User talk:John Carter/Archive Apr 2007

Wikiproject Saints

 * John, you ask a good question at Wikiproject Saints. You can find a list of the Catholic Encyclopedia topics here, but note this warning on the page: "commentaries and perspectives of some articles may not be appropriate for inclusion in Wikipedia ...While the text is public domain PLEASE do not simply dump text from the CE into Wikipedia without modification."  There are some POV problems, some style problems, and some factual problems (it is 100 years old) with the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia.  If you add text -- put it in your own words.


 * As for a rating system of the CE articles -- there is not one that I know of. We have over 1000 unrated saints articles on wikipedia, and I would imagine any rating project for CE articles would have the same result.


 * I don't know if that answered your question or not. Feel free to ask on my talk page if you have further questions.  -- Pastordavid 16:29, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Catholic Encyclopedia
Please do not copy and paste entries directly from the Catholic Encyclopedia. Much of the material has POV and style issues, and there are also occassional factual errors. Please copy edit the material and put it into your own words. Thank you. -- Pastordavid 18:57, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Maximus the Confessor
Since you have been looking over so many saints pages and doing assessment, I wonder if you would look again at Maximus the Confessor and offer some comments on the article's peer review. I would appreciate it, this has been an article that I have done some extensive work on. Thanks. -- Pastordavid 02:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your input, it was very helpful. -- Pastordavid 23:50, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Talk page template
John, could you add the "importance" signifier back onto the talk page template? I would really appreciate it. By the way, I like the link for assessment comments on the template. -- Pastordavid 20:08, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * What was the goal? Was it adding the "comments" link, or more than that?  -- Pastordavid 20:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

POTY 2006 voting
Thnk you for adding a diff to your vote. But I suggest you do it the way it is explained in the instructions. Otherwise the vote might not be considered in the final count. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alvesgaspar (talk • contribs) 21:37, 10 February 2007 (UTC).

Asyut
Why did you add the saints project box to this? I can't see any relevance to the project in the article. --Spondoolicks 11:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh. I didn't see that bit way down at the bottom. I guess it kind of fits in the project then, until an article for Our Lady of Asyut is started. --Spondoolicks 11:41, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

John the Apostle deletions
Thanks for the notice. While I agree with you that removing contentious information from the article to somewhere else might make for a more peaceful existence for us all, I think it would be a disservice to our readers and a capitulation to authoritarian and repressive elements, a very dangerous thing. Haiduc 16:13, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Christian Saints
I have proposed a cat that you created for deletion here. I believe that this category is redundent. We should keep common saints in the "Saints" and "Saints by Country" categories, and move any saints that are only unique to a specific denomination out of those categories and into the corresponding "Saints by denomination" category. This way, the default is that a "Saint" is someone holy and recognized by all denominations that recognize saints, and that the "by denomination" category is for the ones that are unique. I do not believe we need a long list of all the saints that are common. It seems redundent and extraneous.-Andrew c 17:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

John Donne
Thank you for your recent contribution to the John Donne article. It's definitely information that belongs in the article, but it needs a citation. Could you please provide one? Thank you. Galanskov 22:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the citation. Best of wishes. Galanskov 04:10, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletions
Renewers of society‎ and Category:Renewers of society have been proposed for deletion. --Ezeu 23:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

"Saint Ruth"?
Ruth is an Old Testament "hero", but by what criterion is she a saint in the ordinary usual sense of the word? How often do people refer to "St. Ruth"? AnonMoos 00:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't really care about the banner on the talk page; I was more worried about what the criteria are for being included in Category:Old_Testament_saints . Is there some external standard or list which is referred to in order to determine who is and is not included? AnonMoos 16:57, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Martin Luther
John, I am sorry you ran into trouble with the editors at the Martin Luther Page. On behalf of Lutherans, my apologies. I have found many of the central articles about Lutheranism have trolls living on the pages. I re-added the banner, we'll see if it stays this time. If not... then I guess we just leave it off. -- Pastordavid 12:48, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your note on my talk page and for the correspondence on the ML talk page. I don't believe I removed the banner, but asked a question. I see what you're getting at now and will think more about it later. Thanks again, --Keesiewonder talk 23:30, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Lutheran Calendar of Saints
John

I was over looking at the new “Renewers of Society” page (and I agree with you that it is overkill and whomever is sponsoring it isn’t even catching all the names from the calendar), and I read your comment on the discussion board about adding more churches calendars to the main calendar. While I am, in part, favorable to such an idea, I would have to make the following observations

1. If you mean adding the calendars of other North American Lutherans groups, we already have the majority of NA Lutherans in the ELCA and LCMS calendars (WELS’s rather empty calendar consists mainly of the major festivals that are common to all three groups, from what I can tell). Now, I know that there are more than twenty different Lutheran churches in North America alone, but by and large, I have found that they are either A) groups who wish to de-emphasize the catholic nature of Lutheranism (i.e., make it more reformed) and as such have very limited calendars or B) groups who wish to overemphasize the medieval catholic nature of Lutheranism (i.e., marry Luther to Trent) and as such have calendars which are very similar to the Traditional Catholic Calendar. But, more importantly, including every one of these “micro-synods” would over burden the article, making it far too cumbersome to use. As far as I’m concerned having the ELCA and the LCMS on one calendar is overdoing it enough, but it is, at least, doable.

2. If you mean adding the calendars of other Lutheran Churches worldwide, this would be good, but I would think that a better idea might be to have them as separate articles in the national language (i.e., for the Church of Sweden, have the Church of Sweden’s calendar in Swedish) with a relevant language link back to the English calendar. The other option would be to create separate calendars, much as has been done with the Anglican calendars of saints, despite the fact that they are all very similar.

I don’t want to discourage you from engaging in any work. Since I’m the one who created the article, I feel a certain level of responsibility for ensuring its overall well being, hence my “heading you off at the pass,” so to speak. As I said, I’m all for more information, but I think any additional calendars should be rendered as separate articles rather than incorporated into the current text. Just something to think about as you work forward.

jackturner3 16:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

POTY 2006
Your vote was not considered because a correct diff link was not provided. Pleas re-read the instructions and try again - Alvesgaspar 17:30, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Caroline Chisholm
Hi - can you please cite a reference for your inclusion of Caroline Chisholm as a saint. http://www.lambethconference.org/resolutions/1958/1958-79.cfm doesn't help much and really commemoration of people is not the same as declaring them a saint.--Golden Wattle talk 21:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a way out is to use more words - ie Saints and Heroes of the Christian Church in the Anglican Communion as per the resolution title. Thus Category:Anglican saints would be renamed Category:Saints and Heroes of the Christian Church in the Anglican Communion or some variation thereof. and the article Saints in Anglicanism needs quite a lot of work to improve accuracy.--Golden Wattle  talk 22:11, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I have proposed a rename at Talk:Calendar of saints (Church of England) for the calendar at least - that might give greater clarity to those like me who are confused. Regards --Golden Wattle  talk 23:11, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Assessments
Thank for taking the time to assess articles and add a "Recognized content" section to WikiProject Abortion! -Severa (!!!) 15:17, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, John Horden, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions!  Nish kid 64  18:41, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

History of Turkey
Hi Warlordjohncarter. Are you a member of the wikiproject "History of Turkey"? Miskin 19:43, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I was just puzzled by seeing the wikiproject "History of Turkey" template in the article Talk:Byzantine Empire, an anachronistic assessment. The article already has the template of history of Greece. No probs, I was just wondering whether it should be kept or not. I don't think anyone of the wikiproject Turkey has an interest on that article. Miskin 19:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

The banner is already included in the article Constantinople due to the fact that the Ottoman Empire kept the city's original name, and "Turkey" was an unofficial name for the Ottoman Empire. But I don't think that the banner has a place in the Byzantine Empire, if for no good reason because the term "Turkey" was unknown to post-late-Ottoman times. Similarly, the banner of history of Greece, Serbia, Armenia etc are not found in Ottoman Empire. It's just that none of those peoples see those articles as part of their history or cultural heritage. Miskin 20:05, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Adoption
Hey there, Warlordjohncarter! I'm an experienced user here at Wikipedia, and I'd be happy to adopt you, if you'd like. Just leave me a message on my talk page and I'll help you out with whatever I can. The Jade Knight 07:04, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll do my best to help you out! Feel free to ask me any questions you have at all—regarding editing Wikipedia, or religion/religious history (or other fields) in general, if you like.  Or feel free to stop by if you just want to chat.  The Jade Knight 19:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks
Thanks for the Barnstar. I have enjoyed working with you on WP Saints. Noticing on your USer Page talk about moving on to other projects, I hope you will continue to at least stay involved and pitch in from time to time with the project. Your help has been invaluable. -- Pastordavid 22:18, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Book of Ezekiel
Sorting through the "Saints articles that need infoboxes" category yesterday I noticed that there was a lone Biblical book which declared the need for an infobox, Book of Ezekiel. I thought it was strange that a Biblical book would even be included in WP Saints, so I deleted the infobox and left a comment explaining why on the discussion page (one reason was that no other Biblical books have such a WP designation). Pastordavid brought up on my talk page that he believed that you were the one that added it in the first place, and could probably provide a rationale for why you did so. Essentially, I'm just giving you a heads up, and would appreciate any input on Book of Ezekiel's discussion. Thank you! Alekjds talk 22:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Missings topics
Referring to your comment in my talk page: I have linked many of my missing topics pages to relevant Wikiprojects (if I could find one) but my resources to help all of them are limited. I have merged some of the information to other missing topics lists (like the one about law enforcement). Apparently there is no list of missing mythology topics, for example - Skysmith 14:49, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Hildegard von Bingen
Hello. I'm currently anticipating a feud with Makemi over the placement of a Saints Wikiproject infobox on Hildegard of Bingen. Given that you are a constant contributor to the Saints WP, and that you tagged the article as needing an infobox, I thought I should warn you that if she does not see the reasoning of the argument I laid forth on her talk page, I'll be bringing it to the discussion page for the article, and may need some backup. Along with the observations I made on her talk page, I also noted that almost all of her edits to the article in question are reverts. This is probably worth noting. Thanks! Alekjds talk 18:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, if you don't want to, you don't need to. Pastor David just performed a revert, so if anything goes down, I'm sure he'll gladly take part. Alekjds talk 03:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * As a compromise, I added the generic biography infobox, with a note on the talk page. I'll leave a note for Alex as well.  -- Pastordavid 21:26, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

thank you for checking in with me
It's odd that the discussion previous to this is about Hildegard von Bingen as someone just gave me a CD of her music. Which I have not yet listened to, and might profit by doing. Anyway I am an anarchist by leaning and am finding that some of the bureaucratic tendencies of wikipedia are overwhelming me. Suddenly it seems as if I need to spend more time watching articles or categories to be deleted than it is to write content or be on vandal patrol. I've been advised to "not take it personally" but it feels as if I just got off a train in Dachau or some such place and was told to "not take it personally". Okay, so I am over reacting, but it's the feel better place right now. I do appreciate your kind words. Carptrash 16:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The particular deletion today was one the sneaked past me - or perhaps paraded by with flags waving and I missed it. 6 or 7 editors got to vote out something I'd taken hours to put together and that was of great use to me.  I created it as a tool for me, and anyone else interested in that little arcane corner of the universe,  to use to navigate around with and I used it quite a lot. In any case I have 1,000 pages on my WATCHLIST and for sure I do miss things.  I'm cleaning out my space here and likely will be checking in and out for the next while but am not planning on doing any real editing. After years of addiction Cold Turkey is a hard way to go and I don't feel up to it right now.  Two nights ago Walt {I forget his user name} and I spent an exciting evening creating Ulric Ellerhusen from scratch.  I am happy with leavingat the top of my game, so to speak. Carptrash 18:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well do you mind looking at the deletion, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_March_6#Category:Sculptors_who_exhibited_at_the_3rd_Sculpture_International and seeing if you think they have a valid point or not? I am not inclined to resist due process too hard, esp. if a fairly neutral editor (you in this case) thinks that what was done creates a better wikipedia. Carptrash 18:39, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Certainly (which always means opinion) one way to go would be to create a category of atists who exhibited at the Armory Show. That would be harder to dismiss out-of-hand because its significance is the stuff of legend, if not religion.  And you are a sneaky fellow, got me thinking of new, positive, future  things instead of dark, negative, past ones. hmmmmm. Carptrash 19:57, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

