User talk:Johan Rachmaninov/Archive 1

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Shoegazing
Hi Johan - you recently renamed the article shoegazing 'shoegaze' - citing votes as the rationale. The only debate I know of can be found on the talk page of the article and ended in no consensus, resulting in the original term being kept. Could you let me know which votes you are referencing in your edit? Thanks NickW (talk) 19:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

technical death metal re: Death
Hello Johan. Not that I'm involved in the debate re: the term technical death metal, but I agree with you that if that term is used for Schuldiner & Death, that there needs to be references. I have placed three there. Take it easy. A Sniper (talk) 04:21, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I can see your point - I think although it is true that the band influenced others, by the last album they were playing EITHER what would be described as technical death metal or progressive death metal - the problem is that, as we know from that recent edit, if we get rid of technical death metal and put merely progressive death metal, someone will edit it out claiming that progressive death metal dumps into the technical page. I just think it is invalid to list death without one or the other, especially with the impact of the Human album and those beyond... Best, A Sniper (talk) 04:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Thrashcore
What do you think about just redirecting Thrashcore to Power violence? Since they became/pretty much the same thing.Inhumer (talk) 07:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Power violence/thrashcore
hi, Saw that you undid my "redirect" from thrashcore to power violence, and then suggested that thrashcore be deleted, for good measure. I didn't mean to cause offense by merging the two articles, but it seemed to me to be the best and most helpful way of clarifying things and ensuring the notability of both (small, underground) genres. After all, all of the groups mentioned as "prefiguring" power violence are thrash groups, and most of the members of power violence groups went on to form thrashcore groups. I felt that my article on the "thrashcore" page made my case reasonably clearly. Now, I know that it's difficult to locate external (non-online) sources for thrashcore, whereas there is the one article on power violence from Decibel. Part of the problem is that I think thrashcore tended to be referred to simply as "thrash", but this is makes things difficult on Wikipedia because that creates so much confusion with thrash metal. Most of the sources on thrashcore are old zines (MRR, HeartattaCk, etc.) -- and I don't have an extensive library of back issues. I'd like to discuss further why you felt that thrashcore needed to be deleted, or why you think that power violence (a very brief moment in hardcore/thrash, lasting from about 1988-1993) is more notable than the entirety of the thrash genre (lasting from 1983-present). Best, Andrew Aryder779 (talk) 14:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Also -- I agree with Inhumer -- if you want to redirect "thrashcore" to power violence and maintain information on the pre- and post-power violence thrash groups under that heading, that's an acceptable compromise to me, especially as it makes sense of the list of precursors for PV. Aryder779 (talk) 22:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Though I'm not sure you'll(Aryder) see this, but I wouldn't say PV is dead. Its just not around to the degree it once was.Inhumer (talk) 01:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Inhumer - I don't know of any current bands that identify as power violence. The singer from Charles Bronson is in Das Oath (thrashcore), one of the members of Spazz runs the 625 Thrashcore label, the Man Is the Bastard guys make noise music as Bastard Noise, Discordance Axis identifies as grindcore, Crossed Out is long gone, Spazz is gone, the Locust are ... noise rock or cybergrind, but certainly not PV anymore. Aryder779 (talk) 14:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Johan -- I agree that my merger of the two pages and revisions to the power violence article, without discussion, was poor etiquette, and I apologize. There are plenty of bands who identify themselves as thrashcore -- it's not an external term made up by critics. The existence of the 625 Thrashcore label attests to this. If you follow the Wiki links on any of the bands identified as thrashcore in the article, you'll find them named as such on their own pages (and that's not something I've done out of some weird advocacy for a fictious genre). The lineage of power violence precursors is made up entirely of thrashcore groups (Siege, Lärm, D.R.I.), which, to me, makes power violence an offshoot -- calling those groups "proto-power violence" is misleading. Aryder779 (talk) 15:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Another idea -- I suppose I can accept some sort of integration between the thrashcore page and the "crossover thrash" section of thrash metal, in that many of the early thrashcore groups end up here. The trouble with this is that it does something strange to the chronology -- early thrashcore groups precede thrash metal -- and it creates a problem with more contemporary groups like Los Crudos and Das Oath, who would never identify with thrash metal, even in the "crossover" form. Aryder779 (talk) 15:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Bad Religion
Why do you keep changing the genre on the Bad Religion page by calling them pop punk? They are actually not a pop-punk band, they are a hardcore punk band. If you don't believe me, listen to their albums like Suffer or No Control and you'll realize they're not pop-punk. To call them a pop-punk band is inaccurate, because they are not like Blink-182, Green Day or Sum 41, who use that genre. Alex (talk) 00:49, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, Johan, you're the one who is vandalizing the page, and my changes were not vandalism. I doubt that anyone else would agree that Bad Religion is considered a pop punk band. If you keep changing the genre, I will ask an administrator to block the page. I'm sorry but you are wrong, they are a hardcore punk band, NOT a pop punk band. Enough is enough, stop changing the genre. Alex (talk) 15:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Johan, I'm not kidding around. Please stay the hell off the Bad Religion page. When I say stop chaning the genre, you stop. Got it? Alex (talk) 23:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Johan, why aren't you listening to me? This is your last warning: STOP CHANGING THE GENRE OR ELSE I WILL ASK AN ADMINSTRATOR TO BAN YOU! I hope there's not gonna be any hard feelings that you realize that the genre you kept adding was wrong. For the last time, I'll say it again: STOP CHANGING THE GENRE, PLEASE! Alex (talk) 23:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm giving you one more warning to stop, Johan
Johan, you are in so much trouble. How many times do I need to tell you to keep away from the Bad Religion page? You have been reported for vandalism and it's time that you should give up and stop vandalizing on the Bad Religion page. You have gone too far, you have been vandalizing over 10 times already, and you have no authority to edit the Bad Religion page anymore. Alex (talk) 01:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

June 2008
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Apology
Hello, Johan. I just wanted to apologize for the punk rock/pop punk argument on the Bad Religion page and accusing you for vandalizing that page. You're not in trouble anymore and you still have the authority to edit the page. When you re-added the pop punk genre today, I didn't have to revert again because I knew you were going to revert me back again. But just because some people, including you, call them pop punk, doesn't make them a real pop punk band. They may have been an influence on that genre, but that doesn't make them a pop punk band either. To me, calling Bad Religion a pop punk band is just crazy, they're just nothing like blink-182 or Sum 41, who are real pop punk bands. Alex (talk) 01:25, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Neutral point of view
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Nirvana as an alt-rock band
Hi Johan. I happened to come across the discussion on the Nirvana talk page, and I'm a bit confused as to why you think that a band can't be both a grunge band and an alt-rock band at the same time. While there is a fair bit of overlap between the two genres, they're both descriptive genre labels that I think apply equally well to Nirvana. The fact that reliable sources are present in the article to back up the "alt-rock" description would imply to me that that label has a place there. Lankiveil (speak to me) 12:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC).

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Melvins
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Crust punk
hi, I appreciate the revisions you've made to the crust punk article. I have one question: I added "Post-punk" as a stylistic origin, because Amebix, Nausea, and Neurosis all borrowed from Killing Joke, and sometimes Joy Division. I'd like to add it again, with a reference to Felix Havoc's article which mentions Killing Joke as crucial for Amebix. The Day the Country Died also points out Killing Joke's seminal influence, as do interviews with the drummer of Nausea, and Neurosis. I think it's important to indicate this background influence, though admittedly it's more subtle than the D-beat/speed metal elements. Aryder779 (talk) 15:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

redirects

 * Please do not add nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. Can you stop altering redirects (particularly regarding rap, hip hop music, hip-hop music, etc.?) The locations these redirects and articles is a subject of some discussion as there is no obvious way to do it. The issue has been discussed at length and the changes you keep making have not been agreed by consensus. Thanks.  tomasz.  17:51, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

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Stop removing sourced content from the NOFX article
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Blocked
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You had better read WP:ALBUM or you are going to get blocked again
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Blocked
You've been blocked for one week due to persistent edit warring. Please consider modifying your editing behavior and stop polluting the collaborative editing atmosphere by repeatedly reverting across multiple articles; acting as such is directly against communication, moderation, and treating others with dignity. east. 718 at 00:04, June 24, 2008