User talk:JohnCD/Archive 15

Dan Cade wikipedia
I tried to create the page for Dan Cade. Please can you do this. He is an actor. See IMDB. But also, you replied to my last message. I changed the username, but the email address is still showing. Please can you help remove this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbrito (talk • contribs) 09:19, 18 July 2011
 * I think you will find that all reference to the email address is gone now, and I have removed it above as well. It is unwise ever to post an email address here because spambots crawl Wikipedia looking for them. No, I will not create an article for you, you can propose it at WP:Articles for creation or read WP:Your first article and make one yourself. It will need to establish notability by references to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources - IMDb is not enough. See also WP:NACTOR and, if you are Dan Cade, WP:Autobiography for the reasons why writing about yourself is strongly discouraged. JohnCD (talk) 10:39, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Luther Strange
Hi! I was wondering if you could userfy the article deleted after this AFD for me. I'm about to create an article for him and would love to check out the sources that were used in this one. Thanks!--Yaksar (let's chat) 05:52, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * And since I already started an article at User:Yaksar/Luther Strange, could you put it at User:Yaksar/Luther Strange (old) or something? Thanks again.--Yaksar (let's chat) 06:24, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅. I gather he has now won an election. If you use material from the old article, you need to provide attribution to the authors. The easiest way to do that would be to make your new article by editing the "old" version and move that one back into the main space when it is ready; that way the history will be preserved. JohnCD (talk) 10:53, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, of course. I may also just use that page for its sources, depending on whether or not it looks like an entire rewrite may be best. But should I use any content I'll absolutely make sure to preserve the attributions by editing on the same page. Thanks for the help.--Yaksar (let's chat) 14:05, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

source misrepresentation
There is an editor who misrepresents sources and when I revert, he accuses me of making propaganda on behalf of the military junta. He writes something citing a source but in fact the source does not say this. What to do? Kavas (talk) 17:28, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Read WP:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Discuss the issues on the article talk page and try to reach a WP:Consensus with other users. If you can't reach a consensus, read WP:Dispute resolution for what to do next. JohnCD (talk) 12:20, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Fizzyology
I honestly don't see why the page for Fizzyology should be deleted. I mean, come on! It's an upcoming album, and i think that the page shouldn't be deleted. Why do you insist on having it deleted? It has references and everything! MD97 (MD97) 20:49, 19 July 2011 (Northern Euroupean Time)
 * The point is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a fan-site, and its articles should be about facts backed up by reliable sources. For albums, that usually means after they have been released and had independent comment and reviews - see the guidelines at WP:NALBUMS. You can give your view at WP:Articles for deletion/Fizzyology. JohnCD (talk) 11:47, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * If the page has to be created AFTER the albums release, then why is there other album pages (like Lady Gaga's, and such) that are created before it's release? And the sources are reliable, because they were confirmed by Termanology himself (This album is a collaboration project with Termanology and rapper Lil Fame), so that point is complete, and utter bullsh!t. And let's not forget, Wikipedia has problems with reliable sources, i mean everybody can just add random stuff to the articles without an actual REFERENCE, unlike the stuff i added to the Fizzyology article, so i suggest you let the page still exist, John. MD97 (talk) 13:59, 20 July 2011 (Northern Euroupean Time)
 * I said usually after release. Yes, an anyone-can-edit site always has troubles with rumours and random stuff, but Wikipedia works hard with New Page Patrols and processes like Speedy deletion and Articles for deletion to filter them out and keep things within the policies that make it a useful encyclopedia. The fact that some unsuitable stuff gets in is not an argument for allowing more. WP:NALBUMS is the agreed guideline for articles about albums; you may not like it, but that's what we work to. Read that and then, if you like, comment at WP:Articles for deletion/Fizzyology. After seven days an uninvolved administrator will read the arguments there and decide what to do. JohnCD (talk) 12:15, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Deleting a page
Hi, I came across this on random page patrol, and I was hoping you could delete it as the user never seemed to have registered and was solely created as page protection request. Thanks, SwisterTwister   talk  06:40, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * This is an unusual situation. Although it never edited, is actually a valid, registered account and in principle we don't delete user talk ages. The guy didn't know about WP:RFPP and thought that was the way to ask for protection. It's an oddity from way back in history, but it's doing no harm. JohnCD (talk) 10:59, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Editing User talk:email address
Hi john, Thank you for your help so far. I will not write the article then and wait for it to be created.

Howver, my email address is still showing, when you click on Dan Cade, it has the email address in the username it says editing user talk; then lists the email address. It has this in teh deltion log. I really need this to be removed. Can you help? thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbrito (talk • contribs) 16:04, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll help if I can, but I'm puzzled: the account that had the address in the name has been renamed, and the redirects from the old account deleted; I have removed the address everywhere I know of that you posted it in messages. What exactly do you do, now, that gets your email address to show? JohnCD (talk) 12:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that what the user was referring to was the fact that attempting to view the article Dan Cade produced a deletion log entry which included the user name with the email address in it. I have solved that problem by recreating Dan Cade as a redirect. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:14, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks, that explains it. Good solution. JohnCD (talk) 09:55, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Beau Vallis
Hello John, Was just curious on why my page I am creating keeps getting deleted? Please let me know, I would like to try and change things in the article to make this work. Thank you! Bvallis5 (talk) 16:36, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I have explained on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 16:39, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

OTRS
Please see Requests_for_undeletion. – Adrignola talk 14:58, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * John, I was handy, so I took care of this.-- SPhilbrick  T  15:27, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, though it looks pretty horrible! I gather OTRS don't feel it their business to warn people when content is unsuitable; that's reasonable, but I think I shall propose an addition to the standard copyvio template to say something like: "Please note that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a notice-board; material copied from your website is likely to be too promotional, too detailed, or otherwise unsuitable; and also it will not be enough to establish notability, which requires references showing significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. Read WP:YFA before you request undeletion." JohnCD (talk) 17:05, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Pobreng Alindahaw
You CSD'd, and I've re-created it, with refs.

I'm pretty sure you won't mind; I just wanted to let you know. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 16:52, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem at all, looks good. Perhaps you could point the original author to it, to show him how it should be done: from the string of speedy notices on his talk page, he doesn't really seem to understand what's wanted. JohnCD (talk) 16:56, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I did try  User_talk:Kuyabribri.  Chzz  ►  11:50, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

About: Template Rapid Transit in Kolkata
Hi JohnCD! I created the template Rapid Transit in Kolkata and then I have redirected it to Kolkata Metro, so I just wanted you to delete the previous template. Thanks! Regards, Guitarist(talk 16:59, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅. The way to ask for deletion of a page which only you have edited is to put db-author or db-g7 at the top. JohnCD (talk) 17:11, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for deleting.
 * Regards,
 * Guitarist(talk 17:44, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

The Caroline Naud page
JohnCD

i understand the reason why you deleted this page, but its the only think i asked for was to keep it on there, if i asked you with all i got can you at least allow me to keep this page up, its the only thing i want.

please and thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Badkid6000 (talk • contribs) 19:34, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but no. An anyone-can edit encyclopedia has the huge advantage of getting contributions from tens of thousands of serious contributors, but the huge disadvantage that hundreds of thousands try to use it as an advertisement notice-board or a social-networking site: it only manages to work as a useful encyclopedia by having a clear list of the things that Wikipedia is not, including Wikipedia is not a social network, and enforcing it ruthlessly. There are sites like Facebook and Myspace for what you want to do. JohnCD (talk) 20:06, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Who is Ali Baba the OG
As one of the archivists for this person I have started with the bio I was given. You claim to have taken it down because of an infringement of a copyright from something posted in http://www.showcaseyourmusic.com/ABOG. Information about individuals who have made lasting and important social contributions is often found from their promotional materials. This is only a begining point from which to start listing this person's accomplishments. This material in no way points anyone to any social network and is not to be menat for promotion. As a member of the community which has benefitted from the work this artist has done in civil rights it is slightly insulting that and outsider would arbitrarily remove it without at least inquiring about the context in which it is being archived. My suggestion? Put it back and allow us to continue contributing to it at which time people who are not aware of the worthiness of archiving this artist may gain some understanding as to why this is as important to the people in our community as it should be to retired computer programmers ne cultural gatekeepers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.62.87.112 (talk) 21:27, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Copyright is an extremely serious issue for Wikipedia. For legal reasons, we cannot accept material copied from elsewhere, unless a formal copyright release has been made. Assertion of permission to use is not enough. It does not matter that the source site displays no copyright symbol: if it says nothing about licensing or copyright, we have to treat it as copyrighted. Please read Copy-paste and for fuller details WP:Copyrights. There are other issues, which I explained on your talk page, but copyright violations will always be deleted at sight. We cannot host copyright text even temporarily: you must rewrite it in your own words before submitting it. JohnCD (talk) 21:47, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Who is ABOG
We would be happy to fax to you the "ACRS2011 Copyright Release Form" obtained and signed by the original author of the source material we are using to began our archive of the artist-activist Ali Baba the OG. Please send a fax number. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.62.87.112 (talk) 22:20, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Please see Donating copyrighted materials - you could email an explicit permission (that is, in the permissible format shown) - from the (c) holder - see "Granting us permission to copy material already online".  Chzz  ► 00:46, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Request for adminship
Hi John, I've been thinking of requesting adminship these past few days, and I've looked at the guide for adminship, Wikipedia:ADMIN, Wikipedia:Copyright, and all that. I just wanted to hear from someone else to see if they think I qualify. I've have over 3,000 edits and although I created this account in 2008, I've actually been familiar with Wikipedia since October 2006. Cheers, SwisterTwister   talk  06:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Answered on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 21:49, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Request to Undelete Page - Gary R. Englert
JohnCD,

Thank you for your advice concerning my request for undeletion of the aforementioned page.

I found Wikipedia's advice in this regard somewhat confusing, believing the page could be restored while further review took place.

If you are capable of providing me with a copy of the deleted page, it would be appreciated.


 * It's a confusing maze, but we try to provide guides. I have emailed you a copy of the article. I expect you will hear from DGG today - I think he is in the US, so he may well have been off-line since your message to him. JohnCD (talk) 10:38, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

JohnCD,

I've had an exchange with editor DGG and he is unyielding. I would appreciate your temporarily restoring the page so that a more complete discussion can ensue.

Thank you!


 * No, I will not overrule an administrator who has closed a deletion discussion and has declined, after discussion, to reverse his decision. If you want the article back, your next step is WP:Deletion review which will start a further discussion. Read the instructions at the top of that page, but before listing it there I urge you to read:
 * Autobiography
 * Wikipedia is not here to tell the world about your noble cause
 * JohnCD (talk) 20:24, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Who is ABOG, again
JohnCD,

Thank you for your advice concerning my request for un-deletion of the aforementioned page. You claim conflict of interest as you say I seem to "work for Ali Baba". The fact is, as will be evident if the basic article is restored and then added to over time, is that "Ali Baba" works for many of us in the Black Community. For example, the next portion of the archive is as follows: "Ali Baba the OG, as he is affectionately called, is an artist/activist possessing a wealth of experience working with inner-city youth. In 1986 he received a mandate from a branch of the Nigerian government’s Youth Development Division to form the United States chapter of “The Sheriff Guard of Nigeria”. The Sheriff Guard was a youth organization dedicated to the social, mental, physical and spiritual development of inner-city youth created in Nigeria in 1974 by Dan Isokrari. A troubled youth himself, Baba began writing at an early age. Writing helped to keep Baba  in school and near the right track. He was a member of his high school journalism department, wrote for the school newspaper and was first published in The Oakland Tribune newspaper at the age of 17 years old. Since that time he has published three books of poetry under his full name Zahieb A. Mwongozi. He has had his articles published in national magazines such as The Source Magazine and 4080 Magazine). From 1988 through 1989 was a staff writer for The Monroe Free Press in Monroe, LA. Branching out as a writer-poet-social activist, his ties to media became numerous: He worked for a year in college radio as an intern at the University of California Berkeley’s KALX Radio Station (90.7 FM). He has also been fairly prolific in the Black Arts Movement in the SF Bay Area, working as a stage actor with prominent roles in works performed at the Oakland Ensemble Theater in Oakland, CA, the Black Repertory Theater in Berkeley, CA, and the Laney College Theater, Oakland, CA. His background in the Black Arts Movement includes mentor-ship and direction by such revolutionary black theater luminaries as Ed Bullins (the ‘Godfather of Black Theater’), Charles Gordone (R.I.P., author and director of the famed stage play “No Place To Be Somebody”) and poet/writer/social activist Marvin X (In the Name of Love, Flowers for the Trashman, Confessions of a Wife Beater). He was also trained in workshops at the San Francisco ACT under the tutelage of Danny Glover another well known Bay Area Artist/Activist. Ali Baba the OG has been equally prolific as a recording artist and performer. He signed his first recording contract at age fifteen with MUSIC CITY RECORDS in Oakland, CA and is said to have written over 200 individual original songs including the album “From Debasement to de Penthouse” which sold over 15,000 units throughout Europe and the United States."

There is much more history concerning this artists, from his work in the Black Panther Party, his experiences as a follower of Elijah Muhammad, his work with the homeless, etc. This artist-activist is nearly 60 years old with a story that should be archived and will be archived. It would be a privilege to begin this process with Wikipedia. You are doing a job when you review material that is submitted to the site. It would be wrong for me to assume that because you work at Wikipedia you would somehow bring your own biases into the process involved with what is allowed onto the site? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.62.87.112 (talk) 22:01, 22 July 2011 (UTC) -- Note for ease of reference: this is  not logged in.
 * I do not plan to import any of my own biases: the concern is rather that, since you are editing on behalf of AliBaba (you say you are "one of the archivists for this person"), you may find it hard to maintain the WP:Neutral point of view which is a Wikipedia policy.


 * Also, I am concerned that you may not understand what Wikipedia is and what it is not. You talk of "archiving", as though you propose to make Wikipedia a repository for an account you will write of everything concerning Ali Baba's history and works. That is not what Wikipedia is for. A fundamental policy is WP:No original research: as an encyclopedia, Wikipedia is only for summarising things that have already been published in a reliable source. If you want to make something like that, which you will control, the right place is a site like Myspace or Facebook. The No original research policy links with WP:Verifiability: "any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source... The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true."


 * If Ali Baba meets Wikipedia's notability requirement, which needs to be established by references to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources, you are welcome to write an article about him, but it will have to conform to Wikipedia's standards, you will not own it, other people can and will edit it, and you will not be able to insist on your preferred version. Read WP:Your first article for general advice. JohnCD (talk) 14:56, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice!
Hi! I really thank you for your advice on my talk page! I just couldn't pick the right speedy template for that article. Now I know. Cheers

--Thompson.matthew (talk) 10:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

A deleted page
Dear John
 * You have achieved the deletion of a page. If I have new arguments against your decision, may I discuss that with you, or should I proceed in an other way?

thanks --Amintib (talk) 16:19, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You may certainly discuss it with me. If you look further up this page you will see a lot of discussions like that. But what is the page you want to discuss? I don't see any deleted pages in your contribution record. JohnCD (talk) 17:02, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you very much. I've already made the mark. --Mirabella Star 17:48, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Centre for Peac Peace and Justice Pakistan (CPJP): Request the page may not be deleted
Dear John, Greetings from Sindh Pakistan.

i have tried to create page titled "Centre for Peace and Justice Pakistan" the page was deleted due to one or any other reason. what i personally believe that the my actual information was mirrored any of the web site i.e wise earth, which cased the problem.

i am the Executive Director of the CPJP, and i personally would like to to create page on wikipedia. the CPJP is working on Peace, Justice, Environmental Justice, and Labour Rights in Pakistan.

i could be contacted at "hshar[at]cpjp.org" and hydershar[at]gmail.com

Regards

Hyder Shar Executive Director CPJP — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hydershar (talk • contribs) 07:27, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I will reply on your user talk page. JohnCD (talk) 21:08, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Help with Patexia
Hi, Can you take a look at Patexia? It appears to be an advertisement, and looks biased. Do you think it is worth keeping and fixing, or marking for G11? Thanks.

--Thompson.matthew (talk) 15:23, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * At a quick look, I should say keep and fix - not a blatant enough advertisement for G11, and enough independent references to escape A7. JohnCD (talk) 15:28, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * One more question...should I group the templates into multiple issues? Or will that stop the neutrality check from happening? --Thompson.matthew (talk) 15:33, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it would look a bit tidier using multipleissues. I don't think the NPOV template actually makes anything happen - at most it may add it into a category where there are probably thousands already. It's more a flag for anyone who happens to look at the article. JohnCD (talk) 21:06, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

new message? cant find it
Hi JohnCD

Trust your well. I received notification on my talk page that i had a message from you, I scanned your talk page but i cant find it. MarcusLeDain (talk) 18:33, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * That talkback tag was nearly a month ago, and the message it pointed to has been archived to User talk:JohnCD/Archive 14; but you have replied to that, two items down, so you saw it. Nothing new! JohnCD (talk) 18:48, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

inre WP:Newcomer's guide to guidelines
Am an sooooo glad you stopped by and corected some of my miserable typos. That acted as the impetus for me to finally add that last little bit I had wanted to add... on moving from userspace to mainspace. I know the darn essay is long, but I very much wanted to provide a comfortable one-stop shop where a rank newcomer can get a head start, and just as much wished to avoid the overuse of wikijargon that prervades so many of these pages. Well... I think it is finally ready for the big time and feel it will be of tremendous use to newcomers. Could you give it one last look-see before I move it? Many thanks,  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 01:05, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I will certainly read and comment, but it will be a day or two as I am rather busy IRL just now. In return, would you look at User:JohnCD/Not a noticeboard, which I would also like to move to mainspace in due course. It is aimed at a rather different target, the guy who thinks WP is the place to post a copy of his, or his company's, promotional website or Youtube page. Quite likely it has been deleted as a copyvio, and he has said, but it's my website, I give you permission. At present we tend to point him to WP:DCM, but he needs to be told at the same time why his text is unsuitable and what making an article will really involve. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:15, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Asmi diamonds
Your opinion on Asmi diamonds?

--Thompson.matthew (talk) 05:35, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Saw this note. The article above smacks of WP:SPAM. I left the author a polite note on his talk page advising him of this concern. But another issue is WP:COI. The article's infobox lists "Gitanjali Group" as among the "key people", and the author's username is Ggladmin.  Unless the author addresses concerns quickly, this one should be G11 speedied.   Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 18:58, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Follow-up: The article "itched" at my sensiilities, so I tagged it for speedy myself. As you can see, it's gone. I'll drop a note to the author suggesting he build one in a user subpage, get it sourced to show notability, and keep its tone non-promotional. Best,  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 19:16, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Thought so...some articles just cut it so close I'm not sure so I ask an Administrator, or someone like you. --Thompson.matthew (talk) 08:07, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry not to reply - I have been off for a couple of days. Thanks for sorting it out, Michael. JohnCD (talk) 22:16, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Stimulsoft Reports
Hey John, What do you think about Stimulsoft Reports?, someone else has PROD'd it, it doesn't appear to be notable and lacks content. Cheers,

-- Matthew Thompson talk to me bro! 07:33, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * PROD is the right answer for that one: it doesn't fit any speedy category. A7 is only for "individuals, animals, organizations, web content", not products; non-notability and not having references are not enough for speedy - see WP:CSD. Read WP:CSD carefully; and there is good advice from an experienced admin at WP:10CSD and WP:A7M. JohnCD (talk) 11:14, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks -- Matthew Thompson talk to me bro! 13:48, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Howard Fredrics
As the deleting admin for the above AfD, can you have a look at User:Lorifredrics/Howard Fredrics and advise Lorifredrics on a course of action. You may or may not be aware that she is topic banned "on any matter relating to Howard Fredric's grievances with Kingston University broadly construed" see here. Mt king  (edits)  09:49, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * First-glance reaction is: very different from the previous article, and steers clear of the Kingston fracas, but does not address the reason for deletion, which was lack of notability. In particular, no sources. I will advise Lorifrederics more fully, but it may take a day or two before I have time to read it up properly. JohnCD (talk) 17:43, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Scenario the most awesome
Scenario TMA is a notable film director whom has notable works around the word. In the contribution submitted are many credible works from him incorporated along with legitimate articles. Scenario "The Most Awesome" 15:53, 30 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scenarioiam (talk • contribs)
 * That may be, but what you wrote was not an encyclopedia article, it was a wildly over-the-top self-advertisement written in almost a parody of PR-speak: "remarkable talent... awed his peers... perhaps the most innovative contribution to the music video scene.... innovative marketing strategy... literally shook the industry to the core... rave reviews... if the song is hot, he’s your man." Anything like that is deleted from Wikipedia at sight. I will provide more advice on your talk page later, but for now read WP:PEACOCK, WP:Verifiability and WP:Autobiography. JohnCD (talk) 17:33, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Rowshnee Foundation
Rowshnee Foundation is a non-political, non-sectarian, non-commercial and non Governmental organization to support Helpless and hopeless. so please re open it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.211.165.180 (talk) 10:34, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * See Wikipedia is not here to tell the world about your noble cause, also WP:Your first article, WP:Notability (organizations and companies), and the WP:FAQ/Organizations. JohnCD (talk) 10:45, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Defamed By Wikipedia
I no longer attempt to work through Wikipedia talk pages or Wikipedia in general regarding the malicious and defamatory material which left-wing Wikipedia editors, acting out of ideological bias and their own personal agendas, have repeatedly inserted into my Wikipedia entry. I attempted to use the Wikipedia mediation and arbitration procedures, as prescribed, and to date I have not received one single reply from anyone in authority at Wikipedia. Every attempt I have made to use Wikipedia's formal complaints procedure has been simply ignored and my comments taken off line (as this comment probably will be.) FIVE YEARS of discussion was blown away in this manner, I presume because I was making my case against the entry in too persuasive a manner and the Wiki-kooks were becoming embarrassed.

I use multiple accounts, yes, because Wikipedia has responded to my repeated attempts to get them to remove malicious and defamatory material from my entry with silence and with censorship. They say that the greatest compliment one man can pay to another is to attempt to silence him by force. I could do with fewer such compliments from Wikipedia.

These days I carry on my efforts to counter the false, malicious and defamatory material from my entry in a forum which (so far) Wikipedia and the rest of the left has failed to silence. Check out

defamedbywikipedia.blogspot.com

This site has so terrified the Wiki-kooks that they have banned it, so I can't post the complete link. I'm sure you can add in the http etc.

-Harold A. Covington — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.72.244.87 (talk) 15:09, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

userspace draft
Re User_talk:JamesBWatson Hey, that's useful to know. I userfy a fair number of articles, and always add a NOINDEX. I think I'll add the userspace draft, which applies as well, and save a step.-- SPhilbrick  T  15:29, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Another useful tip is: when encouraging someone to make a draft in their user space, rather than explaining how to make a user subpage, point them to Help:Userspace draft which produces a page with userspace draft already in place. JohnCD (talk) 15:49, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I've seen that, but forgot about it, thanks for the reminder.-- SPhilbrick  T  19:04, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Re:DYK question
Hi John and thanks for the reply. Hadn't got round to reading that talk page yet as I've been away for a couple of hours, so I didn't realise that she had made a post about it. Consequently I've just asked her not to be involved in the final decision. I have no argument with the rules, but I believe (very strongly) that she should have informed me there was a problem, and I actually feel quite insulted that she didn't. Certainly on previous DYKs where there's been some kind of issue editors have posted to my talk page. Is that not the case any more? If so, it's a bit like the company that announces redundancies to the press before informing the individuals who work for them. Not condusive for a happy environment, and certainly discouraging for the individual concerned. I felt inclined to quit earlier on to be honest, but have calmed down a lot since then, so will take another look at this article. I'm also going to register my displeasure at the discussion and hope it leads to better practice in future. Cheers again. TheRetroGuy (talk) 20:25, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, she did say in the edit summary "will post on article talk shortly" and three minutes later explained her concerns there: you can't really argue that you weren't notified of the perceived problem. Yes, she could have sent you a message as well, but I would advise not taking too much umbrage that she did not. JohnCD (talk) 20:56, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, maybe it was an oversight on her part. Perhaps next time she'll do it. I guess I'm just hacked off because of the work I put into it, and the fact that nobody raised the issue earlier when something could have been done to remedy it. You're right though, I guess, life is far too short for all this stress. Maybe I'm over-reacting, I've just had a rather stressful few days in the real world so I was bound to be tetchy. I've mentioned this at the DYK project talk page. She says that the article can be resubmitted, so if I get the go ahead to do so, I'll put it back in the pile with a couple of tweaks. Cheers again for your help. Think I'll have a drink now, chill out and go to bed. TheRetroGuy (talk) 22:08, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Not sure what to tag this as....
Values of life. - It's out of place on Wikipedia but I'm not sure what to tag it as. I assume PROD, but for what reason. -- Matthew Thompson talk to me bro! 09:50, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I think db-a1 would do nicely for that, but give the author a welcome tag like firstarticle as well to give him some clues. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 09:54, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Done, thanks. -- Matthew Thompson talk to me bro! 10:30, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Broquen
That's all the info I had on hand I've got a bunch more to put up I was just starting with that. I was making sure the name wouldn't get stolen then I was going to sleep and work on it in the morning — Preceding unsigned comment added by Willstrom (talk • contribs) 11:32, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Re: Wonder Girls
You also need to RefDel this non-complete revert where Twinkle only removed SineBot's edit and not the IPs for some strange reason. —Farix (t &#124; c) 15:33, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ - sorry about that, those situations are confusing. Maybe Twinkle uses, or behaves like, rollback? JohnCD (talk) 15:38, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Normally Twinkle will rollback SineBot's edits along with the edits of the last user, though it does give a warning when it is about to do so. I'm not sure if this was a Twinkle FAIL or a User FAIL, though I should chalk it up to the latter. —Farix (t &#124; c) 15:44, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Another WillStrom sock
In the form of. I've opened a new case at SPI, but I'd prefer a bit of expediency. Thanks in advance. elektrik SHOOS  (talk) 20:03, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅. Blocked. Quack. JohnCD (talk) 20:09, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! elektrik SHOOS  (talk) 20:11, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Sir. Waldo Weathers (Info deleted)
Susanne Schmidt : Assistant of Da Pope Funk Sir Waldo Weathers

 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saxual4u (talk • contribs) 23:59, 7 August 2011
 * Replied on user's talk page. JohnCD (talk) 11:04, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Fibroceutical
Thanks for the not-a-vote posting on the AfD. I believe that the original author is trying to game the system so I have opened this - Sockpuppet investigations/Lane89mr. --Biker Biker (talk) 15:21, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Username change?
can i change my user account name to : Avantcommunity Ramseychris (talk) 17:25, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * To change username, you need to make a request at WP:CHU. I don't recommend "Avantcommunity", though, because Wikipedia accounts have to be for individual people, not companies or groups. "Avantcommunity" looks as though it is a group, and you might find people ask you to change it, or even that you get blocked. To save trouble, I suggest you think of something that doesn't look like a group name. There's a place at the bottom of the CHU page where you can check whether a name is already taken. JohnCD (talk) 17:40, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Question
why did u delete my page mahn — Preceding unsigned comment added by Killjoy4427 (talk • contribs) 13:45, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

replyfast — Preceding unsigned comment added by Killjoy4427 (talk • contribs) 13:46, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

BurtonAlbion784
Hello. No new approach, I'm afraid... The SPI page appeared on my watchlist so I had a look at what links here. Perhaps he only added that link on BurtonAlbion784's fantasy page after you'd picked up on the other ones? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 19:26, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

inre User:MichaelQSchmidt/Newcomer's guide to guidelines
You are cordially invited back to User:MichaelQSchmidt/Newcomer's guide to guidelines as I feel it going live is imminent and I value additional eyes and input.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 00:46, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry for delay - I will definitely comment today! JohnCD (talk) 08:51, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Great comments! See my responses. And I have decided that your userspace essay "Not a noticeboard" is ideal for sharing.   Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 01:50, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Deleted Page. Argh.
Our old partner was the author of this page. We disagreed once in awhile about the content, hence the removals and edits.

There are plenty of links to this page and it's still a business. If I need to re-author the page, I will. I would like to include the content that's already been submitted on the page, though. I wish it wasn't deleted.

Jason 173.57.97.178 (talk) 20:04, 12 August 2011 (UTC) jason@tkoradionetwork.com
 * Since I became an admin here, I have deleted 28,329 pages. Which one is this? Also, this sort of thing is the reason why we very much prefer people not to edit pages where they have a conflict of interest. JohnCD (talk) 20:16, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

UNC fight songs prodded?
Noticed I'm a Tar Heel Born and Here Comes Carolina were prodded in early July ... but first I heard about it was today, by accident. Thought it was a pretty well-established convention that the author of a page up for PROD should be notified--and yet I heard nothing about it, so I didn't have a fair chance to find sources. Blueboy96 00:24, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Restored as contested PRODs. WP:UNIGUIDE gives advice on what is required to establish notability of student traditions - basically, coverage not local to the University. It is good practice but not mandatory to notify the article author when PRODding (WP:PROD under "Nomination" says "ideally"!); I have mentioned this to the PRODder when notifying him that I have restored the articles. JohnCD (talk) 10:02, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Excelent suggestion
I expanded on it a bit. THIS is what you inspired.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 20:16, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Good. I'll read the whole thing again tomorrow. "Cut out the adjectives" is always good advice. I had a schoolmaster who use to recite "Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these" and then invite us to count the adjectives: not one! JohnCD (talk) 21:08, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Naadu Das Biswas
With due respect Sir i would like to bring to your notice that you have been deleting my wiki page "Naadu Das Biswas" or "Atanu Das Biswas" or popularly known as Naadu.I am a real person and you can talk to me at https://www.facebook.com/musik.addict01 my facebook account. You have been repeatedly accusing me of vandalism and have put an assault on my image.Please justify your action.And if article on me not approved then my Lawyer may have to take this matter to court and file a legal action against you.

Yours Sincerly, Atanu Das Biswas — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atanu das biswas (talk • contribs) 19:32, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * (user warned of WP:NLT, but already indef-blocked as VOA by another admin. JohnCD (talk) 20:11, 14 August 2011 (UTC))

Question
Hello, Can you please explain to me as an Administrator what should/can I do when somebody violates a consensus after beign informed about it? Thank you. Adrian (talk) 21:04, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello Adrian, I hope John doesn't remind me replying on his talk page but I can answer this as I'm an admin too. If someone is editing against consensus that can be deemed as vandalism and you can therefore file a report about them at WP:AIV.--5 albert square (talk) 21:11, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reply. Can you please take a look at this article Sibiu and Sighisoara?. Link to the discussion is here . I am allowed to revert this as vandalism and to file a report there? Adrian (talk) 21:15, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, 5 Albert, help from talk page stalkers welcome. Adrian, sorry but I won't have time to look at this till tomorrow. JohnCD (talk) 21:31, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I hoped to get some help because I am really surprised with actions of this user. If I would dismiss an consensus like that I would probably be blocked by now :). I am really curious what`s the catch, maybe I am not doing something right? How can somebody get away with this kind of behavior? Can 5 albert square maybe spear some time to help me with this? Adrian (talk) 21:34, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Adrian, sorry to take time to get back to you. Yes, from what I can see and understand from that the editor is editing against consensus.  You would therefore be able to file a report at AIV and get someone there to look into how to deal with the editor.  A hint though, if you file a report at AIV I would include a link to the discussion where consensus was reached regarding this.  Also, it's worth noting that in this case the WP:3RR rule may not apply to you if you're reverting these edits because the other editor is editing against consensus and as I've said, that can be deemed as vandalism.  Any further questions, please don't hesitate to ask although please note that sometimes on weekdays it can take me a few days to reply simply because of my workload at work!--5 albert square (talk) 22:38, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Np. Thank you for your time. I will try to file a report at AIV but I just want to make sure 1000% that this user have read the consensus. I will try to solve this problem like this. Thank you. Greetings. Adrian (talk) 07:14, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

if you might care to visit...
...this discussion.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 21:35, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * :)  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 23:02, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Hiring
Please hire me as an administrator. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raer2008 (talk • contribs) 08:12, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for all the barnstars, but that is enough now. Nobody is "hired" as an administrator, if that means getting paid - everyone here is a volunteer. The guide for people interested in being an admin is at WP:GRFA, but nobody will pass the selection process who does not have a considerable history of constructive contributions, so as to show the necessary knowledge of how Wikipedia works. Successful candidates recently have generally had an average of over 15,000 edits and at least nine months' experience. JohnCD (talk) 09:43, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Regarding speedy deletion of Dealsvilla
Hi John,

You have marked the page dealsvilla for speedy deletion but I had the information that the company is a new startup based in India and is recruiting throughout India. Students across various Indian colleges are searching information about Dealsvilla and considering wikipedia is most reliable source of informnation I made the dealsvilla wikipedia page. The incorporation certificate of the company which I requested from the owners is uploaded on scribid "http://www.scribd.com/doc/62326209/CRP03332-Certificate-of-Incorporation-140611". If you can point to me what led you to believe the content is not encyclopedic then i would be willing to make the appropriate changes.

Please let me know if this would suffice to wikipedia guidelines or what more I have to do.

Mohit Jain 2011 (talk) 14:31, 15 August 2011 (UTC)Mohit Jain
 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a business listing directory, and to have an article it is not enough that a business exists - it must be notable which means showing significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. Newly-established businesses are not often able to meet that requirement, but Wikipedia is not here to help new businesses become well-known. More information at the WP:FAQ/Organizations. JohnCD (talk) 19:41, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

The use of REFUND
Let me thank you for taking care of the userification of the Alice Offley article.

