User talk:JohnM7190

January 2019
Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit you made to Noise figure, did not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use the sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. Constant314 (talk) 15:49, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi. I'll laud your efforts at noise figure, but I support the removal of your edits. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It is neither a WP:TUTORIAL nor a How to guide. WP is also not a WP:SOAPBOX where editors can right great wrongs. In addition, WP wants reliable sources for its content; it is not a journal where editors publish their own ideas. The tone of your contribution was also too informal. On a similar front, it is inappropriate to criticize the IEEE using Wikipedia's voice.
 * Despite all the negatives above, I do not want to discourage you from contributing to Wikipedia. It is clear you understand parts of the subject, and that is valuable to Wikipedia. Glrx (talk) 17:35, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your kind input. Among fixes, I took out the critical tone on my sandbox copy and published it for review. I posted on the Noise Figure page's TALK, a list of statements that I hope we can all reach agreement on. Is there a standard way to post the updated article that I have on my sandbox, i.e. so that people reading the Noise Figure TALK, can see the updated version on my sandbox? --JohnM7190 (talk) 03:29, 6 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I want to echo Glrx's comments. We want you to stick around.  The way I would proceed is to work on a subpage of your user page.  I have just created your user page and a subpage for you.  You can reach your user page by clicking the User page tab in the upper left of this page.  Your sub page is User:JohnM7190/John's Noise Figure Page.  You can edit that while you figure out Latex. Your user page(s) will be public and is still subject to some Wikipedia rules, such as no copyright violations and comments about living people.  But, mostly you can do what you want there.  You really need to figure out latex so you can put your equations down where we can see them.  I started off by copying latex expressions from other articles to my user page and then making minor changes until I got the hang of it. The following article Help:Displaying a formula is extremely useful for learning Latex.

Furthermore, I want to council you to not be in a hurry. If the noise figure article as been wrong for several years then a few more weeks or months won't matter. No one should ever regard Wikipedia as a reliable source. Thus, there is urgent need to fix it. The best use of Wikipedia is to look at the sources, which is why we emphasize reliable sources. This may seem backward, but we prefer reliable secondary sources over primary sources. The reason in that primary sources make mistakes. By the time something makes it into a secondary source, several people have looked at it and some consensus has been reached. The gold standard is a collage text book, published by an established academic publishing house, that has been in print for many years and used by many universities. I am a EE also. I have text books that talk about noise, but noise figure doesn't appear in any of them. But I do have some other books.

Anyway, at this point, I don't see what your objection is to the current article. I'm looking forward to seeing your equations.Constant314 (talk) 04:19, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Noise Figure (January 6)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Buidhe was:

The comment the reviewer left was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Noise Figure and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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buidhe (formerly Catrìona) 05:58, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Sub page bad advice
It looks like I gave you bad advice on the sub page. Please follow the directions from buidhe.Constant314 (talk) 06:05, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Image Files
Hi John, I hope you are reading your talk page. I upload my files to Wikimedia Commons. If you click the figure on the Noise Figure page, it will take you to a page that shows a bigger figure and below you will find this statement


 * This is a file from the Wikimedia Commons. Information from its description page there is shown below.

If you click the description page there link, it will take you to Wikimedia Commons. There is a menu on the left. If you click the 'upload file' menu item, it will take you to the upload wizard. Once a file is uploaded to WC it can be used in any version of Wikipedia. You need to give it a unique innocuous name like "NoiseFactorDefinition_from_Friss". Don't give it a inflammatory name like "CorrectionOfEggregiousErrorInNoiseFigure".

They do have some rules, but I've never had a file deleted from WC except by my own request. Constant314 (talk) 03:08, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Noise Figure


Hello, JohnM7190. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Noise Figure".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the, , or  code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. TheTrainNoch (talk) 02:31, 25 July 2019 (UTC)