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Public domain attribution
Hi JohnThorne! Please be sure to add a public-domain attribution template such as PD-notice to any citations for public domain sources from which you have copied text, such as Ellicott at the Judges 5 article (I did this one for you). Thanks! DanCherek (talk) 15:35, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I will do that. JohnThorne (talk) 19:51, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

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Tell me reason for deleting my https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:History/Parable_of_the_Mustard_Seed edit which I had done ?
I think you are more religious on wikipedia but wikipedia is not religious you must understand moreover expound to me reason for deleting my edit in wiki page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_Mustard_Seed and if you can't then don't hide truth from others. Realitybehind (talk) 05:50, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Please read Talk:Parable of the Mustard Seed before making addition and also please include reliable references for your addition.JohnThorne (talk) 07:55, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

see this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppy_seed#Description and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustard_seed it say poppy seed is less than a millimeter in diameter and it say mustard is 1 to 2 millimetres in diameter now you need any more reference. Realitybehind (talk) 12:00, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * This type of discussion should be stated in the Talk:Parable of the Mustard Seed. There are already some conversation about the material you want to add, such as whether it is really about the physical size. Your addition was deleted the first time because not having any references at all, not about the topic. JohnThorne (talk) 15:51, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022
Hello ,

At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.

Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.

In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently Special:ListUsers/patroller New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.

This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.

If you have noticed a user with a good understanding of Wikipedia notability and deletion, do suggest they help the effort by placing on their talk page.

If you are no longer very active on Wikipedia or you no longer wish to be part of the New Page Reviewer user group, please consider asking any admin to remove you from the list. This will enable NPP to have a better overview of its performance and what improvements need to be made to the process and its software.

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Disambiguation link notification for June 24
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New Page Patrol newsletter June 2022
Hello ,

At the time of the last newsletter (No.27, May 2022), the backlog was approaching 16,000, having shot up rapidly from 6,000 over the prior two months. The attention the newsletter brought to the backlog sparked a flurry of activity. There was new discussion on process improvements, efforts to invite new editors to participate in NPP increased and more editors requested the NPP user right so they could help, and most importantly, the number of reviews picked up and the backlog decreased, dipping below 14,000 at the end of May.
 * Backlog status

Since then, the news has not been so good. The backlog is basically flat, hovering around 14,200. I wish I could report the number of reviews done and the number of new articles added to the queue. But the available statistics we have are woefully inadequate. The only real number we have is the net queue size.

In the last 30 days, the top 100 reviewers have all made more than 16 patrols (up from 8 last month), and about 70 have averaged one review a day (up from 50 last month).

While there are more people doing more reviews, many of the ~730 with the NPP right are doing little. Most of the reviews are being done by the top 50 or 100 reviewers. They need your help. We appreciate every review done, but please aim to do one a day (on average, or 30 a month).

A backlog reduction drive, coordinated by buidhe and Zippybonzo, will be held from July 1 to July 31. Sign up here. Barnstars will be awarded.
 * Backlog drive

Many new articles on schools are being created by new users in developing and/or non-English-speaking countries. The authors are probably not even aware of Wikipedia's projects and policy pages. WP:WPSCH/AG has some excellent advice and resources specifically written for these users. Reviewers could consider providing such first-time article creators with a link to it while also mentioning that not all schools pass the GNG and that elementary schools are almost certainly not notable.
 * TIP – New school articles

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 * Misc

There has been significant discussion at WP:VPP recently on NPP-related matters (Draftification, Deletion, Notability, Verifiability, Burden). Proposals that would somewhat ease the burden on NPP aren't gaining much traction, although there are suggestions that the role of NPP be fundamentally changed to focus only on major CSD-type issues.


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Matthew 5:9
Hello I noticed you contributed to a topic regarding Matthew 5:9 here’s the link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_5:9 There’s a passage in the article that reads: “Martin Luther and other early Protestant translators of the Bible preferred the translation "children of God," because they wanted to avoid any confusion as to whether Jesus was the only Son of God. "Sons of God" is, however, the more accurate translation and is used by most modern Bible translations” I was wondering if I could get a citation for this quote as I’m writing a paper and it heavily depends on this being proven. If you could update the Wiki page that would be greatly appreciated! Thank you! 2607:9880:3578:92:C10F:ECC4:DBD0:2DF6 (talk) 02:29, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I am not the user who wrote this part, but you can check the listed references to get the accurate information. JohnThorne (talk) 03:55, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

NPP July 2022 backlog drive is on!
(t &#183; c)  buidhe  20:25, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for July 21
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New Page Patrol newsletter August 2022
Hello ,

After the last newsletter (No.28, June 2022), the backlog declined another 1,000 to 13,000 in the last week of June. Then the July backlog drive began, during which 9,900 articles were reviewed and the backlog fell by 4,500 to just under 8,500 (these numbers illustrate how many new articles regularly flow into the queue). Thanks go to the coordinators and, as well as all the nearly 100 participants. Congratulations to who led with 880 points. See this page for further details.
 * Backlog status

Unfortunately, most of the decline happened in the first half of the month, and the backlog has already risen to 9,600. Understandably, it seems many backlog drive participants are taking a break from reviewing and unfortunately, we are not even keeping up with the inflow let alone driving it lower. We need the other 600 reviewers to do more! Please try to do at least one a day.


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 * TIP - Reviewing by subject: Reviewers who prefer to patrol new pages by their most familiar subjects can do so from the regularly updated sorted topic list.


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For those who may have missed it in our last newsletter, here's a quick reminder to see the letter we have drafted, and if you support it, do please go ahead and sign it. If you already signed, thanks. Also, if you haven't noticed, the backlog has been trending up lately; all reviews are greatly appreciated.
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Feedback request: Religion and philosophy request for comment
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NPP Award for 2020
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Template:Book of Malachi
Hi--I changed your edit here. I don't see much benefit in having a separate wikilink for "Bible"--it strikes me as WP:OVERLINKing. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 14:44, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the edit. JohnThorne (talk) 02:05, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for September 2
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 * Fixed. JohnThorne (talk) 02:11, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Board of Trustees election
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October 2022 New Pages Patrol backlog drive
(t &#183; c)  buidhe  21:16, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022
Hello , Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to ), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also. Software news: and  have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved. Suggestions:
 * There is much enthusiasm over the low backlog, but remember that the "quality and depth of patrolling are more important than speed".
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Backlog: Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!


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Feedback on article
Thanks so much for the assessment on Guns into Plowshares. If/when you have a minute, could you give me a sense of what’s keeping that article from B class? It’s my first article, so I’m just trying to get a better sense of what more experienced editors are looking for. Gratefully, Brian (talk) 01:56, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * very appreciate the efforts to make a good article. Need images and expansion on the significance of the objects. Peace. JohnThorne (talk) 02:10, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Got it, thanks! Brian (talk) 09:26, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Why did you add copyvio at Patterns of Evidence?
It's not as though you're a new editor. Doug Weller talk 11:02, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Doug Weller talk 09:03, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

October 2022
 You have been blocked indefinitely from editing certain namespaces ((Article) and Draft) for copyright violations. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 20:20, 27 October 2022 (UTC) Please see the associated ANI thread. If you want to be unblocked, you need to commit to not copy from sources and demonstrate a better understanding of copyright. User:Moneytrees/Copyright blocks contains some advice on appealing this block. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 20:23, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Community ban
Hello. To enforce a community ban (WP:CBAN), I have blocked you indefinitely. Please see WP:UNBAN for your appeal options. Thank you. El_C 12:31, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023
Hello , The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day. won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!
 * Backlog
 * 2022 Awards

Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)

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Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.

Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as and  have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.


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Deletion discussion about List of manuscripts from Qumran Cave 2
Hello, JohnThorne, and welcome to Wikipedia. I edit here too, under the username Shushugah, and I thank you for your contributions.

I wanted to let you know, however, that I've started a discussion about whether an article that you created, List of manuscripts from Qumran Cave 2, should be deleted, as I am not sure that it is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia in its current form. Your comments are welcome at Articles for deletion/List of manuscripts from Qumran Cave 2.

You might like to note that such discussions usually run for seven days and are not votes. And, our guide about effectively contributing to such discussions is worth a read. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top.

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~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:24, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Your access to AWB may be temporarily removed
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Category:Continental Singers has been nominated for deletion
Category:Continental Singers has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 03:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC)