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A tag has been placed on MediaZone.com, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this article is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add  on the top of the page and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would help make it encyclopedic, as well as adding any citations from reliable sources to ensure that the article will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Corvus cornix 21:20, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate the opportunity to explain the rationale behind my MediaZone entry on Wikipedia. And please understand that this is my first entry, so I may have failed to observe all the guidelines properly. It was not my intent to use Wikipedia as a form of advertising for the company, although I am an employee. Rather, I wanted to include it with its sister companies which are listed on Wikipedia, as well as its parent company, Naspers, which also has a Wikipedia entry. As the other Naspers-owned companies are listed, I wanted to include MediaZone in Naspers page on Wikipedia, and to do so required an individual entry for the company. Thanks for your consideration. JohnRobertCrowley 21:40, 12 July 2007 (UTC) JohnRobertCrowley


 * It also appears to be a copyright violation - Corvus cornix 21:43, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Again, I appreciate your vigilance on behalf of Wikipedia and in no means am I trying to force an innappropriate entry onto the site. Are there some specifics that you can give me that seem to qualify it as a copyright violation? My attempt was merely to describe the company, its products/partners and its parent organization.

Apologies, neglected to sign. JohnRobertCrowley 21:51, 12 July 2007 (UTC)JohnRobertCrowley


 * Look at the link I provided, the section below "About MediaZone" is word-for-word what's in your article. Wikipedia doesn't allow information to be copyrighted unless it's done by the copyright holder, and even then, there are certain requirements which the copyright holder needs to follow.  Corvus cornix 22:36, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

As an employee of the company, I do have the right to use the copyrighted content, however. I was asked to create an entry by the Editorial Director. I should have made that clear.JohnRobertCrowley 22:47, 12 July 2007 (UTC)JohnRobertCrowley


 * Please read Copyright problems, see the section headed "Copyright owners who submitted their own work to Wikipedia". Also, please read WP:COI.  Corvus cornix 22:59, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your helpful feedback. Despite the issues you have cited, I'm hoping that I have met the required guidelines for a Wikipedia entry. I'm curious why the other Naspers-related entries were published but the MediaZone.com article does not meet the criteria, although it was structured along very similar lines. JohnRobertCrowley 23:14, 12 July 2007 (UTC)JohnRobertCrowley
 * I couldn't tell you. In general, the WP:INN guideline is pretty much "don't compare one article with another, stick to discussing this one", I don't know anything about those other articles.  Have you provided proof that you have the right to use this information?  Corvus cornix 23:39, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Excellent point, citing other articles is not always relevant and could be considered bad form, a "he/she did it so why can't I?" sort of thing. Understood. To your question: I have sent an email from my MediaZone address to "permissions@wikimedia.org" explaining that my use of the MediaZone material is not a copyright violation. Again, my goal was not to weaken the editorial viability of Wikipedia, nor was it to be flattering or overtly solicitous about MediaZone. Just trying to get us on equal footing with our corporate siblings, each of whom is listed on the site. If I've failed to do so correctly I'll just have to redouble my efforts, alter the tone and sharpen message and hope it passes muster. Thanks for your patience and assistance with a Wikipedia newbie.JohnRobertCrowley 23:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I hope that handles things. The people there will be able to verify things.  Corvus cornix 01:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

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How to recreate MediaZone.com
Wikipedia articles should be based on material in reliable sources that are independent of the subject so that an attributable article may be written on the topic. See General notability guideline. People typically use information from newspaper articles and books for their Wikipedia article. Material published by MediaZone.com or published under MediaZone.com's control (e.g., press releases) is not independent of MediaZone.com. Try building a draft article in your userspace at MediaZone.com (draft) using information from newspaper articles, books, and other material that is independent of MediaZone.com. The way I would recreated MediaZone.com would be to: "(1) Copy Google and paste it into a Microsoft word document. (2) Remove the 'google' information from the paste, keeping the structure. (3) Below that paste, I would copy and paste in chronological order each newspaper article that contained information about MediaZone.com. (4) Create a footnote string for each newspaper article just above that article. (5) Take the relevant information from the first news article, summarized it into sentences, and paste those sentences at the top of the Microsoft word document within the remaining Google-article structure. Footnote each sentence using the footnote you created for that newspaper article. (6) Once are the usable material has been taken from the first news article, move onto the second news article and repeat the harvesting/footnoting process. (7) Chronologically repeat the harvesting/footnoting process until you've gone through each newspaper article that contains information about MediaZone.com. (8) Copy the MediaZone.com Microsoft word document and paste it into MediaZone.com (draft). (9) Relax. You've just created at least a B-grade draft article." Once you feel that you have a draft article that meets Wikipedia's five article standards requirements, follow the steps to list a new deletion review and request that MediaZone.com be restored using your draft article as the material for the MediaZone.com Wikipedia article. Best wishes. -- Jreferee   T / C  16:48, 26 September 2007 (UTC)