, to Wikipedia. Doing so is not in accordance with our policies. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. &mdash; Timotab Timothy (not Timdagnabbit!) 19:27, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Benny Strange
Hi Joey6p, Thanks for your note. I really want you to have the best experience here at Wikipedia, and the fact that you've asked about it encourages me that we can get you and the article on the right track! :) The key areas that make an article acceptable are Notability, and Verifiability, back up by Reliable sources.  Let us address these.  In particular, Benny Strange is a musical artist, and there are special notability guidelines for music.  There are a number of criteria listed there.  One that appears to be relevant in this case, after your comment to me is number 9: Has won or placed in a major music competition..  Right now, the article is nominated for Speedy Delete because it doesn't even assert any kind of notability.  Your first step in saving this article would be to at least make that assertion.  That should save it from speedy delete, but you'll still have to back that up.  Those assertions need to be Verifiable.  That is, can you make it easy for other editors/readers to see what you say is accurate by backing it up with Reliable Sources? If so, you should reference these in your article. Don't worry too much about wiki formatting, other editors can sort that out, as long as you get the information in there.

One of the reasons I was concerned when I saw the article recreated was that it had been deleted twice before, and didn't appear to have asked how to improve your article&mdash;your only edits have been to the Benny Strange page, and now, to my talk page. From what I remember, the content hadn't really changed from when I'd seen it in the previous incarnations.

Also, you note other pages that seem to be just the same quality as yours. Well, Other Stuff Exists isn't a good argument. (Indeed, I'll be checking those pages to see if there needs to be any remedy for them).

Another suggestion - as you clearly have an interest in music, you might want to join the Music Wikiproject. There you will find other like-minded people who will be willing to give you advice, and help you get your article to an acceptible standard.

I hope this has been helpful. &mdash; Timotab Timothy (not Timdagnabbit!) 20:55, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * A couple more things:
 * You said that if you look at Benny Strange's website, you can see about their competition wins. A website created by the band itself is not considered a Reliable Source.  It needs to have third party verification, such as the press, or the competition organisers.
 * Also, of those 4 articles you pointed me to, Kneebody appears to satisfy Criterion 5 of Music notability (though I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if those labels are "big" enough). Hispanic MCs I've Proposed for deletion.  In my opinion it qualifies for a Speedy Delete, but it's been around for two years with a handful of editors.  With that in mind, the prod is the best way to go, as it shouldn't be controversial, but it gives editors time to take a look and improve it.  pH10 I have nominated as an Article for Deletion because it had already had a prod tag placed there and removed, and procedure is that we shouldn't re-add a prod, but take it to AfD.  Feel free to join in its AfD nomination.  And I've nominated Rakoth (band) for deletion too, as it's been waiting on reliable sources for 8 months now.  Again, feel free to weigh in.
 * Lastly, I've removed the Speedy delete tag from Benny Strange for now, and copied the relevant part of your note to me on to it's talk page. That should keep it from speedy delete for now, but just know it may not keep it from deletion over all. &mdash; Timotab Timothy (not Timdagnabbit!) 21:32, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, I want new editors to be good editors, and if that means educating them, so be it. After all, that can only improve Wikipedia. I have some bad news, some sort-of good news, a caution, and a request.  The bad news is that all of suite101/com has been blacklisted.  I can't be sure, but my best guess is it was because of link spam, where lots of links to the site were being placed inappropriately all over wikipedia.    The sort-of good news is that that's not really going to matter, because in general, blogs are not considered a reliable source.  If the competitions they won are truly "big" enough to demonstrate notability, there ought to be some significant trade press about them.  You may have to work hard to dig them up.  The caution is that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, so you really will have to wait until the bio in Relix Magazine comes out before you can use them as a source.  A suggestion might be to get involved in other aspects of music (or any other area that interests you in wikipedia!) and add work on other things until that information is published.  Another benefit of that is that if you are seen to be contributing more widely, other editors are more likely to respect your work.  If you keep to just one article or a few related articles, people may well assume you have a conflict of interest even if that's not really the case.  And, lastly, the request.  Please add your signature when you make comments on talk pages.  You can do this by typing four tildes ( ~ ) after what you've typed, and it will automatically add your name, and the timestamp, making it nice and easy for people to follow and see who said what, when. Regards &mdash; Timotab Timothy (not Timdagnabbit!) 22:57, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * A further comment - I changed the link to the win as that's the fact we are trying to verify, rather than the existence of the song. However, I'm not entirely convinced that a monthly award that is the result of an internet vote will be considered a 'major contest win'.  It may be that the group just isn't notable enough... yet. Try not to get upset if it does get deleted in future.  If more information comes to light, add it as soon as you can.  And again, get people from WPP:MUSIC to help. &mdash; Timotab Timothy (not Timdagnabbit!) 23:08, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Just for your information, I couldn't in good conscience leave the Benny Strange article without questioning the notability. You really need to get some reliable sources on there, or it's going to end up deleted. &mdash; Timotab Timothy (not Timdagnabbit!) 06:04, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Benny Strange
A template has been added to the article Benny Strange, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you endorse deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please tag it with db-author. &mdash; Timotab Timothy (not Timdagnabbit!) 15:07, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It hasn't been deleted yet, if you have more information that can be added, feel free to do so. (but if you do, remove the prod or it may well be deleted on the 18th &mdash; Timotab Timothy (not Timdagnabbit!) 18:28, 17 September 2007 (UTC)