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"Orphaned" potential projects
I don't think there's any established procedure for what to do in such cases—it is not particularly important who "creates" the projects, per se. If there is support for an idea, anyone who is involved with it can begin setting up the project page. You may want to take a look at this if you are interested in starting things up yourself. Otherwise, if you want to see a project started but feel incapable of starting it yourself, you could contact someone else who has expressed interest, and ask them to, or simply state that any user that comes along could create it. The Jade Knight 05:26, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * This is the impression I get further from the Proposals talk page. The Jade Knight 05:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Bl. Anthony Baldinucci
I brought up an issue on which I'd like your input at the Talk page. (Also, I didn't mention it there, but is there a way to mention in the article his Italian name Antonio gracefully in the header paragraph? I'm not sure of the convention to be used, or if it even should be.) Thanks! Alekjds talk 00:51, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:MEC
I saw your proposal for project specific missing article lists on WP:COUNCIL just now. I am Coordinator for WikiProject LGBT studies and am very interested in in putting together a possible list (though I don't suppose there would be many in our area). Are you still interested in making a go of this? If so, I am more than willing to put forward WP:LGBT as a guniea pig for you and work with you on this. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 12:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if I can put together a reliable list of LGBT people. There are four here, but I can't vouch in any way for their veracity. Would these be acceptable? Perhaps you could seach the entries by certain code words as well, such "homosexual", "pederasty", "gay" etc.? That might pull out entries not to do with people (though, again, I wouldn't imagine there will be many). I shall ask on the project if anyone else knows of a reliable list. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:28, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, take as long as you want. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I just found this list - maybe you could work with that user somehow? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:04, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, I was wondering how this is going? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 13:17, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool. Anything I can help out with? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 16:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we have a bot working on that. I suspect he will be finished soon. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 16:52, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:Featured Article
Thanks for your kind words. Yes, it is an admin pre-requisite, but I don't know that I want the tools. I'd be afraid it would distract me from what I really enjoy -- adding to the encyclopedia itself. If you see anything in particular you think I could help with, please don't hesitate to drop me a line. -- Pastordavid 18:40, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Festivals
hey

You gave me a good idea the other day. I would like to ask you how can i go along and merge the Festivals project with the Holidays project?? im really interested in expanding the knowlage of festvials from around the world but its hard doing it alone. any help is much appreciated —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Maverick423 (talk • contribs) 05:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

IRC meeting
Hi John, would you be able to make an IRC meeting at 19:00 UTC (that's like GMT) on Sunday? Once you have downloaded Chatzilla, click on the channel URL (in this case #wikipedia-1.0) and you will join the meeting (Chatzilla will start up automatically). I always get an annoying "You need to be administrator to do that" message, but since I have no clue what "that" is I've always ignored it! Please let us know here if you can come. Thanks! Walkerma 19:09, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

DYK
I totally rewrote your DYK blurb. One, I completely misunderstood it (I inferred from it that there was a suddent influx of possessions after the bishop banned the invocation of Eurosia) and two, it was kind of long. Hope you don't mind. Thanks. --  howcheng  {chat} 06:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Thrash Metal
Please, go ahead and delete the "Big Four of Thrash Metal" wikiproject, I am making a new one that will not run into so much controversy. How do you delete a wikiproject and can I help? Adumbvoget 20:53, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Sidebar
John, I have a sidebar started at Template:WPSAINTS. It still needs a little work on the background and text colors - I should be able to get to that on Monday. While I'm at it, I will probably revamp the pages it goes on some. Let me know if you have any suggestions for me to incorporate. -- Pastordavid 11:37, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

WP Saints Update
Great idea on the sidebar. I have gone ahead and put it on the page, and made some other associated changes (including starting some sub-pages to spread out the content a little, and hopefully making things overall more easy to navigate). Have a look around and see what you think. -- Pastordavid 16:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

DYK
In regards to WIkiProject Filmbiography John, only one tag will be created it will be a biography tag but half of it at the bottom will state "This article in maintained by the Film Biography group. It is just the categories that will be both film and biogrpahy. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  "I've been expecting you" 15:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Further comment I left on the council page. You like my Mr Bigglesworth? I am trying to find a minime too but can't seem to locate one. I couldn't use the real Blofeld image ion my user so I had to improvise!!! What I mean is for example see Talk:Baimai. It would be a Biogrpahy template with the bottom half stating the Film Biogrpahy boundaries. I too don't like the idea of too many banners. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "I've been expecting you" 15:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

New WikiProject
I'm sure you have enough on your plate -- but if you get bored swing on by (I'll still be working on WP Saints, I just saw a real need for this one too). -- Pastordavid 03:22, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Coptic Saints
Dear Warlordjohncarter; Please do not add the category Coptic Saint to the Egyptian saints. The already-existing category Egyptian Saint is enough, particularly that the names Copt and Egyptian are virtually synonymous. Thanks! --Lanternix 19:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC) Thanks a lot for your interest in the topic and for your efforts, which I greatly appreciate. Yours; --Lanternix 18:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. From my point of view, it would be more useful to create 2 different categories. The first would be Egyptian saints and would include saints of all Christian denominations who were born and lived in Egypt, or who were born elsewhere to Egyptian parent(s). The second category would be saints recognized by the Coptic Orthodox Church. The problem with a category called Coptic saints is manyfold. First, Coptic simply means Egyptian. So for example called a saint like Saint Takla Himanot a Coptic saint is inaccurate, since he was Ethiopian, not Egyptian. The other problem is that Coptic also includes Catholics and Protestants. So for instance calling Pope Dioscorus a Coptic saint is inaccurate because, although he is considered a saint in the Coptic Orthodox Church, he is considered a heretic by the Coptic Catholic Church and the various Coptic Protestant denominations. This is why I believe a category named saints recognized by the Coptic Orthodox Church is more accurate.

some caution please
Please do not readd WikiProjects templates if they are already included in a, as you have done here. The result of your actions was that Che Guevara was removed from the core biographies category, and information was lost, and I had to spend quite some time tracking which article was missing from the list. Time I could have used for assessing other articles. Er rab ee 02:25, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it. The above was written after I spent an hour looking for a missing name, and shows the corresponding level of irritation, which has since then subsided. Er rab ee 14:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Task forces being listed
John,

Sorry I took a while to reply - it's been a very busy week! My opinion would be to list task forces if possible, I think many of them are as large as many traditional WikiProjects. It would be very useful to track these work groups, I think. However, if it looks like way too much work, then keep it simple! Thanks again, Walkerma 04:25, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Iraq
Thank you very much for creating WikiProject Iraq I'll try to do my best to improve the project although my English is not that good.I am active on the Arabic wikipedia, and I am working on the wikiproject Iraq there.Thank you --Aziz1005 20:12, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you please help fixing this problem with the Iraq template,when i rate the article it does not appear on the template .The only thing appears is the quality rating.Thank you --Aziz1005 03:00, 25 March 2007 (UTC)