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Disambig pages
A fairly minor note, but since I noticed your edit summary over at the Tear disambiguation page, and this applies more as a general style thing as opposed to that one page... MoS:DAB does not specify an alphabetical arrangement, but rather an arrangement based on a rough idea of what's most commonly used as well as, for longer lists, an arrangement based on logic or similarly grouped topics. Of course, when a list truly is arbitrary (say, a list of places), then alphabetical arrangement is better than nothing, but in a case like "Tear" where there is a clear "best" answer ("Tears" in this case), alphabetical arrangement should probably not be used. SnowFire 03:09, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Shell game corrections
**MOVED FROM MY USER PAGE** Thanks for your fixes after my changes to Shell game - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shell_game&diff=next&oldid=99234115

I missed that.

Interestingly, the verb was okay in British English (and by extension Aussie English), but not okay in US English. See: [1]

e.g. If I replaced the word "gang", by "they" -> "surround" would be the choice.

I'll let it stand.

Thanks again.

202.63.40.179 20:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, what you apparently meant to do was change the original sentence to read, "the gang surround him/her," but you wrote, "the player/victim the gang surround him/her," which does not make sense. Soapy 20:52, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Languages of the European Union
I have made some changes in the article and I have also included the suggestion you made at the talk page. Take a look. --Michkalas 14:29, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * As there is an ongoing and rather prolonged discussion over some data about the new member states in Languages_of_the_European_Union, please see the discussion in Talk:Languages_of_the_European_Union and, as you have recently contributed to the article, you may want to add some comment. --Michkalas 20:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Regarding edits made to Empire On Fire
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History of Auckland
Thanks for your work on this article :-) Winstonwolfe 19:15, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

FYI: I have some tools that may simplify your "Where I have been" secton of your user page
I see you have a list of nations and/or states/provinces on your user page. I would like to offer you some templates for this task I created for my own list. One pair of templates will create entries identical to the one I use. (I suggest you copy my legend if you use them.) Other templates will provide just a flag or name (nation or province/state).


 * Highlights:
 * All use a simple code.
 * Nations are identified with a two letter top-level Internet domain code (except for the United States of America, which uses "USA").
 * States and provinces are identified with postal codes (so far anyway).
 * Nation and state/province names are linked.
 * The low level templates return flag images with just the filename allowing you to control the image size and caption.
 * All flag images located so far are SVG.
 * If any flag images or names on your page officially change, your user page will get the update as soon as I know about it.


 * One drawback:
 * Currently the province templates can only look up data for the United States of America and Canada. However, additional capability can be readily added.  All I need to do is create a starter template and let you add the provinces.


 * Note: Not all templates in this next category are listed in the interests of space. To see a list of the missing functions, please see  and.

Will (Talk - contribs) 17:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Cayuse
Thanks for the heads up man. Khoikhoi 04:37, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

RfDs
You don't need to make a separate entry for each of those redirects. See how I formatted your previous entry (March 6). John Reaves (talk) 18:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

It's not keystrokes that cause me grief with disambiguation
It's the spelling! I can never spell that word correctly, but I can spell disambig. - Ta bu shi da yu 23:04, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I do not understand
I am afraid that I do not understand what you are trying to tell, about the hikari no densetsu page.Angel,Isaac 00:30, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

re: (disambig) →
Good morning, Johnl. If you already know this, I apologize. I am about to describe a common misperception about the WikiMedia software. It was not clear from your comments whether or not you personally held this belief but it was clear from the comments of others that this remains a common mistake and deserved correcting.

Many people nominate redirects for deletion because they think they are "useless" and that deleting a page somehow saves either server space or some other form of system resources. Hard drives are cheaper than they used to be but still not free - so if we don't need a page, why not save a few pennies? The problem is that the underlying assumption is not true. The WikiMedia software never actually "deletes" anything, it just moves a page from viewable-by-everyone status to viewable-only-by-admins. Even deleted, the page is still in the system, consuming just as much computer memory. In fact, because WikiMedia keeps every version of a page, deleting it actually increases the computer resources consumed since we are now storing both the deleted and undeleted versions in the hidden history.

Of course, the real irony is that the discussion about the deletion invariably consumes many times the system resources as the disputed content did.

The history that I was talking about is the history of the project generally. Remember that many more people read Wikipedia than edit it. (The studies I've seen suggest a 10:1 ratio.) Many of those people are intermittent readers at best but many of them do create bookmarks or external links to favorite pages. Being a wiki, we have the right to change those pages, move them to better titles, etc. But we ought to leave a trail behind so that when the user comes back, they can find the content again. That's the principle behind the automatic creation of redirects whenever pages are moved. Redirects are an extremely low-cost way to leave a trail that others can follow even when they are coming in from outside.

Many have recently argued that this need is obsolete - that the search engine is sufficient for readers to find what they were looking for. I used to think that myself until someone walked me through an exercise where the functional limitations of our search engine were very clearly proven. This issue has been repeatedly demonstrated. The search engine is a great tool but is not and can not be the only navigational tool that we give readers. Hope that helps. Rossami (talk) 15:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

STEP & Step - disambiguation pages
No, you've not missed anything. It seems I haven't been keeping abreast of changes to dab policy. Your change was correct. Josh Parris 05:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Maude (disambig)
I wrote that because you had already proposed that that particular redirect be deleted, and it was ruled that it should be kept (no consensus): here. Just three days after it was kept, you changed it. RFD is the only process for deleting or removing redirects, and because you've already tried that route, there really is no other route. If you want to try again a few months from now, that's fine, but redirects aren't harmful, and I'd argue that as long as the redirect has some history, and is not disparaging or irrelevant, it should be kept. Ral315 » 19:19, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

"Added note about changing links." edits on "(disambig)" redirects
These don't seem very helpful. If you want to nominate these as redirects for deletion, go ahead, but leaving "editorial notes" in the article space isn't good practice ("self-references", etc), you're breaking any links that do actually exist, and they're now all showing up on Special:Uncategorizedpages. I suggest these would be better returned to being redirects, until such time as they're orphaned and deleted. Alai 01:46, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't personally argue to keep them; they seem unlikely to be useful for human navigation. But equally, they don't seem to be doing any reak harm, and the "local culture" at RFD seems to be keep redirects, unless there's some strong reason to get rid of them (as you may have noticed). But turning them into something-other-than-redirects would tend to make them more of nuisance, not less, and doing do in order to have them deleted might be seen as trying to "venue shop", if you ask for deletion via some other route or process. I'd suggest just leaving them as redirects until such time as there's some sort of consensus to delete them. Alai 19:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

CSD Nominations for "(disambig)" redirects
Please stop converting "(disambig)" pages to editorial notes and nominating them for speedy deletion. Editorial notes do not go on article pages. The speedy deletion criteria do not apply to these redirects. The failure of your previous RFD nominations  should be enough of an indication to you that there is not community consensus for deleting this type of redirect. If you want to try proposing them at RFD again, you are welcome to. However, you need to stop with your current notes & speedy tags. That is not in keeping with Wikipedia policies & procedures. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. -- JLaTondre 12:17, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Image:Bcc.gif
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Gleichen (disambig)
Article speedy deleted as requested to accommodate a page move. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 00:56, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Canvassing
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The Mighty Kinkle
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Redirects
I didn't delete them because I didn't see the extra space. I saw Prince Dimitri of Yugoslavia (1965-), Samantha Jones (fictional character) and 461 Ocean Boulevard (Album), all of which would be OK redirects. For some reason the mitzvot is coming out as mitzvot and not mitzvot. Now that I see the extra space I'll go back and delete them. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 12:29, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

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Chubs and Disambiguation
Greetings. Recently, on Tue 16 Oct, I constructed a disambiguation page for the various fish known as chubs. After having done so, I began to contemplate whether that page and the current Chub page might be better named. I posted a discussion on the Chub page but it's not yet received any comment. I noticed from the article's revision history that you had made one or more contributions to the page. Consequently, I thought I might profit from your advice at Talk:Chub#Page title if you have a moment or two to spare. Thanks. &mdash; Dave (Talk | contribs) 03:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

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"HNoMS Nordkapp OPV" change - southwestern
Hi John,

No problem, if the British English version is south-western, then south-western it is. I've been subjected to too many variants of the English language to edit only in British English or only in American English. Its all a mix. Thanks for spell checking my work. Manxruler (talk) 21:58, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I guess you have a good point there; with the worldwide cultural influence and number of people in the US American English certainly has an advantage. However, I have now acquired the "English (Britain)"-version of the firefox spell checker so I hope that will help me in writing less American and more British, after all the English I was taught in school was British English. I'd like to keep my English fairly British and I think this new spell checker will help. Keep up the good work. Manxruler (talk) 22:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Typo
John, thanks for spotting my typo on the Interlingua page – and being "foreward" enough to correct it :) Cal (talk) 01:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for spotting my numerous 'typos' in the Armoured Warfare article. I usually re-read the contribs, so not sure what happened. Much appreciated your help.--Mrg3105 (talk) 06:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Re:Wikipedia Weekly
I'm going by the itunes deed that I have. check it out on itunes and the numbers I used make sense. The Placebo Effect (talk) 13:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

List of ships of the Royal New Zealand Navy
Thank you for formatting all the tables in this article. Please excuse my ignorance, but can you explain to me why it is a good idea to place a non-breaking space in every blank entry? --Geronimo20 (talk) 03:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

"Calcium carbonate" - preceeding => preceding
Hi,

I noticed you reverted my spelling correction for "preceding".

