User talk:John Carter/Archives/2013/August

Please comment on Talk:Race and intelligence
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Your statements about Bart Ehrman
Hello - I thought I should perhaps let you know that I have commented on your attitude to Bart Ehrman as a reliable source | here. Regards,Smeat75 (talk) 21:23, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:17-Mile Drive
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Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics article on Jainism
The book seems to use IAST for transliteration. I usually copy-paste the characters from that (IAST) article. Rahul Jain (talk) 18:32, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

RfC @ Mythology
Thanks for your input. The situation that prompted the RfC was an editor that ONLY wants to use the word "humanity" and has edited-warred to the point of 3RR and getting blocked. ```Buster Seven   Talk  20:37, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * BTW. I see you get "Ichthus" deleivered to your talk. The only other place I have seen it is my infrequent visits to User talk:Alastair Haines to see if he has returned. Did you ever work with him here at Wikipedia? Just curious. ```Buster Seven   Talk  20:42, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I remember the name, but not much else, unfortunately. Sorry. John Carter (talk) 20:44, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Mythology RfC
Hi John. Sorry for the disturbance but due to comments received by an editor I added a clarification to the RfC at talk:Mythology:. Since you already commented there, if you care to comment on your acceptance or not of the change you can simply indicate so at the talkpage. Thank you. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις  00:22, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Bangladesh Liberation War
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Immaculate Conception of Saint Joseph
Hello John Carter. Please take a look at Immaculate Conception Of Saint Joseph. This was "prodded" by Editor2020 on July 13, 2013. I tried to edit corrections to the most egregious statements with citations to sources, but was promptly reverted by the author with no explanation. I then tried to Afd it, but apparently lack sufficient technical skill. Your views would be appreciated. Thank you. Mannanan51 (talk) 16:08, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

The new face of DRN:
Recently the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard underwent some changes in how it operates. Part of the change involved a new list of volunteers with a bit of information about the people behind the names.

You are listed as a volunteer at DRN currently, to update your profile is simple, just click here. Thanks, Cabe  6403  (Talk•Sign) 17:17, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on File talk:Samesex marriage in USA.svg
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Me
Please remove the link to my Facebook page, I have made no link to it myself from Wikipedia (or in any other manner) and I wish no such public link to exist. The other links you've made for/about me can stay as they are wholly inaccurate. Jasonfward (talk) 21:28, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Do what you must man, I see no conflict of interest and think your accusation is laughable, but hey ho, go for it, I don't mind, but please don't post personal information about me in public. Jasonfward (talk) 22:42, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry don't see it, I've read NPOV more than once, and have just reviewed it, and I don't believe that any of my edits to the article break what is laid out in NPOV, and I certainly don't believe for one second that my edits have been the least disruptive and given that I have no intention to change or moderate my behaviour, but since you are using words such as "serious" and "disruptive" please go ahead report me, I'd far rather go through the procedure than have your insinuations hanging around.

As for Googling, and making assumptions about who I am, for sure, everyone and anyone can do that, but as I've already told you (telling you which were accurate and which were not) nobody can sure they've got anything right or wrong, should anyone need to check who I am they can contact me and I will give pretty much all the details anyone could want, but I want to be the person doing that, I want to know who knows.

So please, put up (and report me) or shut up (and stop posting about me and making insinuations I feel are wholly unfounded), the choice is yours, but do one please. Jasonfward (talk) 23:35, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * This is now your third post on this topic, which is of clearly no particular value. Please follow your own advice and shut up yourself. John Carter (talk) 23:52, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