However, I will take the opportunity to get you to rethink a comment you made in doing so. You stated "This page (REFUND) is not intended for articles deleted at AfD." However, if you read the text at the top of WP:REFUND, you'll find "This page is also intended to serve as a central location to request that deleted content be userfied[...] This means that content deleted after discussion—at articles for deletion [...] —may in some cases be provided to you" i.e. - it's not where to go to undelete AfDs back into article space, but it is where to go to get AfD'd material userified, which was just what happened in this case. --Nat Gertler (talk) 20:05, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You are quite right, I must have read that but had not taken it in. It seems odd and confusing, I would have sent people first to the deleting admin to ask for userfication, but I suppose it's a useful resource in case the admin is not available. Anyway, thanks, I have added a note there. JohnCD (talk) 20:41, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the clarification and advice about what to do when it's time to ask for undeletion. Just to be perfectly clear, Nat did contact the deleting admin, Courcelles, to ask for userfication. Courcelles declined to do so because the article is a BLP but said we should place the request at WP:REFUND. He/she didn't say that it was necessary to mention his/her name.  Rubywine . talk 21:00, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * That's OK, everyone has behaved quite properly. I closed the loop by telling Courcelles what I had done. Cheers, JohnCD (talk) 21:09, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Archaeorhizomyces

 * Thank you! I usually get more kicks than barnstars, but suddenly six arrive all at once! JohnCD (talk) 11:20, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

change in username
thank you very much best regards daniela — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nachhaltiges landmanagement (talk • contribs) 10:00, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

User:JazzBeat72
That was embarrassing, I meant to paste that into the talk page of a redirect I just created, but still had this open tab (I have been going over the user accounts of the sock, putting the templates up etc). Thank you for the quick CSD, which in spite of the name, are not always speedy.--Cerejota (talk) 11:05, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries, and you used a nice accurate G7 tag which meant I could zap it straight away without having to make enquiries. Speediness depends how many admins are working CAT:CSD which sometimes has 150 entries or more. That account has been unblocked because the master account was soft-username-blocked with a block notice that includes "you are welcome to create a new account with a username that represents only you"; I would personally have left a week's block as a mark of disapproval of the rather egregious socking, but I will leave him a note to explain. JohnCD (talk) 11:17, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah this was not a hundred-socks-4-ever case, but it wasn't pretty either. But like with Spider Ledesma (oh, what a beauty!), makes me wonder if there are people impersonating the actual people and being nasty on purpose to descredit the people they purport to be...--Cerejota (talk) 11:28, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for Clarification
Hi JohnCD,

Thanks for your clarification and the helpful links. I'll try to be more transparent and specific in future. Appreciate your assistance.

Regards,

-Kane — Preceding unsigned comment added by KaneGilmour (talk • contribs) 17:50, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank You for Your Help
I am grateful for you coming to my rescue JohnCD. I feel like a newbie in a mental mosch pit...

Your help has brought me back into the fold. I felt like I was being bullied, and got flamed on my first attempt at editing. All biographies are self-promoting, yet I was faulted for that.

I am becoming more "notable" as the music emerges. A web search will show my "presence".

Please reply where I can send you a promo CD if you would like some eclectic Americana music.

The songs are also available at http://www.arthurdavenport.com

With Very Best Regards,

Arthur DavenportArthurdwall (talk) 00:04, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but all I have done is point out that your piece is no longer a copyright violation. The deletion discussion has still to decide whether you meet Wikipedia's quite demanding inclusion criteria explained at WP:MUSICBIO, and you should read Autobiography and Conflict of interest to understand the reasons why writing about oneself in Wikipedia is strongly discouraged. JohnCD (talk) 10:17, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

db-u1
Hi, thanks for deleting my subpage. Would it be possible for you to delete all my subpages which are redirects? Or do I need to tag each one individually? Thanks Jebus989 ✰ 10:13, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can do that, but it will be later today. Have a look in a day's time, and tag any that I ahve missed. JohnCD (talk) 10:20, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for doing that Jebus989 ✰ 07:26, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

revision delete
Please delete this revision, it's insulting.  Puffin  Let's talk! 12:33, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ - just the edit summary, the text itself is OK - it may have been intended sarcastically, but that doesn't show! JohnCD (talk) 12:37, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Changed username
Nachhaltiges landmanagement (talk) 12:44, 18 August 2011 (UTC)Daniela20011 dear JohnCD, im already anblockt (thankyou)and i got my new username Daniela2011, but :( in zhe log in im still Nachhaltiges landmanagement also in the Germansite (i thought i have just one site in english) i dont nkow how i can change that and be just Daniela2011 thanks if you can help me
 * I have replied at your new talk page: see User talk:Daniela2011. JohnCD (talk) 16:36, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

(Daniela2011 (talk) 08:32, 22 August 2011 (UTC))Dear John CD Thanks a lot for all

India education program
Thank you for the messages you left on my talk page, as I am also in the process of learning-by-doing. Thanks for answering my students' questions as well. Could you also leave a message for students on how their articles can get selected for "Did you Know"? Something like "Helpful Tips". - Shirin--Shirin tejani (talk) 11:28, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not an expert on DYK (though, to my surprise, I got one just below here) but I will see what I can find and post it on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 21:35, 21 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks!--Shirin tejani (talk) 06:36, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Regarding your comment on the discussion page of Shirin Ma'am
I have not made a new article. I have just added a new section to an article of 523 words approx. And, yes I will add a citation to my "hook". Basic.atari (talk) 12:55, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That's OK - my comment was only to say that new articles, as well as fivefold-expanded ones, could qualify. JohnCD (talk) 21:28, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Archaeorhizomyces
Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 16:03, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Stacey D. Lyle
John,

I am trying to add my name and CV with all my published papers to Wikipedia. You can see my CV at my wiki website at http://www.sci.tamucc.edu/~slyle/resume.pdf

How can I continue to develop my page?

Stacey Aggiebulldog (talk) 16:40, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Christian-New Age Dialogue
Hi John,

I'm not sure I correctly understand the response to my request to restore the article "Christian-New Age dialogue" to my userspace. But I'm thinking the request was denied. If so, I'm asking you to reconsider. I certainly understand all the comments you made about the piece. Although I'm not sure I agree with them all, I respect them all and thank you for your explanation of Wikipedia's purpose. John, I'm still stunned and reeling from all of this. And I'd like the piece restored to my userspace until I can decide quite what to do with it. I'm thinking perhaps it would be more appropriate for one of those Wiki offshoot areas that are not part of the encyclopedia. But I'm, as I say, stunned at the moment and need time to decide. In the meantime, I'd like to have access to the piece. One question that has been on my mind and it's a very important one: Is the topic of "Christian-New Age dialogue" something you see as inappropriate to the encyclopedia? Thank you for the time you're taking here. ````Christian-New Age Dialogue — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christian-New Age Dialogue (talk • contribs) 18:45, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No, your request was not denied. I am sorry if my second paragraph was so discouraging that you missed the first, which started with ✅, and gave a link to where I have put the article in your userspace at User:Christian-New Age Dialogue/Christian-New Age dialogue.


 * As regards the topic, it is not in itself inappropriate, but an encyclopedia does not initiate anything or cover speculation, so an article would only be acceptable if such dialogue had actually been taking place, and had been the subject of sufficient comment in reliable sources (not blogs and the like) for an article to be made by summarising them. The policy WP:No original research is absolutely fundamental to the encyclopedia, and includes the prohibition of "synthesis": "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources." An article which cites references about Christianity and about New Age beliefs to try to start a discussion about dialogue between them is not encyclopedic.


 * For other places to post it, you might get ideas from WP:Alternative outlets. A possibility could be Wikiversity - I know little about it, but I understand it is less structured and does not object, as we do, to original research.


 * Regards, JohnCD (talk) 20:29, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you for the barnstar! No, I'm afraid nothing happens automatically - everyone is a volunteer, nobody has to do anything, and work like writing or translating an article only gets done when someone has the time and interest to do it. The translated page template is only a convenient way of providing attribution. There is a procedure described at WP:Translation for requesting, or rather suggesting translation of an article from another Wikipedia; if, for instance, the Spanish Wikipedia's article on a given subject is better or fuller than the English one, the template Expand Spanish could be placed on the English article; but that is no more than a suggestion for anyone interested in improving the article. If there is no existing English article, WP:Translate suggests writing a basic stub article and tagging it with the Expand tag.


 * Yes, there probably are many pages that are translations but don't have this tag. Trying to prevent this is the reason for WP:CSD: if a page in a foreign language is posted here, it may be listed at WP:Pages needing translation to see if someone is able and willing to translate it; but if it is a copy of an article on another WP it is speedily deleted to avoid losing attribution, and the person who posted it is pointed to WP:Translation. JohnCD (talk) 21:17, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

NewsAndEventGuy's goof
Thanks for deleting my the article I accidentally created, and thanks for donating your time to wiki. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 14:32, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries! JohnCD (talk) 14:33, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Request to repost article - Dark Motif
Dear JohnCD,

After reading the "Why your post was deleted" article you published, and thoroughly going over the rules for posting new articles (specifically section A7), I still can not understand why the article I posted was deleted. It does not seem to me like it falls in the A7 criteria.

As I mentioned in the talk page, I would be more than happy to edit the article to comply with the rules for posting new articles, but why the material posted did not comply with those rules is still unclear to me. I read and re-read the related posts and articles but still can not see what part of article A7 I am in violation of.

I can give links to many sites who referred to the studio in their news in order to establish that the studio did receive attention from the press. I did not post any of these links in the article itself as according to the guidelines one should not place news links in articles. Would that make a difference?

Thank you for your attention and consideration.

Sincerely yours, Afarshezif

Afarshezif (talk) 07:01, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * In assessing it against WP:CSD I looked for a "credible claim of significance or importance", but all the article said was that the company was a video game developer which is working on a game, plus a bit about aims etc - nothing about any actual achievements. There must be hundreds, if not thousands, of companies like that, and Wikipedia is not a business listing directory (though Wikicompany is).


 * Although a credible claim of importance is enough to pass A7, if an article is to be kept it needs to establish WP:Notability, which is not a matter of opinion but has to be demonstrated by showing "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Significant means more than just listing-type mentions; reliable excludes Myspace, Facebook, blogs, places where anyone can post anything; independent excludes the subject's own website, affiliated ones and anything based on press releases. The test is, have people unconnected with the subject thought it important and significant enough to write substantial comment about?


 * Think hard about whether Dark Motif can pass that test, because if not you will be wasting your time. Read WP:Notability (organizations and companies) and the WP:FAQ/Organizations. Then, if you want to go ahead, reply below here and I will userfy the article for you - undelete it into your user space where you can develop it. JohnCD (talk) 11:48, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Dear JohnCD,

Thank you for your detailed explanation, I now better understand the reasons behind the deletion of the article. Nevertheless, I did some research during the past week and, with your permission, I would like to make one last attempt to establish a claim for this article.

You see, I believe this studio and the product that they are working on (Adam Syndrome) deserve a place on Wikipedia even if only because of the innovation they propose to the specific genre of games they belong to. I can't call myself a real fan but I consider myself an avid follower of the genre and I can tell you that this studio has picked the interest of many gamers out there as is evident in many forum discussions and in quite a few languages. In addition, they also picked the attention of genre-specific press, who have been following their progress for a few years now and are reporting to their readers. A quick search of mine yielded many such reports, of which I'm showing you only a short arbitrary assortment in various languages, demonstrating coverage on genre press around the world:


 * http://pc.vgcore.com/previews/472.html
 * http://www.adventuregamers.com/newsitem.php?id=1502
 * http://www.adventurecorner.de/news/2597/adam-syndrome-mit-homepage-und-screenshots
 * http://www.adventure-treff.de/kommentar.php?newsid=3193
 * http://www.adventuresplanet.it/scheda_recensione.php?game=adam
 * http://www.aventuraycia.com/noticias/773/nuevo-thriller-conspiranoico-adam-syndrome/
 * http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-3434188,00.html
 * http://www.demonews.de/Spiele/Adam-Syndrome/News/Adam-Syndrome-27688/
 * http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/2036/adam-syndrome-delayed-coming-q3-2009

If you still insist that this studio does not deserve any mentioning at all on Wikipedia, I'll accept your opinion and let it rest, but as a gamer I truly believe that this very interesting studio should indeed get mentioned on Wikipedia simply because many people do find them very interesting.