Looking at Wiktionary I can find a proceeding and preceding but no preceeding.

Regards,

JohnI (talk) 22:00, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, in fact I updated the entire paragraph without checking possible changes.
 * "preceding" is back again.


 * Regards.
 * Johner (talk) 09:32, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

"Republic of China"
Hi there,

I was tidying up some s on the ROC page, and noticed the following:

"Feuerwerker, Albert. 1968. The Chinese Economy, 1912-1949. Ann Arbor: University of Michigan Press."

as a separate table at the end of the list.

It seems to have been inserted by you: here.

Do you remember what this refers to, as I hoped to include the in the article?

Regards, JohnI (talk) 22:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, I am not a frequent editor of the article. So my edit may very well be questionable. I just wanted to include a lone reference in a commented out area right below the reference section. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 19:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Cameron Green
What's up with you deleting B.G.'s biography??? Make a new one if u don't mind. I worked hard on that article. & I don't appreciate u deleting my shit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cameron Green (talk • contribs) 01:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry man thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cameron Green (talk • contribs) 22:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Speling (sic)
Thanks for your corrections to my spelling mistakes (re: MonkeyBrain Books) - I proofed it several times, but was clearly too familiar to notice the errors! ntnon (talk) 18:25, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Ditto, if I didn't think barnstars were silly I would give you one. WP could do with more editors like you Fasach Nua (talk) 22:48, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I guess you're talking about my edits to Ireland national football team (1882 to 1950). Regards, JohnI (talk) 22:55, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

RE: List of Tamagotchi releases
Thanks a lot. Your help is much appreciated! Tama-Wama-Cally! (talk) 00:47, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

List of LGBT people
Just curious what this change was about? Why the lower case? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I should have looked more closely. Too used to doing DAB pages, where profession is generally lowercase. Regards, JohnI (talk) 05:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Riverside Shakespeare Company
Thanks for your corrections!Weimar03 (talk) 13:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Biography: Luis Farell
Thank you for the corrections & Wikification of this new article! --BatteryIncluded (talk) 14:32, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

And by the way
Thanks for the proof-reading. -Leodmacleod 3:30 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * For Camp (surname), I think. Thanks... JohnI (talk) 19:35, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Are you a Camp by any chance? -Leodmacleod 19:24 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No. I am Australian though. That was the misspelling I was fixing... Regards, JohnI (talk) 07:28, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

subpoena
Thanks, John, for correcting the spelling errors in subpoena ad testificandum"! A E Francis (talk) 00:51, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Good to know it was helpful. JohnI (talk) 02:18, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Britian > Britain
Thank you for correcting those two spelling mistakes. I'm actually pretty embarrassed by it, i used to spend ages searching for and correcting that very error. Cheers--Jac16888 (talk) 14:35, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Child of the Prophecy
Thanks for correcting all of my spelling mistakes, I am ashamed I made that many in that one article. Will take a closer look at my other work. Thanks! Captain-tucker (talk) 15:14, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Moderation Management
Thanks for the corrections, sometimes I wonder how I miss those get by me. -- Scarpy (talk) 05:58, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Category:New Britian Red Sox players
As far as I'm aware, categories can't be moved, even by admins. The only way to rename them is by cut-and pasting. You can create Category:New Britain Red Sox players if it's required with the following code, which I've copied from the original:



I've deleted the original, but I haven't created the replacement, as currently it seems to be unpopulated. Feel free to create it yourself if it's required. —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 22:46, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ignore that - I've just realised it is populated so I've created it. —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 22:49, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

George (given name)
Thank you "hawkeyes". Pdfpdf (talk) 11:36, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

thank you for fixing texts minerva (agora id)
you are a kind person. thanks.--Ilovesabbath (talk) 17:20, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks...
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Sorry. Will not be able to attend the meeting - will be on holiday & usually live in Brisbane. JohnI (talk) 20:59, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

No worries. What about a meetup in Brisbane the following weekend? Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Brisbane. -- John Vandenberg (chat) 05:18, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

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