User talk:John Carter/Archive Jul 2007

Cleo123 on AN vs ANI
What was your rationale for moving the User:Cleo123 discussion to WP:AN from WP:ANI? It seems like that was backwards, and that it belongs where it started.

Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert 01:30, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar
Check out my new EU Contributions Barnstar design Chaza93 17:38, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Edited by Chaza93 17:39, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Please check out this one aswell Chaza93 18:50, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * FYI, There is already Image:Barnstar Barnstar.png. You may want to check out WP:BARNSTARS and the related pages.  Pastordavid 18:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh OK well do you know of any i could make Chaza93 19:08, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I know i am a bit over the top but i made a 'medal' Chaza93 21:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

...And Speaking of Barnstars

 * Thank you. I am starting to break from my current obsessions to try to improve some of the small Lutheran articles as well. Some of them may be no big deal (OK, most of them), but they may prove of some value. John Carter 18:59, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

License tagging for Image:Johann-Andreas-Quenstedt.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:Johann-Andreas-Quenstedt.jpg. Wikipedia gets thousands of images uploaded every day, and in order to verify that the images can be legally used on Wikipedia, the source and copyright status must be indicated. Images need to have an image tag applied to the image description page indicating the copyright status of the image. This uniform and easy-to-understand method of indicating the license status allows potential re-users of the images to know what they are allowed to do with the images.

For more information on using images, see the following pages:
 * Image use policy
 * Image copyright tags

This is an automated notice by OrphanBot. If you need help on selecting a tag to use, or in adding the tag to the image description, feel free to post a message at Media copyright questions. 19:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Measurement
On the basis of the discussion at WikiProject Council, I have been BOLD and set up WikiProject Measurement. I hope you are still interested and that you will join the discussion as to how to progress from here. Best wishes, Physchim62 (talk) 11:31, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Re:WikiProject Shannara
Hi, John. I noticed that you have recently added your name to the WikiProject Shannara namelist. I am hoping that you and I can work together to improve the Shannara articles. If you're not very active in books, its okay, I just need some help. If there is anything that you might want to tell me, leave me a message at my talk page. Or, oyu can click on the re part of my signature, 'crinsonwol'. Thanks and cheers!!! Zachary crimsonwol  f  13:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC) 13:05, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Saints/Selected article/1
Hello, this is a message from an automated bot. A tag has been placed on Portal:Saints/Selected article/1, by another Wikipedia user, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. The tag claims that it should be speedily deleted because Portal:Saints/Selected article/1 fits the criteria for speedy deletion for the following reason: housekeeping To contest the tagging and request that administrators wait before possibly deleting Portal:Saints/Selected article/1, please affix the template  to the page, and put a note on its talk page. If the article has already been deleted, see the advice and instructions at WP:WMD. Please note, this bot is only informing you of the nomination for speedy deletion, it did not nominate Portal:Saints/Selected article/1 itself. Feel free to leave a message on the bot operator's talk page if you have any questions about this or any problems with this bot. --Android Mouse Bot 2 19:59, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yup. I did that. I just cleaned up the portal page a bit. I went in toi make sure that something had been placed. :-) A couple of comments. I would recommend not using that template you use to format the article as the boxes already have a template in use so we're getting double links to the archives, etc. Also, The portal articles are meant to give people a brief snapshot f an article. If they are interested they can leap to it. Thanks for all your work. --evrik (talk) 20:06, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Abraham and Onesimus of Kiev
Would it be possible to specify at least the century they lived? And the name in Cyrilic would be handy for futher references. TIA Pavel Vozenilek 20:55, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Kudos
John, I must admit that I'm impressed with your consistently growing list of improved articles. You've shown yourself to be a very productive editor, and I'd be willing to help with anything Eastern Orthodox-related.--C.Logan 22:23, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

re WP:LGBT list
Hello! About, what, four, five months ago? I asked if you would mind knocking together a list for us of missing LGBT encyclopedia articles. Well, I return from exams on the 22nd of June, and I want to get some serious work done, mainly on our LGBT lists but other things in the area as well. Could I have however far you got on that project on the 22nd please? DevAlt 00:05, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for asking first
I would strongly suggest leaving it alone for now.--Isotope23 14:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You can see my latest comment at the talkpage Talk:List of notable converts to Christianity. I've partially restored the list without Dylan until this dispute is resolved.--Isotope23 14:17, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Victor Hugo edit
Out of curiousity, I was wondering why the Saints tag was removed from the Victor Hugo talk page. Does the Saints tag apply only to Christian saints? He is a saint of the Cao Dai religion. I'm unfamiliar with the Saints tag, which is why I am verifying why it was removed. Gavroche42 20:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Your explanation sounds good to me. Thanks.  Gavroche42 20:19, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Greetings
Hi I have been annoying others about the WP Vet Med categories - and have just tried the class=NA and it goes to the unassessed rather than a form such as - Not assesable vet med arts - I think that is a problem. I am taking my example of understanding from subsidiary projects in the WP Australia area - I havent dones the code - i have simply followed on with tagging (unfortunately) - cheers and well done on the hgood work - just hope you can help SatuSuro 23:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks you and it is appreciated - I promise myself that one day in this lifetime I will actually geto to understand the inner workings of a project template - whether it happens is anotherthing :) SatuSuro 00:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Category:WikiProject Veterinary medicine articles is somehow factored into the not assessables - which sort of looks very odd - needs tweaking out so only non assess to non assess and sp cat wp vet med arts has only assessable arts in it! sigh, cheers SatuSuro 01:56, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

In the WP Indonesia, Australia, Tasmania, Western Australia and Northern Territory - class NA - that is either lists or categories are in the NA, and articles are in articles. I personally would prefer it that way if I am helping with Vet Med - but I am not fussed in the slightest if others have a problem with that. I can understand where you are coming from on your suggestion - but my sense of neatness is not to be mixing categories and articles in the same space - but my personal preference is not that of the project - maybe check with the others at the project talk page or the instigator of the project - I'll go with what is the preferred optionSatuSuro

The more I think of it I would prefer to work with separation of cats from arts - if thats ok - sorry for verbiage and thinking aloud :) SatuSuro 14:20, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Have found what I was trying to explain on the project talk page - it is the assessment process which makes some sense of the separation - I would prefer not to mix non assessable items with assessable items. I think that might have effect on the creation of the assessment thingies later on. Probably have to wait a bit to see what others (if at all) think - thanks for going to the trouble to explain - and to have patience with me- thanks SatuSuro 14:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar
Thanks for the barnstar! I've learned a lot from the mediation process, as that is the first one I mediated. Hopefully, I'll do better with my next mediation case, whichever (or whenever) that is. Sr13 20:24, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Saint Mabena
Saint Mabena article. I have added a photo and an info box, hopefully the right one? Teapotgeorge 10:41, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

List-Class
Hi, I saw that you have tagged List of notable converts to Sikhism as list-class. Do you know how to make the bot to ignore list-class articles as unassessed articles because the bot doesn't support the list-class? OhanaUnited   Talk page   18:12, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Was the template there prior to you adding a class? Or completely empty and you added the template and class yourself?  OhanaUnited    Talk page   18:20, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks.  OhanaUnited    Talk page   18:34, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Aviation/Assessment/Biman Bangladesh Airlines
No comments yet on WikiProject Aviation/Assessment/Biman Bangladesh Airlines. Care to take a look? Cheers. Aditya Kabir 14:25, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you...
...for welcoming me to the List of notable converts to Christianity discussion. It's enough for me to keep my own head cool, let alone watching out for other people. My advice would be to focus on the debate about the article, rather than on the people involved in the debate. The latter too often leads to endless and pointless sniping. This discussion seems to have turned into a bit of a monster--I went to sleep and woke up and found about 20 new edits! Peace. Nick Graves 15:27, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

A favor
Hi, could you do me a favor and look at Anna Wintour's A-class review?. Right now I'm the only one who commented (in support), and I would like to have a second opinion before I grant A-class status. Thanks! Er rab ee 12:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Errabee directed me to look at your comments ... thanks! Most of them I will implement ... if you think it needs less links, OK (I usually find that anons tend to add those anyway, though, even if you get rid of them per WP:CONTEXT.). A lot of what you pointed are things I did just to have everything I thought the article could have â I'd rather cut stuff in response to comments than have to add it. Daniel Case 16:47, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Providence, Rhode Island
Hi, I noticed your name in wikiproject Rhode Island. I thought I'd let you know that Providence, Rhode Island is up for FA candidacy. FA discussion is here. I'd appreciate any comments and/or assistance you could offer. Thanks.--Loodog 00:21, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I've responded to your suggestions on the FAC page. Please take a look when you have a chance.--Loodog 23:54, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Cold War
Not sure what you did with the wikiproject...did you just move its location? You said that the project got started, but it looks like it's been around a while. Glad to see you posted it to the board, though. Hires an editor 18:15, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Karmichael Hunt
Could your peer review/A-Class review this article. It would be much appreciated.


 * Article || Karmichael Hunt
 * Peer review || Peer review/Karmichael Hunt
 * A-Class review || WikiProject Biography/A-class review/Karmichael Hunt
 * Peer review || Peer review/Karmichael Hunt
 * A-Class review || WikiProject Biography/A-class review/Karmichael Hunt
 * A-Class review || WikiProject Biography/A-class review/Karmichael Hunt

Thanks. SpecialWindler 04:01, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Was the pic the only problem with A-Class?SpecialWindler 22:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but it seems that you're the only A-Class reviewer in recent posts to the A-Class review SpecialWindler 22:25, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * OK. I may remove that template, I may not. SpecialWindler 22:31, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * An new image has been added and should be right now for A-class review Special Windler  talk 05:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Could you re-check this article, as a free image has been added and the non-free image removed, perhaps putting your support? Special Windler  talk 21:34, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The page was proofread by User:Miriam joy and I feel is ready for another check for A-Class review. Special  Windler  09:28, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Medcab closure.
It seems that Moralis has closed the mediation, deciding in favor for the inclusion of former converts. This is good, as it reassures my sanity, but I'm afraid the discussion may not slow much. You know how it is.

Anyway, shortly before this occurred, I began working on a section which I think will produce positive results- it's essentially a section in which one must agree to avoid all the little actions that make the current discussion so dreadful, or else such posts will be removed. It is vaguely similar to your suggestion, but I believe this may actually work well because it only pertains to posts within the section. Essentially, the concept is that we will discuss, like robots, the pros and cons of inclusion.

As I've said a few times now, I've always felt that the gas in the fire here are the accusations thrown about, the misinterpretation of policies, and the general antagonistic tone that reeks of presuppositions. No one's pointing towards compromise because no one's willing to believe that everyone has good intentions. Hopefully, this paranoia will cease soon, and I'm hoping a section like this might push towards a less antagonistic atmosphere.--C.Logan 07:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject James Bond
Special Windler  04:04, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Assistance on WikiProject
Hi, Warlordjohncarder. You responded to my request for guidance on choosing a parent WikiProject and suggested that I place an inquiry on the WikiProject:Medicine page, so I'm hoping that you will be willing to guide me further.

I did get a response to my request, which follows:


 * First, you can create a new project if your proposal is approved by the Wikiproject Council. If you're interested in my opinion, I think that we shouldn't create new projects, as even this (actually the "mother") project lacks of editors. If you would like to improve selected articles, nominate them at the medical collaboration of the month. NCurse work 13:35, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to interpret this.

Our group of collaborators is primarily looking for a tool we can use to organize ourselves, preferably a tool and location where someone has already blazed a trail that we can follow.

Do you have any suggestions for how we might proceed?

Thanks much, Rosmoran 14:34, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi,

That makes perfect sense to me. Thanks so much for your response. Best, Rosmoran 17:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Cold War
Hey there. If you would like, I can run my bot through Category:Cold War and tag the talk pages of articles with WikiProject Cold War history. If you need me to, leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks!  ~  Wi ki  her mit   22:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Cheers
Cheers, that would be appreciated  ¢нαzα93   17:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Dinosaurs and Saints
Hi John!

Thanks for your message on my talk page, and the ideas. I didn't know about Community Portal advertizing, and will look into it. Basically, I'm afraid that if as few as three dedicated WP:DINO editors leave the project, we won't have a project, because it will be impossible to maintain with only three people left. The articles get a lot of schoolkid vandalism, and it takes a lot of time to research an article on a particular genus. WP:DABS gives an idea of the number of articles we have to maintain.

Your "temp group" idea is a good one, and we have good relations with the bird people, but I'm not sure they would want to bear the extra load of so many additional articles. The shortest articles could be improved by almost anyone, but vandalism is sometimes subtle, and someone not familiar with the subject may not know if something is vandalism.

Anyway, thanks for your ideas, John. If you'd like to help, please feel free to expand any of the short articles, drop by the collaboration page to vote for improvements, or draw some dinosaur images and submit them for inclusion. Best wishes and happy editing, Firsfron of Ronchester  20:24, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi John,
 * Thanks for your offer to set up an assessment page for us. I'm not sure our project is large enough to support an assessment page (because there are only really six of us that are active, and we barely have enough time to work on the articles and revert vandalism, let alone start assessing hundreds of articles), but I'll ask on the talk page of WikiProject Dinosaurs. There is a discussion about changing our banners in place on WT:TOL, but I do not know all their plans there. Firsfron of Ronchester  02:28, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, John, I asked about an assessment here. Feel free to weigh in there; we'll see what everyone thinks. Firsfron of Ronchester  12:53, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

My goodness
Cleo seems to think you and I are sock puppets and has resorted to another religious attack! Relevant info here and other sundry places on the talk page. Drumpler 08:59, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Selfworm/Userboxes/NotCatholic_%282nd_nomination%29
As you are an editor involved with the the previous discussion, I am notifying you that I have relisted it for mfd. Thank you. --Flamgirlant 12:06, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Calendar of Saints
John, sorry I sort of dropped off the face of the earth for a couple of weeks - its just been a busy time, and my energy was needed in the real world. I tried my hand at designing a nav box for the various "calendar of saints" articles. I would greatly appreciate any feedback you might have on it. If it looks good to you, I will drop it into the template namespace and add it to the relevant articles. Pastordavid 18:01, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

William March
Hi, I've added my review of William March. You stated you wanted to see other reviews before commenting further, so I thought I'd drop you a note. I'm sorry for my relative absence as of late, but both my personal and professional life have undergone serious change which consumes lots of my time. Er rab ee 23:07, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Jurassic Park
Hello, this is a message from an automated bot. A tag has been placed on Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Jurassic Park, by another Wikipedia user, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. The tag claims that it should be speedily deleted because Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Jurassic Park fits the criteria for speedy deletion for the following reason: speedy close To contest the tagging and request that administrators wait before possibly deleting Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Jurassic Park, please affix the template  to the page, and put a note on its talk page. If the article has already been deleted, see the advice and instructions at WP:WMD. Please note, this bot is only informing you of the nomination for speedy deletion, it did not nominate Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Jurassic Park itself. Feel free to leave a message on the bot operator's talk page if you have any questions about this or any problems with this bot. --Android Mouse Bot 2 02:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

King Arthur project collaboration
The King Arthur Project has begun a collaboration to bring its main article, King Arthur, to WP:FA status. If you wish to contribute, please review the to-do list on its talk page. Let's make this article an FA! Wrad 03:24, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

1.0 team
Hi John, I hope you're doing well. You seem to be making a lot of progress with your assessment work, thanks a lot for your hard work!

I'm going away for a few days (to do two wikitalks, but the break with my family is welcome too!), I will be back on Thursday 28th. I don't expect to have good internet access. Can you keep an eye on things over at WP:1.0 while I'm away & deal with general questions? I'll also ask User:Ozgod, who is involved with WP:V0.7. Please let me know. All the best, Walkerma 04:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

...
Have you noticed this?

I honestly believe that this individual has some form of a victim complex. I'm unsure how an individual can persist in viewing the world with such skewed vision without such an explanation.

A personal viewpoint of a conversation can only go so far, but this seems to be a serious perception issue. Maybe a rest will help.--C.Logan 09:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Dinosaur article assessment
Hey John!