Sincerely yours, Afarshezif Afarshezif (talk) 07:22, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I am about to go away for two days and have not time to look at all those, but that looks much more promising. I have "userfied" the article for you to User:Afarshezif/Dark Motif where you can develop it. Say why it is important or significant, with links to the references. JohnCD (talk) 09:17, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Dear JohnCD,

Thank you so much for considering my request. However, I found it hard to follow your advice and say why Dark Motif is important or significant, simply because it would seem like I'm glorifying or advertizing the studio, which is neither the case nor acceptable on Wikipedia. You see, I'm not a very good writer myself, so my sole intention was to plant the seed and let other (more qualified) people add to it - like a stub, if you may.

As for links to references, I believe that when more beefy facts will start finding their way into this article in the future, the links to references will start to add up as well. At the current state of the article, it seem to me that there is too little on it to start adding links to references. I looked at many other similar studios before creating this article, and since they have very short articles as well, no references are used there either. Here are two random examples but there are many, many more: like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A9ndulo_Studios,_S.L. and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autumn_Moon_Entertainment.

Anyway, thank you again and I hope it is enough.

Sincerely yours, Afarshezif Afarshezif (talk) 08:37, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Each of those articles links to notable games the company has produced, which themselves have more substantial articles. (Also, because the quality of the existing 3,500,000 articles is regrettably uneven, and our standards are probably rising, the argument "but those other articles are just as bad" is not generally given much weight).


 * What is needed is not promotional language, but a completion of the sentence "This is not just another videogame company, it is important and significant because... " backed up by independent sources. Has the company actually produced any product yet? If not, maybe an article should wait until they have, and their output has received critical attention. JohnCD (talk) 21:56, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Christian-New Age Dialogue with wee problem
Hi John,

I thank you very much for your response re the whereabouts of the "Christian-New Age Dialogue" article. I found your response very informative and helpful -- especially your clarification re no original research. I also stumbled on the reason I thought my request for restoration was denied. I now have found the article (and monkeyed with it some) at User:Christian-New Age dialogue/Christian-New Age dialogue. But that's not my user name! No wonder I couldn't find it. My user name is "Christian-New Age Dialogue" with a capital "D." The article is "Christian-New Age dialogue" with a lower case "d." Would you kindly move it so that I can access it on my own userspace?

Again, thank you very much, Christian-New Age Dialogue (talk) 15:49, 24 August 2011 (UTC)Christian-New Age Dialogue
 * ✅ - now at User:Christian-New Age Dialogue/Christian-New Age dialogue. Sorry about that. I have also updated the links from talk pages to point to the right place. JohnCD (talk) 16:41, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

THANK YOU! 69.116.166.16 (talk) 16:51, 24 August 2011 (UTC)Christian-New Age Dialogue

Why'd you delete User:Porchcorpter?
I noticed you deleted User:Porchcorpter; however, you did not give a reason. I would assume the only valid reason would be G7, except I can't find a spot where Porchcorpter requested deletion of his user page. Again the only reasoning could be that he placed a G7 template on his user page, in which case I could not know; however, a reasoning was still not placed along with the deletion. Ryan Vesey Review me!  12:31, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Porchcorpter himself requested deletion by putting db-userreq on the page. The deletion system supplies a drop-down menu to specify the reason, which is usually filled in automatically if the page has a speedy tag on it. I don't know why that didn't happen this time; with U1 deletions I go to the history to make sure the tag was really placed by the account owner, and possibly I clicked "delete" while still on the history without going back to the page, and didn't notice that the reason slot was not filled in. JohnCD (talk) 13:02, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  14:30, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for helping a novice
Hi John Thank you for your help at fixing my mess and telling how to correctly communicate with others. I like this sense of community and helping others out :-) I'm glad i started on this new adventure... i shall learn a bit more about how it all works... but like with anything practise makes perfect.. Thanks again MatthewMatthewdhaemer (talk) 19:43, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. There is a newly-written "Guide to guidelines" at A Primer for newcomers which you might find helpful. JohnCD (talk) 19:55, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Enterr10
You opinion on Enterr10?

I was tempted to go for A3. -- Matthew Thompson talk to me bro! 10:45, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No, it's not an A3 because it does tell you something; and as an over-the air channel not an internet one, it doesn't come under A7. I suggest "unreferenced" and "notability" tags and see if it improves or, if you search and can't find any sources, consider AfD. JohnCD (talk) 12:51, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thank you for all your help with matthew75. Sincerely appreciated.

Shirt58 (talk) 13:12, 27 August 2011 (UTC) 

What type of warning or whatever on this one page?
Okay I found this page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jessica_judd&redirect=no&rcid=460248210

It sounds like a real person and that it might qualify, but it also seems like it needs some sort of note on it.

Thanks.

Wgolf (talk) 18:10, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It's certainly a mess, but as you say it's a real person and there is enough assertion of importance to pass A7, so you were right not to speedy-tag it, though I don't know enough about athletics standards to know if it would pass AfD as notable. Someone else has moved it to Jessica Judd and added maintenance templates, so you can see what they have used. JohnCD (talk) 20:20, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeah thanks. The ones I'm ignoring are strange ones that are like from India or somewhere like that.

Wgolf (talk) 21:20, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Deleting 926 Mainstreet Apt 2.
Hello,

I see you deleted the page I created for 926 Main Street Apt. 2. I do not understand why, as the band featured two members of the group Harry and the Potters which has an extensive wikipedia to document their history. I linked between the two pages to indicate the connection of members.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bunnyfoofoowiki (talk • contribs) 20:21, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Notability doesn't stretch like that - they may be in one notable band, but that doesn't mean that another one they start is automatically notable. Has this band achieved anything to meet WP:BAND? If so, reply below here, and I will userfy it for you - move it into your user space - so that you can work on it to explain and add references. JohnCD (talk) 20:34, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Frozball
John, many thanks for the message on my talk page. I was aware it was a borderline CSD, but I was erring a bit on the side of IAR since its such an obviously unsuitable article. Still, I definitely appreciate the need to stick to the rules and the courtesy of the talk page message. Best, Claviere (talk) 17:02, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Messages crossed - fuller reply on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 17:04, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

IP
Please, block this IP.-- Frigotoni ... i'm here ;  14:34, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a string of different IPs. I have semi-protected the page, and will see whether a range-block is possible. JohnCD (talk) 14:39, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you.-- Frigotoni ... i'm here ;  14:40, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * They're all from a small range, 220.255.2.0/24, only 256 users, in Singapore, probably a school . Another admin has already blocked it for 72 hours. This is the third rangeblock on that range this month, so they are heading for a much longer one. JohnCD (talk) 14:57, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

About creating an article
Respected sir, I am a part of India Education Program. I want to creat a page on function strtok. This page has been previously deleted by you. But this is an important c library function.It is widely studied by students. I just wanted to know, why this article was deleted. thanking you!VarshaJoshi(talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:55, 29 August 2011 (UTC).

Thank you
Respected sir, Thank you very much for the information. Your message was really inspiring for newcomers like me. I will try my level best to edit WIKIPEDIA. Thank you again. Varshajoshi36 (talk) 18:00, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Something you may wish to consider ...
I believe you may have been an unwitting participant in an AFD you did not notice. May I ask that you read Articles for deletion/Plonker and notice whom and when Articles for deletion/Slag (slang) was nominated. I think that at least a 'Relist' may be in order. Exit2DOS • Ctrl • Alt • Del 19:37, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what your point is. LtPowers !voted delete in the Plonker AfD, and your reference to Slag there may have drawn that to his attention; but he is quite entitled to raise an AfD on it, and the consensus was clear. If you mean that deletion of Slag (slang) means that prospective !voters on Plonker are not able to follow your argument there, I doubt if that will influence the result, but I have temporarily undeleted it until the Plonker AfD is closed, which I do not think will be long now. JohnCD (talk) 20:06, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You are correct that he is entitled to nominate it, I do not argue that fact, however it appears, I strongly suspect, it was a nomination made in bad faith solely done to influence Plonker's AFD. Exit2DOS • Ctrl • Alt • Del 20:30, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Per WP:AGF you should judge an editor by his actions and not by your guess at his motives. The nomination was properly grounded in policy (dicdef, no sources), the debate ran the full week, and nobody disagreed and argued for keep. JohnCD (talk) 21:09, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * By the way, I have !voted weak delete on Plonker, but that was not prompted by your intervention here: I had read through the AfD with interest earlier, had been considering whether to close it, but having formulated my own view decided I had better !vote and leave the close to someone else. JohnCD (talk) 22:02, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

exaella
can you restore the exaella wiki page please see the website (http://www.exaella.cyberpunk-anime.com/index.html) and exaella's talk page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.161.215 (talk) 06:44, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|18px]] Done - as a contested proposed deletion, the article has been restored on request, but I have nominated it under the WP:Articles for deletion process, which will start a seven-day discussion at WP:Articles for deletion/Exaella. Formal notice and more explanation at User talk:Andrewoudot. JohnCD (talk) 17:40, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.161.215 (talk) 23:28, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

notability
Hi John,

I was looking for a page for a CMS I am interested in called Zotonic, I saw that a page once existed but you deleted it because of lack of notability back in 2009. As I understand, Zotonic was only released towards the end of 2009, so a lack of notability would not have surprised me. Now however, there is a large community, and a lot of information out there on it in several languages.

I was wondering if the page could be recreated, I don't want to create it myself because, 1. I don't know how 2. I like Zotonic and may be biased.

Thanks, Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.51.16.80 (talk) 09:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅. Zotonic was deleted under a process called WP:Proposed deletion, and so it is automatically restored on request, though I shall notify the user whop proposed it, who may choose to nominate it under a different process WP:Articles for deletion, which would start a debate lasting seven days. What it needs, to show notability, is references to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. Don't be shy about editing the article - it doesn't matter if you like Zotonic, as long as you don't let that show: if you don't add opinions, but only facts cited to reliable sources, there won't be a problem. JohnCD (talk) 21:20, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

User talk:108.108.206.13
Needs talk page access revocation, very insulting material posted. Calabe1992 (talk) 20:08, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Already done by Elockid. JohnCD (talk) 20:10, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Was typing that too and conflicted with you. Thanks. Calabe1992 (talk) 20:11, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Kenneth cooke245
Thanks for deleting a page just now that was created by. All of this user's other articles have been tagged as hoaxes. Can you take a look at those too please? --Biker Biker (talk) 10:25, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually I see you are on top of it. Hopefully you will catch them all. Thanks. --Biker Biker (talk) 10:28, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * All done. A not-very-heavily-disguised sock of Kennethcooke213. JohnCD (talk) 11:03, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of symbion scientific & medical solutions
Hi

Good Day

Very firstly I am sorry if i violated any rules of wikipedia. Secondly i am not able to understand how this page violates copyright acts. Well I have always been inspired by wikipedia and gained lots of knowledge from this site, so now i was wishing if people can learn about symbion scientific & medical solutions and get benefited from this organisation ( I am the owner of this small company ).

will be thankful to you if you can help me out to keep this page on wikipedia with whatever changes you want as per your norms,

Regards Khan Aatif — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khnaatif (talk • contribs) 12:20, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply on your talk page soon. JohnCD (talk) 14:46, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello,


 * Good Day,


 * I realized my mistake and I am really sorry for the trouble caused to you and your team because of me as I was new to edit any article on wikipedia. From now onward I will take care of what you have suggested me while editing any article on wikipedia.


 * Thanks for your support and guidance.


 * Thanks


 * Regards
 * Khan Aatif — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khnaatif (talk • contribs) 18:32, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries, apology absolutely not needed. JohnCD (talk) 21:56, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

RE:Civility warning
I cannot give enough apologies for the mistake. It was just my uncontrollable rage and short temper that contributed to the rude and depressing removal and edit summary. Please leave my edit summary there as a reminder that next time administrators reserve the right to treat me the same way.

I have read over both policies carefully and I will guarantee I will keep within the bounds of civility, no matter what my beef is with the user and no matter whether if the user is a banned user, a regular user, or any user of any sort.

Best regards. -- Bryce   Wilson  &#124;  talk   11:50, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * P.S. I left my message here as a result of myself being so ashamed at my serious mistake. Bryce   Wilson  &#124;  talk   11:53, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem - as long as you have learned from the mistake, that's fine. JohnCD (talk) 12:03, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Fishstick
I wish you had contacted me before deleting what I wrote. I didn't save it anywhere and i'd like to ask you to put it back up. My source is myself, and my first hand knowledge. My father had me feeding fish blocks to the guys on the band-saws when I was 14. We used to go to Gloucester every summer so he could visit Gorton's and write off the trip. I believe my brother-in-law still has some of the old equipment blueprints

I can go on and on about his history, but you tell me, where do we go from here?

Sincerely,

Craig Phillips (Whosjgalt (talk) 20:19, 8 September 2011 (UTC))

Fishstick - additional note
I just read further information on about verification. I'm still not 100% sure of whether my personal knowledge is good enough. We are talking about something that happened in the late 50s early 60s. As I mentioned, my relative may be able to dig up equipment blueprints - I don't know. And who would I send them to? Gortons may have some record, but who knows; that's a long time ago. My father died a decade ago and I thought I'd finally make a tribute to him and give him the credit due him.

Thanks

Craig Phillips

(Whosjgalt (talk) 20:33, 8 September 2011 (UTC))
 * No, I'm sorry, your personal knowledge is not enough - linked to WP:Verifiability is another fundamental policy, WP:No original research: "Wikipedia articles must not contain original research'. The term "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published source exists." Sales catalogues, perhaps? Blueprints or internal documents from the company would not do - WP:SOURCES: "Source material must have been published (made available to the public in some form)."


 * Your text is not lost - previous versions of articles are preserved. Click on "View history" at the top of the article, and you will see a list of all the successive versions (which will show you, incidentally, that it was another editor, not me, who reverted your entry). Your version is represented by a line which has "16:11, 5 September 2011" towards the left. If you click on that time/date, you will see your version, and you can copy the text from there. JohnCD (talk) 22:08, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

deleting and protecting first gen corporation
I have already mentioned that this does not contitute copyright infringement because the information that i posted are publicly available not only to the first gen corporate website but listed in several websites such as the philippine stock exchange, department of energy and other references. I am working for first gen and i am the one who wrote the article, including the references, news websites and even wikipedia references, i am not sure why you keep on deleting my article, i truly felt harrassed. kindly review the article before deleting it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunkissedguy (talk • contribs) 09:02, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, you do not understand copyright law. The fact that this is publicly available does not make it free to copy. See WP:REFUND. JohnCD (talk) 09:09, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Fine, I'd just warned him that was likely to happen, and given (again) info on copyright <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  10:17, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

 * Thank you very much! JohnCD (talk) 21:25, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

why to delete SAKTHIMICRO SYSTEM
HI SIR HAVE A NICE DAY

why to delete SAKTHIMICRO SYSTEM

how to recover that article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.135.6.153 (talk) 17:08, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a business listing directory, and is not for any kind of advertising or promotion. The articles about Sakthi micro said no more than "Sakthimicro System is Leader in IT Education, adobe authorized training center." They showed no indication that it is notable enough to have an article in an encyclopedia, which requires showing significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources - see the WP:FAQ/Organizations and WP:Notability (organizations and companies). JohnCD (talk) 22:03, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Rabbits in the arts
I don't want it to be userfied, nor do I want it deleted. What it needs is an interpretation by somebody who knowshow to speak German, and hopefully has knowledge of the subject matter. I am a zero on the first point, and close to a zero on the second. I did use the WP:TRANSLATION template. Happy editing. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 17:11, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * All that I deleted was the redirect left behind after Gurt Posh userfied your initial version. He was quite correct to do that, because it wasn't an article, it was a request for/discussion about an article, and so not suitable for the main space. I see he has now taken the best next step, and made a basic stub article with an expand German template on it. But everybody here is a volunteer, it is no-one's duty to translate the German article, it will happen only if and when someone able to do it is interested enough to do the work. You could try posting on the talk page of WP:WikiProject Arts to see if that gets someone interested. JohnCD (talk) 21:36, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I did all that. I've posted hither and yon, and I did that before you suggested it.  I am a volunteer, too, and am well aware that our contributors are doing this out of love, are often under appreciated, and carry on anyway.  I've never dealt  with a translation request, so you will have to put up with my erroneous way.  All I ever wanted was to get a good German article into our encyclopedia.  Happy editing and good luck.   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 00:38, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * No worries, and no offence meant - sometimes people have the idea that there is an entity called "Wikipedia" which has a moral obligation to produce the article they want. Cheers, JohnCD (talk) 11:29, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of "Mind Warp"
Hi John,

I'm not sure the CSD was correctly applied here. Patrick Cowley does have an article - a typo in the article meant that he wasn't linked to correctly. As the last album recorded before his death (released the year he died) this might be notable after expansion. Your call. Yunshui (talk) 10:47, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Quite right - it said "Patrick Powley" and I only checked that he had no article. I see it has been recreated as Mind Warp with the right artist's name, so it won't get speedied again, but it'll need more sources if it gets challenged against WP:NALBUMS. JohnCD (talk) 11:25, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

deleted article
Hello, I'd like to contact you by email to discuss this, but can't find the 'Email this user' link in the Toolbox. My email is annadel.simms@orange.fr. Please could you send me an email address where I can contact you. Many thanks. 83.202.230.106 (talk) 13:19, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * "Email this user" only works if you have a Wikipedia account and have enabled email in your preferences. I have sent you an email you can reply to. JohnCD (talk) 13:25, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

thank you & how to recover that article
ok sir how to recover that article advanced thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.135.117.104 (talk) 16:43, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I suppose the article you mean is Sakthimicro system. If by "recover" you mean that you want a copy of the text, there was very little - one version said "Sakthimicro System is Leader in IT Education, first time in sri lanka adobe authorized training center, adobe solution partyner" and others just said "computer education" or "IT education." If you mean that you want the article restored to Wikipedia, the answer is no: Wikipedia is not a business listing directory. Read WP:FAQ/Organizations and WP:Notability (organizations and companies) for more explanation. JohnCD (talk) 21:41, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Bang banged Khabba, Khabba banged Bang (etc etc etc)
Good day! Would it be possible to protect the talk page Talk:Bang_banged_Khabba%2C_Khabba_banged_Bang? I see it by itself has been recreated with more incomprehensibility... <font color="#9400D2" face="comic sans ms"> ŞůṜīΣĻ <font color="#00008C" face="Papyrus">¹98¹ <font COLOR="#DC143C"> Speak 12:15, 14 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Amend self: I mean of course protect it after it's been deleted! <font color="#9400D2" face="comic sans ms"> ŞůṜīΣĻ <font color="#00008C" face="Papyrus">¹98¹ <font COLOR="#DC143C"> Speak 12:15, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ - and the other one, Talk:“Bang banged Khabba, Khabba banged Bang” with the title in quotes. Enough of this nonsense. JohnCD (talk) 13:01, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * God, there was another one?? Many thanks! <font color="#9400D2" face="comic sans ms"> ŞůṜīΣĻ <font color="#00008C" face="Papyrus">¹98¹ <font COLOR="#DC143C"> Speak 13:06, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Ok sir how to rewriting SAKTHIMICRO SYSTEM article
Have a nice day Ok sir how to rewriting SAKTHIMICRO SYSTEM article advanced thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.135.61.226 (talk) 03:09, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * This has been explained to you many times: I will explain it once more. If you do not understand, please ask someone to translate it for you.


 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It is not a business listing directory, and it is not a notice-board for people who want to write about their companies. It does not expect to have an article about every company that exists. Companies are only included if they are notable, which is not a matter of opinion but has to be demonstrated by showing "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Significant means more than just listing-type mentions; reliable excludes Myspace, Facebook, blogs, places where anyone can post anything; independent excludes the subject's own website, affiliated ones and anything based on press releases. The test is, have people not connected with the company thought it important enough to write substantial comment about? There is more information at the WP:FAQ/Organizations and at WP:Notability (organizations and companies) and at WP:42.


 * There are many companies which are good and useful companies, but are not notable, so they are not of enough general interest for an encyclopedia, and Wikipedia will not accept articles about them. Sakthimicro is probably one of those. Before you spend more effort trying to make an article, think hard about whether you can really show notability, because if not you will be wasting your time and ours.


 * If you are connected with the company you should also read the guidelines WP:Conflict of interest and WP:Best practices for editors with conflicts of interest. JohnCD (talk) 17:34, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Reply to email
Dear JohnCD, Thanks for your assistance. I haven't read it all yet, but it looks interesting and something I could (should) use. I went to the bottom of the page, but all there was is 'OK, I understand.' So I put it here. If this is someone else's statement, I'm sorry to interject. If I could have done better, would you please take a second (like you already have done) and steer me right. I'm grateful to you, no matter what. I'm Peter Lamont. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Lamont (talk • contribs)
 * Yes, you put it in the right place, and were understandably confused by the previous message which was a header only. An improvement would be to provide a header of your own to distinguish your message from previous ones, either by putting it on a line by itself with two "equals" signs at each end (as I have now done) or by clicking the "New section" tab at the top of the page, which will give you a form with boxes for header and message, and will automatically put it in the right place. Also, if you end your message with four "tilde" characters ~, the system will turn it into a "signature" of your username and the time and date - like this: JohnCD (talk) 11:56, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Too-rapid A3 tag
Thanks alot for letting me know. Karthik Nadar (talk) 13:36, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Sherman Minton
I had a problem with one edit. If you could help (this is today's FA), I would appreciate it. Thanks. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 13:39, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Another user has answered on the article talk page - you didn't need both section and subsection in your link. JohnCD (talk) 13:53, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * We did get it fixed. I did not initially understand your advice.  This is tomorrow's WP:FA, so I wanted it right. Thank you.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 01:23, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you! I have already given some advice on your talk page, and I will add more soon. JohnCD (talk) 17:51, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Please restore the white skull of the band page that you deleted diogo alvim (talk) 20:36, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I did not delete White Skull - see the deletion log. You should talk to . All that I deleted was a redirect from "White skull", small "s", which was left as a dead link after the article was deleted. JohnCD (talk) 20:45, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Template:S-line/YRT left/Viva Purple
Are you sure you want to delete all of these templates? I understand the author has requested deletion, but they are used in Other_Vivastations. This article was created via an AFD/merge of several other articles. It's just been put up for deletion and I think the deletion of these templates is a little early. I was considering undoing the CSD G7 nom. What do you think?--v/r - TP 14:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe I was premature, but I saw the article was at what seemed to be an uncontentious AfD with its original author (also the template author) !voting delete. I would not object if you restored them, but I suggest it will be enough if I watch the AfD and restore them if the article is kept or if a debate starts where it seems their absence might be confusing. I'll make a note to that effect at the AfD. JohnCD (talk) 19:36, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Since most of the articles were previously deleted and the remaining use of the templates all redirected to the same page, or had red links, the succession just did not function properly. Secondarywaltz (talk) 20:40, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Sandbox
Thanks! :) Annie maverick (talk) 15:40, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Daphne Caruana Galizia
You have deleted the article I started about the Maltese journalist Daphne Caruana Galizia. Anyone who knows anything about Malta will be able to tell you that she is an extremely notable, prominent public figure; perhaps one of the nation's most prominent public figures. There were a number of independent external references to that page. Could you enlighten me as to why you deleted the article? Kont Dracula (talk) 08:11, 17 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I deleted the article (in February 2010) as a result of a clear consensus to delete after a lengthy deletion debate at Articles for deletion/Daphne Caruana Galizia. JohnCD (talk) 09:47, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

I am still a little confused here. Why was the article deleted? What were the grounds for deleting it? Surely something can not be deleted purely on the grounds of "consensus"; i.e. the Nuremberg defence - you deleted it because other people told you to. Otherwise, it would be quite easy to mobilise enough people to establish a "consensus" for deleting any article. Surely, for the purpose of deleting an article about a Maltese personality, you must have consulted someone knowledgeable about Malta. It would be ludicrous to delete an article without any knowledge at all of the subject. Who did you consult? Honestly, it cannot have been anyone who has lived in Malta within the last 20 years. To a Maltese person, the subject is at least as well known as Oprah Winfrey in the US. I am afraid you have either been duped or the whole process of deleting articles is very deeply flawed. The subject is extremely notable. You were utterly incompetent in deleting the article. Kont Dracula (talk) 19:03, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * "Consensus to delete" is not a Nuremberg defence: the way these decisions are made in Wikipedia is to have an open debate, usually for seven days, at the end of which an uninvolved administrator reviews the arguments put forward. It is not "easy to mobilise a consensus to delete" because the debates are open, canvassing is discouraged, those who wish to keep are allowed to make their case (at interminable length if they choose, as here) and the default decision if there is no consensus is to keep. If you look at a day's list of deletion debates, such as this one you will see that by no means everything nominated is deleted.


 * In this case, to see the reasons for deletion, read through the deletion debate looking at the comments which start with "Delete." References to "BLP" are to Wikipedia's important policy on WP:Biographies of living persons: a concern was that the article was being used as an attack page. The history shows numbers of single-purpose accounts edit-warring to give WP:UNDUE weight to unfavourable information about domestic troubles and about an impending court case.


 * If having read through the debate you consider that I did not correctly judge the consensus of those taking part, there is a place to appeal: Deletion review. That is not a place to re-hash the arguments from the AfD, but to argue either that the closing admin did not judge consensus correctly or that a new article is possible which overcomes the reasons for deletion.


 * You are most likely to succeed at Deletion Review if you present a new draft article. You will see that at the end of the debate a user offered to help Qattusu "start a draft of a new, balanced, neutral article in your user space if you'd like", and on User talk:Qattusu others made the same offer; but Qattusu chose not to take up those offers.


 * If you want to create a new article about Ms Galizia, you are welcome. You should make a draft in your user space - see Help:Userspace draft for how to do that. Read WP:Verifiability, WP:Notability, WP:Biographies of living persons, and make sure that it is balanced - neither a hagiography nor a hatchet job. If her notability is as a journalist, that is what the article should concentrate on. Claims like "one of the nation's most prominent public figures" should be backed by references, not merely asserted. She is evidently a controversial figure, but Wikipedia is not a battleground and is not a soapbox, and will not allow itself to be used as a weapon in Maltese political feuds. When you have a draft article, you should first ask me as closing admin for the AfD, but I will probably suggest that it should be reviewed at Deletion Review.


 * You will get on better on Wikipedia if you assume good faith and do not accuse people of ignorance and incompetence before you hear what they have to say. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 12:05, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I have been getting on just fine on wikipedia thank you very much. The only articles that I have started which I have had any trouble with have been articles related to Malta, deleted by individuals who evidently know nothing about Malta. To take this case in point, the subject's name is Daphne Caruana Galizia - her surname is Caruana Galizia, not Galizia as you incorrectly state.

The offer to rewrite the article is about as hollow as someone who has kicked your window in offering to let you go to buy a new one. It is ironic that you accuse me of bad faith when it fact it is you who acted in bad faith in deleting the article without any grounds whatsoever. Rewriting it will take a good deal of my time, time which I am loathe to expend without any assurance that a similarly incompetent administrator as yourself will not charge in to delete it, despite not having any knowledge of the subject. I have written articles on a variety of topics concerning persons of places of very different spheres but I have never written anything on a subject I know nothing at all about. Is it really such a demand to expect at least a modicum of understanding of the topic from so-called "administrators" who delete pages? Interestingly enough, the article on the Maltese wikipedia, which is almost entirely based on my original English language article has not been deleted and the subject is very evidently deemed notable: http://mt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_Caruana_Galizia Evidently though, as you know a lot more than they do about Malta, you should delete it. If the article had been hijacked and turned into an attack article then it should have been locked, not deleted. As for the fact that Wikipedia is not a battleground and not a soapbox, there was nothing whatsoever about the subject's personal life in my original article. Nothing at all. Anyway, the so-called "personal details" of an incident of domestic abuse have to be seen in the context of the subject being charged with the defamation of a magistrate - a serious crime, punishable by imprisonment. You may as well delete the Chappaquiddick_incident from the article about Ted_Kennedy if you consider all reference to personal matters to be inappropriate. But that is all by and by as there was nothing of the most recent controversies involving the subject in my original article. People like you are the problem with Wikipedia. You would much rather destroy something than attempt to understand it. Kont Dracula (talk) 09:25, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You disagree with my close of an AfD eighteen months ago. You have taken the first step by asking me to change my decision. No, I will not. If you want to take it further, the next step is WP:Deletion review. I repeat my advice that success there is more likely if you present a draft article. JohnCD (talk) 22:41, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

I am afraid you are onto another loser by corralling your buddy Off2riorob to your support by getting him to attack recent pages I have authored - such as the one on Sam Leith which, surprise, surprise had its notability questioned very shortly after I pointed out your crass incompetence. Sam Leith, while not as notable as Daphne Caruana Galizia in the country and field in which he works, has just been nominated for the comment awards http://www.commentawards.com. He writes a weekly column for the Evening Standard, for God's sake. Really, really pathetic. Kont Dracula (talk) 22:50, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi John
I noticed that my page about Hougang Hools is deleted and also a section in Hougang United FC page. As I am new to wiki, I did not add anough information for your editing.

I hope you can consider the page again, and I will include more information for your reference.

http://hougangunited.blogspot.com/p/hougang-hools.html

"The Hougang United official fan club also known as the Hougang HOOLS was officially inaugurated on the 1st January 2011, just as the football club underwent a change of name (from Sengkang-Punggol Football Club to the present Hougang United Football Club).

The fan club is run by a passionate group of football fans who enjoy bringing the famous English football-stadium atmosphere to our very own local football scene. In short, we are fans who appreciate the English football style of singing and chanting for 90 minutes for our Hougang United heroes!

Being an Hougang HOOLs means you are part of a community that believes football fans are important to the clubs; and to a greater extend help the development of the football scene in the domestic league.

We bring not only the atmosphere into Hougang Stadium but also our singing helps raise the morale of the players.

The Cheetahs are the reason why we are here, and we are the reason why they play better. And this positive cycle can only mean that our community grows and greater things come to Hougang United FC and it's players.

Hougang HOOLs has only just begun it's journey of being the best supporters club in the S-League and we will strive to reach that goal and more.

We welcome anyone and everyone who is passionate about football to join us in this journey of re-inventing the football scene in Singapore. Cheers!"

Sincerely Boon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.17.225 (talk) 05:25, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but Wikipedia is quite selective about subjects for articles - a club, or anythinbg else, has to be notable, which is not a matter of opinion but of giving references that show [[WP:42|significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources

]]. The test is, have people not connected with the club thought it important enough to write substantial comment about? It is very unlikely that a supporters' club can do that, but you could put a few words about the club into the Hougang United FC page. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:44, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Dear John,

Thank you for your reply. I will do as you suggested, that is to put some words in the Hougang United FC page about the supporters club. Thanks :)

on the deletion of "pan yayincilik"
I had two objections: 1. "competence in musicology"; 2. "being from a different cultural sphere"; you didnt reply to the second one and based your view only on the first; I am not sure if your argumentation is justified when taken in isolation (after all, the same -i.e. deletion by unrelated editors- happened before twice to me, with my entries of "peter wegner" and "DV8", world renowned "computer scientist" and "contemporary dance company", respectively; they were deleted by "unrelated" editors but time has proved that they "WERE" significant and therefore, maintained and contributed on further

nonetheless, here is a reference to an independent secondary source (http://www.serhanbali.com/)you asked for:

its author, serhan bali, is the editor-in-chief of the only turkish, decade old, "classical music" journal "Andante" (http://www.andante.com.tr/) and he wrote on the "pan publishing's importance" after the 1st musicology conference held in 2010 in istanbul:

original 21. yüzyıl Türkiye’sinde neden bir kitapçıya girildiğinde önümüze çıkan müzik yayınları hâlâ bir avuçtan ibarettir ve neden bunların yarısı yabancı kaynaklardan tercüme edilmiştir? Bu ülkede düzenli müzik kitapları çıkaran tek yayımcı neden hâlâ, cengâver gibi çalışan Pan Yayıncılık’tır? Soruları sürdürebiliriz.

google translation (you can try it yourself) 21. Why century's Turkey entered a bookstore in front of us, and why the music consists of half of these publications are still a handful have been translated from foreign sources? Why still the only publisher in this country, which regular music books, works like a warrior Yayıncılık'tır Pan? Questions continue.

improved google translation Why on entering a bookstore in 21. century's Turkey we have (in front of us) only a handful of music (publications) where half of these publications are those that have been translated from foreign sources? Why still the only publisher in this country, publishing regularly music books is, working like a warrior, is Pan Publising? Questions abound.

woow... if for every contribution for an incremental enrichment of wikipedia we have to struggle like this and spend hours and hours for proving the relevance/authenticity of the proposed material, ... I dunno what to say Denischetwynd (talk) 16:20, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * In an ideal world, maybe every new two-line article would be checked by experts in the field, but Wikipedia gets about one new article a minute. A high proportion of them will never be acceptable, and so the New Page Patrol has to do an initial filter. Criteria have been agreed for what can be speedily deleted by two pairs of eyes - a tagger and an admin - and those include WP:CSD "An article about a real person... organization... or web content that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant." It does not take an expert in musicology to make that assessment, nor is being a php programmer a disqualification. If a subject is notable, it is up to the article author to explain to the lay reader why.


 * Although a "credible claim of importance" is enough to pass A7, if an article is to be kept the verifiability and notability requirements mean that it will need references that show significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources, and an article is much less likely to be tagged for deletion if it has some references when it is posted.


 * If you want to take time about developing an article and adding references, the article creation screen offers the useful suggestion that "You can also start your new article at Special:Mypage/####. There, you can develop the article with less risk of deletion; ask other editors to help work on it; and move it into 'article space' when it is ready." Help:Userspace draft is another way to do that.


 * I have userfied the article for you to User:Denischetwynd/Pan Yayıncılık where you can develop it. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:13, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Transcreation
Hi John,

My name is Sarah Abery, I wrote the Transcreation article.

I was wondering what you would recommend I change about the article in order for the warnings to go away.

Would you recommend restructuring it? And if so, how?

Thank you so much for your help so far!

Kindest regards,

Sarah — Preceding unsigned comment added by Transcreation11 (talk • contribs) 17:17, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't worry too much about the notices at the top of the article - they are not warnings so much as invitations for other editors to come and help - they put the article into various lists which specialists look at. I have sorted out the "Orphan" one, by finding several article which use the term in your sense and "Wikilinking" them by putting double square brackets round the word so that it looks on the edit screen like <tt> transcreation </tt> but appears as transcreation, a "blue-link", clicking on it takes you to the article. (If there were no article at that name, it would appear as a "redlink"). More advice on your talk page, but maybe not for a few days as I shall be away. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:27, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Administrator's Noticeboard case involving Jespah
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is "Proposed topic ban of Jespah". Thank you.  Ol Yeller <font style="color:#827839;">Talktome 18:58, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notification - I will watch it, but have not been much involved and don't at the moment feel a need to comment. JohnCD (talk) 22:29, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

NNU Project
Thank you for your comments regarding this kind of misunderstanding. I hadn't quite been able to put my finger on it so succinctly. I will try to clarify this in class. Thank you also for adding your list to the names of those willing to help! Njnu-ban-xueshenghao (talk) 00:37, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Just an amusing comment
You wrote: "...ask your instructor to read that and WP:School and university projects". In this case, the instructor (me) wrote much of the WP:SUP page :D --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 01:19, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Ha! I did wonder if perhaps you were his instructor - it was the indefinite article "As a course instructor" made me not sure. Anyway, thanks for WP:SUP - as you can see, I often point people to it. JohnCD (talk) 21:07, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

A17989 road
You may want to have a look at this hoax. Hhh0002 (talk) 13:29, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Someone else got there first - not a very interesting one, as hoaxes go. JohnCD (talk) 21:08, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of article

 * I deleted it because of Wikipedia's important policy on Biographies of living persons which says that:

"'Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion.'"
 * JohnCD (talk) 12:02, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

John Zangrilli
Hello,

Regarding http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Zangrilli

I am the owner of that text and have 100% rights to it. It was published on the NJSA website (I am the administrator). It can not be that way that when I submit an article for example that has 10 A4 pages and now you are telling me that in order to put it on wikipedia I need to write about the same person 10 different A-4 pages.

I submitted below the article a copyright information that should help you understand that this is my work and it can be published outside of the NJSA website.

Please publish my information's about John Zangrilli back on wikipedia

thank you Gsslweb — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gsslweb (talk • contribs) 20:12, 24 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Apologies - the copyright search found the www.njrefs.com site which displays a copyright notice, and I did not see that the article linked a different site with a CC-BY-SA release, which is what Wikipedia needs. So I have restored the article, but it could do with more references to meet the notability requirement, which asks for evidence of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources - see WP:Your first article for more advice. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:07, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Who are you
Why delete pages, I will be reporting you my friend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jac Giles (talk • contribs) 22:35, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Condition Gadgets is a respectable business, dont delete that because its not spam or junk. Its a registered company with the "governemt" get your facts right before you delete things.

You will hear more about this — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jac Giles (talk • contribs) 22:38, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Just being a registered company is not enough - Wikipedia is not a business listing directory. More advice on your talk page soon. JohnCD (talk) 09:48, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Blocked IP
Thanks for blocking IP 92.40.250.223. Is there any chance the edit summaries can be blanked as they are abusive to myself and other editors - Thanks Vrenator (talk) 10:22, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think those are really bad enough to need WP:REVDEL, which is a heavy hammer we are told to use sparingly. No-one seeing those edit summaries will actually think the worse of you or the other targets - in fact, I consider that kind of abuse a badge of honour: it shows you're doing good anti-vandal work! JohnCD (talk) 17:52, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Tommy Ton Page Deleted
How should I cite to Penny Martin's biography then? This is written with no promotional tone. I will put references on bottom. (Hkuo (talk) 21:25, 30 September 2011 (UTC))
 * If you think that "phenomenally successful... obsessive and extensive knowledge of fashion design... revered for his rare ability... an arbiter of taste... his inventive images... " etc. is not a promotional tone, I do not think we are on the same planet. Anything like that will be deleted from Wikipedia at sight. I will give you advice on your talk page, but not till tomorrow. JohnCD (talk) 21:41, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

about production drawing
I'm creating new article page named Production drawing.I need some time TO COMPLETE MY WHOLE ARTICLE.So,Dont delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rathodgs.mech (talk • contribs) 21:37, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Article userfied, advice on talk page. JohnCD (talk) 21:55, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Four Lions Airsoft Team
You recently deleted my page Four Lions Airsoft Team because you thought it was not important enough for wikipedia. It is an official team that has been staning for almost a year with loyal members, we meet up alot and the team is very established. None of us are very proficient with computers which is why we do not have a website but we do have a facebook page that we have regular discussions on. I am a responsible person and would not have posted an article as a joke because I realise that it would be deleted almost immediately. So can I please have my article back? Please? Thanks Jake :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yarrix (talk • contribs) 16:25, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I didn't think it was a joke, but I'm afraid none of what you say makes your team suitable for a Wikipedia article - the requirement for an organization (or anything else) is what we call notability, which is not a matter of opinion but has to be demonstrated by by showing references to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. JohnCD (talk) 20:09, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Uninvolved users...?
The reason I am a webmaster etc for them is that there is a certain lack on interest in anything related to computers or internet-based stuff once you cross the border into Vermont. Part of it is that this is an area where access is horrid - one of the targets for a national program to improve things - part of it is the nature of the dominant generation of classical music players involved. I am very, very good at being neutral, had to do it for most of my career. (And I did a lot of the internal Wikipedia at my workplace before I retired.) That'll show once I finish this article. But I am concerned about this whole thing being held up indefinitely once I finish the article, and seeing something ultimately get posted by someone with a less neutral approach.

So - what exactly is involved in terms of process by "uninvolved parties" taking a look, and how do I get that moved out of neutral if it, as I suspect, simply pops up no problems?

Celia Murray — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.228.127.119 (talk) 18:08, 1 October 2011 (UTC)  (This is user  editing logged out). JohnCD (talk) 19:20, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 19:59, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the comeback
I am working on the page now and I doubt that anyone will find it lacking in links, including within Wikipedia, or objectivity. I really don't have time to formulate opinions - it's enough to just put down what the group does/has done. My concern about attitude was based on one thing I found when I went out there to look for links to web sites of composers who have done compositions for us. (I bet I am the only webmaster out there who has to beg for links from participants rather than having to turn away bad ideas.) Someone who had a bad experience in a rehearsal under the wand of a substitute conductor we had one time turned it into a bit of a campaign on her personal web page. Said substitute conductor has never been invited back, and can't be any more since I think they passed away. But while very limited in scope I know that is out there. And in all-volunteer organizations it can often take very little to have a quite damaging effect.

I expect to have sufficient meat on the bones to move it out for review by the end of the day tomorrow, even with one wing down.

Celia Murray Cemmur (talk) 20:15, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

OK - got it and will take out any adjectives that aren't supported by a third party (not that the article is heavy in those). That does mean sources outside of Wikipedia for one anyway. As to the calibre of musician, I will figure that anyone who knows music will understand readily that they are unlikely to hear their community orchestra tackle works like Symphonie Fantastique or La Mer. Unless their community orchestra is something like the Birmingham Philarmonic...

Celia MurrayCemmur (talk) 12:09, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Give Thanks
Hi John, I would like to request the articles deleted in the above referenced AFD userfied to the following: I'm not challenging the deletion, because quite frankly, the decision was appropriate based on the information that was provided in the discussion. That said, I'm familiar with the song "Give Thanks", which is listed as a Gold record on the RIAA website, but the website won't direct to the entry without running an internal search using the keywords "Moen, Don". One available source that confirms the Gold record is in Billboard Magazine's Mar 11, 1995 issue. "Thank You Lord" charted in 2005. I would like to review the deleted articles to ascertain their viability. I would be happy to contact you for feedback before considering moving to the mainspace. Honestly, I don't know that all can be restored, but I'm confident that "Give Thanks" and "Thank You Lord" meet the topical notability guidelines. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks, Cind.   amuse  (Cindy) 03:40, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * User:Cindamuse/Workshop/Give Thanks
 * User:Cindamuse/Workshop/Steadfast Love
 * User:Cindamuse/Workshop/God for Us
 * User:Cindamuse/Workshop/Bless the Lord
 * User:Cindamuse/Workshop/Thank You Lord
 * I have done the two you think most promising - have a look at them, and then tell me if you want the others. Check with me (or WP:Deletion review if I'm not around) before moving them back to the mainspace. At a glance, the references seem thin against the WP:NALBUMS requirement for "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject": the refs to DonMoen.com are all deadlinks (and not independent anyway); apart from them, "Thank you, Lord" has one review, "Give Thanks" has one ref which is not about this album but about the composition of the hymn (by someone else). JohnCD (talk) 17:14, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll just contact you if I can meet the GNG. No need for DRV, since the deletion was an appropriate response to the discussion. If I'm not able to find sources, I'll just hit you up to delete the articles. Thanks again, Cind.   amuse  (Cindy) 17:34, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Would you mind taking a look at the following and let me know your thoughts? User:Cindamuse/Workshop/Give Thanks and User:Cindamuse/Workshop/Thank You Lord. thanks, Cind.   amuse  (Cindy) 05:11, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry for delay in responding - tomorrow, honest! JohnCD (talk) 22:02, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * They look OK to me, but I'm not an expert in that field; I have decided the thing to do is check with who raised the AfD, so I have done that here. If Noleander is happy, I'll restore them: if not, we should probably go to DRV and let others give a view. Will you want to have a go at the other three? Regards, JohnCD (talk)
 * Thanks. These albums are hugely huge (sic) in the Christian and Gospel music industry and in churches throughout the world. The genre is highly underrepresented on Wikipedia. Unfortunately, this is one of those areas less likely to have the support of men, rather than women. "The great gender divide." My mother was a Gospel recording artist for over 40 years and just laughed when I told her they were deleted. I'm confident that the two albums (on the charts and recognition as certified Gold) are notable, fully supported through significant reliable and independent sources. That said, I'm unfamiliar with the other albums and could not find information to support notability, so I'm gonna let them stay buried. Thanks again, Cind.   amuse  (Cindy) 23:43, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I have restored those two. I will put some sort of note on their talk pages tomorrow to explain. I will also look at the former redirects to them - after that AfD I deleted at least fifteen redirects to these articles, but I will only restore ones that seem useful. Noleander has started an interesting discussion at WT:NMUSIC which I may contribute to if I can decide what I think about his point. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:44, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks John! I sincerely appreciate your help. Best regards, Cind.   amuse  (Cindy) 00:27, 3 October 2011 (UTC)