See even you are having problems...♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  07:44, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:John Buchan, 1st Baron Tweedsmuir
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To inform you about the suggestion I have made to User Ignocrates
Just to let you know that I have suggested to User Ignocrates that we file a joint RfC/U about your total lack of understanding of WP:RS and WP:NPOV, you can see what I have said on his talk page. Smeat75 (talk) 15:21, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Conceptualization (information science)
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Notice of Neutral point of view noticeboard discussion
Hello, John Carter. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Neutral point of view/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Ignocrates (talk) 23:44, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Mythology
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very long time no speak
Hi somebody (looks like a sock actually) started the Oceania project and hardly got it beyond starting in April - to the point that there has been literally nothing done. It reminds me of when we started WP:Asia...  are you still in the help department for some tweaks of templates and things? no problems if you are not, or otherwise... cheers sats 08:37, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Oceania issues
To be honest - after watching the start of the WP:DEATH project I have forgotten everything of any substance in the coding etc - the Oceania project is bare bones stuff - and it would be good to get the various components of the project page up and running beyond the mess I have left yesterday - there was little in it after the aborted start in April... maybe i should reverse engineer things from other  and rejig my memory of all the bits and pieces that go with it - it would be good for you to see if there were any easy bits to help... thanks for your reply - sats 14:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * thanks for what you have done already sats 14:47, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * much appreciate your help - if by any chance you and I get to meetup at the London wikimania in 2014, trust a round or two of coffee/tea/ale/whatever is my shout for your help over the years... sats 00:17, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

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Please comment on Talk:Iglesia ni Cristo
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On public domain reference sources
Hi John Carter, where do you plan to have an index of the topics contained in the Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics available? From the little that I understand of this project, as I have never used wiki-source before, let alone the formatting needed to make texts ready to be included there, I assume you will be proofreading according to demand or to personal preference and will encourage us to do likewise. Well even if my assumption is a result of my silly way of thinking, maybe I am interested to give it a try and see how that vast underground mechanism (where time stands still, mysterious numbers are devoutly recorded and worried about) works. Is this (index of material/references) something that you intend to have posted in WPReligion? If so maybe I should join, although every time I have joined a project I have gone parsecs deep in perilous tangents till I become finally inactive there. Sorry for the overly verbose comment, I couldn't help it. Hoverfish Talk 17:39, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

I have downloaded volume 1 myself to get an idea of how the material is organized. If you need help with any texts or terms in Greek during proofreading or indexing I will be glad to help. About new articles, or old articles in need of sources I will be keeping a keen eye. Hoverfish Talk 15:54, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Subject–object problem
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For Your Information
Note that Jerome writes about Matthew's gospel on this wise (De viris inlustribus, ed. C.A. Bernoulli, III):

"Matthew, also called Levi, an apostle after having been a publican, was the first to compose a gospel of Christ in Judea in Hebrew letters and words for the sake of those of the circumcision who believed. But who afterwards translated it into Greek is not sufficiently certain. The Hebrew itself has been preserved until the present day in the library at Caesarea which Pamphilius the martyr so diligently collected. From the Nazoraeans who use this book in Beroia, a city of Syria, I also received the opportunity to copy it. In this it is to be noted that where the evangelist, whether on his own account or in the person of our Lord the Saviour quotes the testimonies of the old Scripture, he does not follow the authority of the translators of the Septuagint but the Hebrew. Wherefore these two (quotations?) exist: Out of Egypt have I called my son, and For he shall be called a Nazarene…"

Eusebius also wrote (hist. eccles. III. 39.16-17):

"…But concerning Matthew, he (Papias) writes as follows: 'So then Matthew wrote the words in the Hebrew-language and every one interpreted them as he was able.' [vs.17] And he (Papias) related another story of a woman accused of many sins before the Lord which is available in the Gospel according to the Hebrews (i.e. what is now written in John 8:1-11). These things we have thought it necessary to observe in addition to what has already been stated. Davidbena (talk) 07:47, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Using Primary Sources
It is not entirely against WP rules to cite "Primary Sources." As a rule of practice, one should cite only reliable "Secondary Sources." However, "Primary Sources" can still be used occasionally. According to WP:PSTS, "Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources." The wording here makes it clear that it is still permissible to use "Primary Sources" if the situation calls for it. Davidbena (talk) 11:28, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:India
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A kitten for you!
I am beginning to feel more comfortable here, although I had a "bumpy road" in the beginning. lol. I have noticed, however, that some of the editors on "Talk:Gospel of the Hebrews" are not particularly interested in abiding by certain rules, such as when a certain issue is disputed by scholars, we (the editors) ought to maintain a neutral position, WP:NPOV. Also, one editor there keeps reminding me that I should not use "Primary Sources," when there is still a provision for its use occasionally, as we find in WP:PSTS, which rule states explicitly: "Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources." The wording here makes it clear that it is still permissible to use "Primary Sources" if the situation calls for it.

