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AfD with no outside comment
The Project Freemasonry crew are at it again. There a request for deletion where the only voices are myself and three project Freemasonry people. Once again they're claiming that lodges no matter how old or how attested should be deleted, and they are doing so with one voice. I'm a bit concerned that an admin who's not been involved in these discussions is going to mistake the Project Freemasonry party line for concensus. How can I get some other eyes to look at this?

JASpencer (talk) 15:30, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

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RfC
Hi,

Would appreciate your comments here. Cheers --Muhammad (talk) 16:59, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

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Working out the details at Today's article for improvement
The RFC for TAFI is nearing it's conclusion, and it's time to hammer out the details over at the project's talk page. There are several details of the project that would do well with wider input and participation, such as the article nomination and selection process, the amount and type of articles displayed, the implementation on the main page and other things. I would like to invite you to comment there if you continue to be interested in TAFI's development. -- Nick Penguin ( contribs ) 02:30, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

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FYI about La Luz Del Mundo article
Hi, I'm bothered by RidjalA's edit here for reasons explained here  and here. I find not only his BLP insinuation to be crass and rude, but his blatant use of religious greetings highly insensitive and such things should have no place in Wikipedia anymore than making racist comments. If there is a process of which I can make a complaint as per wiki policy, please inform me so for I do not know. Thank you. Fordx12 (talk) 03:25, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * FYI, how I greet you and bid farewell is no different than how I'd greet any other religious person (referring to someone as brother or saying "God Bless You" in Spanish, and this is not racist nor exclusive to LLDM etiquette either, and I choose to express myself freely in a non-denominational Christian way). I'll reiterate what I said in the talk page, this is no different than Ajaxfiore respectfully appending pbuh to Prophet Muhammad. I'm acknowledging you in general Christian terms. Que Dios Te Bendiga (May God Bless You, hope you get my point that this is just another overreaction)RidjalA (talk) 06:45, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

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Gospel of the Hebrews, fork essay/theory Hebrew (Aramaic) Gospel back again
Happy new year. Not sure how I missed this earlier on watchlist, but Ignocrates/Ovadyah and Ret Prof have been discussing reasons not to merge (or delete) RetProf's recreated "Matthei Authenticum" essay and removed the merge tag. I left a talk page message at an editor I don't know who commented as follows: (cur | prev) 18:55, 15 November 2012‎ Calliopejen1 (talk | contribs)‎. . (75,767 bytes) (+34)‎. . (there is already an article on this subject. part of this page duplicates that article. i don't know if this is a WP:POVFORK or why the author didn't just edit the existing article) (undo)
 * Yes it duplicates, with a twist Gospel of the Hebrews. Because the POVfork essay/theory Hebrew (Aramaic) Gospel has already been deleted at least once and the editor keeps restoring it repeatedly under new titles.

In any case an broader Merge/AfD or something is needed In ictu oculi (talk) 05:35, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

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Nomination of Jabal Shuways for deletion
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DYK

 * St James' Church, Cardington, Peter I. Vardy, 16 December 2012
 * Bishop's Palace, Kraków, Poeticbent, 18 December 2012


 * Kippinge Church, Ipigott, Rosiestep, 21 December 2012


 * Trinitatis Church, Ipigott, Rosiestep, 25 December 2012


 * Steindamm Church, Olessi, 27 December 2012


 * St Laurence's Church, