User talk:John Carter/Archives/2012/April

Request for Rollback
Dear Mr. John Carter (if that's your real name),

I wish to apply for a rollback. As simple as that. I hope that you can help me with that.

Thank you.

Bonkers The Clown (talk) 04:29, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Tabor
I've said, and Tabor has asked, that the argument between editors should stay off his talk page - please? Also, would you please recall my advice about taking the high road, don't get emotionally involved which is really, really hard not to do. Dougweller (talk) 05:27, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You're right about Tabor. Unfortunately, when with Iggy so far as I can tell reality itself takes a secondary place to whether or not his views and those of the EJC, which apparently more or less reflect Tabor, have to be reflected as the majority view, and this conduct has been ongoing for years now, there comes a time when, basically, one has difficulty not wondering why one still has to butt heads against a wall which shows no interest in, basically, abiding by policy and guidelines. But, again, yeah, you're right. John Carter (talk) 01:16, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Palestinian people
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A barnstar for you!
What does EJC stand for? In ictu oculi (talk) 01:39, 30 March 2012 (UTC) The EJC is the Ebionite Jewish Community. Articles for deletion/Ebionite Jewish Community (3rd nomination) contains some particularly interesting statements, some of which seem to indicate that policies not be adhered to regarding this group. John Carter (talk) 01:35, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. btw - you should see the French article on Nazarenes if you think en.wp is bad. Entirely based (badly) on the work of Mimouni who sees a mystery lost continuing Nazarene community a la usual having escaped all mention until Epiphanius. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:13, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll take your word for that, as I don't read French. The downside here is that, so far as I can tell, much of this is based on, rather directly, either Eisenman and Tabor, and their references, or this non-notable group. But, in general, these articles are one of the reasons I'm trying to get the reference list together at User:John Carter/Religion reference. That would make it a bit easier for even non-knowledgeable editors to help determine neutrality, if we make lists of articles with citations for the major reference works included in a project or group-based list of articles. John Carter (talk) 01:17, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

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Africa and elsewhere
Sounds excellent. Did you see my remark about wanting to get 100,000 African articles tagged?♦ Dr. Blofeld  08:58, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

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Early dedication...
The show got started without me! LOL! Have a userbox!

--Amadscientist (talk) 10:56, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

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Will need your input
...for the WP:99% guidelines.--Amadscientist (talk) 22:46, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Slrubenstein
Hi John, I noticed your input at SV's talk page - have you seen this article - Steven Rubenstein? Perhaps you can work on it some more. Happy Easter btw...Modernist (talk) 14:17, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Good idea. That would seem to be the most reasonable article to improve in his memory. Finding sources might be a problem, but let me see what I can do. John Carter (talk) 14:55, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Three-dimensional chess
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Project invitation

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 * Hello,, and thank you for your contribution to articles related to Wikipedia Projects! I'd like to invite you to become a member of the WikiProject OWS, a WikiProject aiming to improve coverage of the Occupy movement and related articles on Wikipedia.

If you would like to help out and participate, please visit the project page for more information. Thanks! --Amadscientist (talk) 10:34, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Mount Everest
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WP:AE
Hello John. In this AE, Homunculus cited your comment about some work he did on the Tuidang movement article: "I’ll note that after I made these changes to the Tuidang movement, an admin familiar with the literature praised these efforts". I also see you made at least one edit in the last few months at Falun Gong. This suggests you might have some knowledge of the editing climate on this article, which some people say has been tense recently. Might I appeal to you to look at this AE complaint and offer whatever suggestions you may have? (At first sight the complaint appears thin). Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 18:47, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Tirumala Venkateswara Temple
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Please comment on Talk:Balochistan conflict
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Portal:Athletics
A request has been made for this portal to be portal peer review. Contributions and suggestions are welcome. --Kasper2006 (talk) 15:22, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

MOS
If this is going ahead, the talk pages of at least the major related projects should have an invitation to contribute to it. Start with the major ones and work though, including some of the ones involved in your post on my talk page. Dougweller (talk) 17:15, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

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Top priority
Hi, I see you have been re-assessing some articles for WikiProject Christianity, and assigning Top priority/importance to quite a few of them. I am not so sure that I would agree. For example, Pope Leo XIII was changed from Mid to Top. This is quite a jump and I would be curious about your rationale for it. Elizium23 (talk) 00:22, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

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Servetus
I just wanted to thank you for the "Top importance" on those two aspects of  the Servetus article, I will also  change the  science & academia one.I wonder if I should add medicine,and  humanism with the same evaluation, his importance in those fields is also massive. What do you think? I use to edit but not to rate articles so I need advice.( I do not know if I need somekind of approval by the wikiproyect  group of editors, or if I just can write what I think it is correct and they check it later. Thanks--Anatoly Ilych Belousov (talk) 14:11, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Easter
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Category:Works of Pope Leo XIII
Category:Works of Pope Leo XIII, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Pichpich (talk) 22:16, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Re:Category:Top-importance Christianity articles
John Carter!

Hey :-P

Which authors in the category are Bible scholars?

Also, have you checked out the Hastings' Encyclopedia of Religion?

Oct13 (talk) 00:31, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Top-important
What is a top-important? Oct13 (talk) 01:28, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

That make sense! I've checked through a bunch of bible scholars, but only some (the ones on The Bible and history infobox) have relevant articles (i.e., their books have their own articles). I wish there were more. Oct13 (talk) 01:37, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Well John
Your note on my page did prompt me to pull my finger out and get a dead article up to start page snuff (see docetism). Thanks for the jolt, but it was a poor way to spend a holiday afternoon! Nishidani (talk) 17:07, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Self publishers
Hi, FYI, at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Wikipedia_reliability a drive to slow down self-published book references is getting starting. Would you like to join that project? Membership is free. History2007 (talk) 21:14, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

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African American
While your patience is admirable, your warnings are falling on deaf ears. The issue of Leaf's charges of racism has been discussed to death. A formal notice was given by an administrator here but little has changed. Since you're an administrator, perhaps it is time, IMHO, for you to take the next step -- Leaf has already been blocked once for edit warring on this subject. All he has done since is to continue the edit warring on the discussion page (see Tendentious editing) while repeating his charges of racism. Tom (North Shoreman) (talk) 16:36, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

POV and not understanding the article
Just because you agree with the POV does not make it any less POV. Just because you also misunderstand the point of the article does not make it any less a misunderstanding. This article should NOT give right off the bat the impression that this is about the Roman Catholic "trinity" doctrine view of "God the Father", but should be MUCH BROADER. In other words, as it was before. Meaning, the changes were too radical and agenda-pushing (it's obvious from PiCo's history that he's hyper-trinitarian...), and has some biases towards that (a 5 year old can see). In other words, also there was NO REAL NEED to so radically change the lede. Not saying that a modification or little addition (expressing also the Trinitarian view of it) could not have been done. But this was going wayyyy too far. And I think HIstory2007 (whether he wants to admit or not here) kind of agrees with that. There was nothing wrong with the lede before (though always open to improvement or tweaking). And to make it like this article is basically about Christendom's "Trinity" first and fore-most, instead of as ALSO, seems a bit too far. The concept of God the Father is not just as a title (a Biblical title) but as an overall CONCEPT, of God AS "Father"...which PiCo seems to be missing. History2007 seems though to understand that though. Regards. Hashem sfarim (talk) 18:22, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Ichthus: May 2012


From the Editor
This month marks the observation of Pentecost, one of the most important feast of the Christian liturgical year. It is our hope here that all of you, regardless of your religious affiliation (if any), find that the holiday, and its accompanying activities, an enjoyable and beneficial experience. We also hope that this "Birthday of the Church" is one which gives you the same joy as the birthday of yourself or your loved ones.

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Christianity in other wikis
As many of you might now, there are a large number of other Wikimedia Foundation projects, including WikiSource, Wiktionary, Wikibooks, WikiQuote, and others. I certainly believe that Wikibooks and Wikiquote might be among the more directly relevant sister projects. If any of you can think of any particular efforts in these other projects which you think would benefit from more input, please let us know here, so we can help spread the word around.

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Spotlight on the Outreach department
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The scope of articles with which this group deals is truly enormous, and, given the wide variety of material with which we deal, we would very much welcome the input of more individuals, particularly individuals who are particularly knowledgeable of the less well-known and less frequently monitored articles related to Christianity.

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Joses
No, I was thinking of Joses' notability more in terms of him being a New Testament character than a saint. I myself have created a few articles about minor NT people - Rhoda (Bible) and Zebedee. With both of those I could find some good references - I haven't looked for those regarding Joses. Partly, because the confusion with the name "Joseph" makes it harder to look stuff up. StAnselm (talk) 21:09, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Nation of Islam
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Southern Gospel Project
I just added myself to the member roll at Southern Gospel Project. With you, that makes two of us. I will defer to your seniority and ask you for advise on what I can do, keeping in mind I am a noob. Gtwfan52 (talk) 20:02, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 April newsletter
Round 2 of this year's WikiCup is over, and so we are down to our final 32, in what could be called our quarter-finals. The two highest scorers from each pool, as well as the next 16 highest scorers overall, have entered round 3, while 30 participants have been eliminated. Pool B's remains our top scorer with over 700 points; he continues to gain high numbers of points for his good articles on The X-Files, but also Millennium and other subjects. He has also gained points for a good topic, a featured list, multiple good article reviews and several did you knows. Pool E's was second, thanks primarily to his biology articles, with Pool H's  coming in third, with an impressive 46 did you knows, mostly on the subject of baseball. Casliber and Cwmhiraeth both scored over 600 points. Pools E and H proved our most successful, with each seeing 5 members qualify for round 3, while Pools C and D were the least, with each seeing only 3 reach round 3. However, it was Pool G which saw the lowest scoring, with a little under 400 points combined; Pool H, the highest scoring group, saw over triple that score.

65 points was the lowest qualifying score for round 3; significantly higher than the 11 required to enter round 2, and also higher than the 41 required to reach round 3 last year. However, in 2010, 100 points were needed to secure a place in round 3. 16 will progress to round 4. In round 3, 150 points was the 16th highest score, though, statistically, people tend to up their game a little in later rounds. Last year, 76 points secured a place, while in 2010, a massive 250 points were needed. Guessing how many points will be required is not easy. We still have not seen any featured portals or topics this year, but, on the subject of less common content types, a small correction needs to be made to the previous newsletter: File:Wacht am Rhein map (Opaque).svg, our first featured picture, was the work of both and, the latter of whom has also gone on to score with File:Map of the Battle of Guam, 1944.svg. Bonus points also continue to roll in; this round, earned triple points for her good articles on William the Conqueror and the Middle Ages, Casliber and Cwmhiraeth both earned triple points for their work on Western Jackdaw, now a good article,  earned triple points for her work on lettuce and work by  to ready antimony for good article status earned him triple points. managed to expand Vitus Bering far enough for a did you know, which was also worth triple points. All of these highly important topics featured on 50 or more Wikipedias at the start of the year.

An article on the WikiCup in the Wikimedia Blog, "Improving Wikipedia with friendly competition", was posted at the end of April. This may be of interest to those who are signed up to this newsletter, as well as serving as another way to draw attention to our project. Also, we would again like to thank and, for continued help behind the scenes. As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk &bull; email) and The ed17 (talk &bull; email) 23:14, 30 April 2012 (UTC)