Davidbena (talk) 23:42, 28 August 2013 (UTC) 

WikiCup 2013 August newsletter
This year's final is upon us. Our final eight, in order of last round's score, are:
 * , a WikiCup newcomer who has contributed on topics of military history and physics, including a number of high-importance topics. Good articles have made up the bulk of his points, but he has also scored a great deal of bonus points. He has the second highest score overall so far, with more than 3000 points accumulated.
 * , another WikiCup veteran who reached the finals in 2012, 2011 and 2010. He writes on a variety of topics including botany, mycology and astronomy, and has claimed the highest or joint highest number of featured articles every round so far this year. He has the third highest score overall, with just under 3000 points accumulated.
 * , 2012 WikiCup champion, who writes mostly on marine biology. She has also contributed to high-importance topics, seeing huge numbers of bonus points for high-importance featured and good articles. Previous rounds have seen her scoring the most bonus points, with scoring spread across did you knows, good articles and featured articles.
 * , a WikiCup veteran who finished in second place in 2012, and competed as early as 2009. He writes articles on biology, especially mycology, and has scored highly for a number of collaborations at featured article candidates.
 * , the winner of the 2010 competition. His contributions mostly concern Naval history, and he has scored a very large number of points for good articles and good article reviews in every round. He is the highest scorer overall this year, with over 3500 points in total.
 * , who is competing in the WikiCup for the second time, though this will be her first time in the final. A regular at FAC, she is mostly interested in British medieval history, and has scored very highly for some top-importance featured articles on the topic.
 * , a finalist in 2012 and 2011. He writes on a broad variety of topics, with many of this year's points coming from good articles about Star Trek. Good articles make up the bulk of his points, and he had the most good articles back in round 2; he was also the highest scorer for DYK in rounds 1 and 2.
 * 1) has previously been involved with the WikiCup, but hasn't participated for a number of years. He scores mostly from restoration work leading to featured picture credits, but has also done some article writing and reviewing.

We say goodbye to eight great participants who did not qualify for the final:, , , , , , ,. Having made it to this stage is still an excellent achievement, and you can leave with your heads held high. We hope to see you all again next year. Signups are now open for the 2014 WikiCup, which will begin on 1 January. All Wikipedians, whatever their interest or level of experience, are warmly invited to participate in next year's competition.

This last month has seen some incredible contributions; for instance, Cwmhiraeth's Starfish and Ealdgyth's Battle of Hastings—two highly important, highly viewed pages—made it to featured article status. It would be all too easy to focus solely on these stunning achievements at the expense of those participants working in lower-scoring areas, when in fact all WikiCup participants are doing excellent work. A mention of everything done is impossible, but here are a few: Last round saw the completion of several good topics (on the 1958, 1959 and 1962 Atlantic hurricane seasons) to which 12george1 had contributed. Calvin999 saw "S&M" (song), on which he has been working for several years, through to featured article status on its tenth try. Figureskatingfan continued towards her goal of a broad featured/good topic on Maya Angelou, with two featured and four good articles. ThaddeusB contributed significantly to over 20 articles which appeared on the main page's "in the news" section. Adam Cuerden continued to restore a large number of historical images, resulting in over a dozen FP credits this round alone. The WikiCup is not just about top-importance featured articles, and the work of all of these users is worthy of commendation.

Finally, the usual notices: If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to reduce the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 05:32, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Genocide of indigenous peoples
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