So, after discussion, it seems WikiProject Dinosaurs is tentatively supportive of an article assessment. There are reservations about the assessment system causing arguments because of differences in opinion about where an article lies in terms of quality, and that the importance scale won't be applicable for many articles. But it looks like something like this could well prove useful. So, if you are still interested in helping us with an article assessment system, how do we get started? We have been using WP:DABS as a rough guideline for our articles, to judge which ones might be ready for GAC or FAC. Firsfron of Ronchester 14:37, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

ArbCom
I have submitted a report on User:Bus stop on the ArbCom page here. As an individual who was involved in this debate, your participation would be appreciated. Thanks. Drumpler 17:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi John Carter. I've posted to the Community Sanction Noticeboard here concerning Bus stop. Your comments would be most welcome, as well as help finding diffs to back up what I say there. There are so many to sift through that it is a daunting task to find them all. Thank you. Nick Graves 03:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

RE:Question
Actually, this is the first time I've filed such a report.

If you want to, I'd mention it in a statement. You are free to do so, just like I did. Just follow the form and mention that. You're probably much more qualified to bring that up than I am. Drumpler 17:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * If this case is rejected, what should occur? It seems that we have exhausted all means of mediation, so what are the "simpler and faster ways to deal with this problem" that the Arbitrator seems to speak of? As far as I see it, the only other option would be an outright block of the DE, but should it really come to that? Is this what the arbitrator is speaking of? I'm confused, and I'm late for work.--C.Logan 20:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

re: the melodramatic user
Since such RFCs etc are intended to be filed for purposes of prevention and the user gives a semblance (wouldn't be surprised if it's the old ploy) that he has already left anyway and won't be disrupting further, I'll hold off on submitting it. Rest assured I'm retaining all the info still and if he reappears it'll be just another example to add to the RFC of the pattern of his connivance and attempting to game the system. Cheers. Tendancer 17:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't put too much stock into some users' claim of being "good" at dialogue judging from the level of histrionics. It seems almost as if he was on wiki to try to sound important and scare others with accusations of impropriety and be on a power trip, so I suspect such claims to be likely inflated--after all as one mediator pointed out he often bends truth and twists other's words.  Even the WP:DE-breaking editor has a much bigger vocabulary and is a better writer grammatically (dire need to read a Manual of Style, esp. Strunk & White, to cut down on the verbosity aside).  Having dealt with both of them (unfortunatley) I think it's obvious they are not the same person.  I'm sure there're fantasy worlds out there, where a Christian conspiracy exists on Wikipedia, and random folks with histrionic personalities who had only written high school plays can present themselves as writters for broadway theater and TV and claim to be good at dialogue.  Cheers. Tendancer 22:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Terrorism project banners
If you ask me, I think you might be trying to disrupt Wikipedia to make a point by tagging all these articles as being part of the terrorism WikiProject. Many of them have no mention of terrorism at all, nor has any internationally recognized governing body ever once declared them to be terroristic by nature or to be involved in what is generally decreed as terrorism. I have reverted a few of your banner placements and imagine this is going to be pretty upsetting to a number of folks if you keep this up. I recommend that project make a good effort to properly evaluate what is and what isn't a terroristic entity based on sourcing from international groups, such as the UN or similar before you proceed. Thanks.--MONGO 04:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Christian martyrs
Your Lordship, I note that you have created several new stubs in Category:Christian martyrs. This category had a huge population last year, and after discussion I created a hierarchy of sub-categories by era and, in recent eras, by denomination. I've relocated several of your recent additions to the relevant sub-cats, but there are six left that don't mention dates. Please could you move them into Category:Christian martyrs of the Roman era or Category:Christian martyrs of the Medieval era (etc) as appropriate? Respectfully, etc. - Fayenatic london (talk) 19:01, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * If we can't even place the martyrs of some of your recent stub articles into a historical era, e.g. Roman or Medieval, then is there really enough information to justify keeping separate articles for them? Would you consider making a List of them instead?  - Fayenatic london (talk) 19:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Portal
I support your choices. evrik (talk) 18:36, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

José María Robles Hurtado
I found three websites you might use to expand the article.    Bewareofdog 15:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject James Bond, Collaboration of the Fortnight
 SpecialWindler   talk  00:45, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Project Anglicanism
I also got the impression we are to edit the template to change Category or Non-article class into something that showed up as non-article on the assessment statistics page.

I am fairly new. To what end would we do this? How do we do it. I don't get it? I tagged and rated quite a few articles for the project yesterday. I was under the impression this needed to be done. I hope I didn't mess anything up. --SECisek 22:05, 30 June 2007 (UTC)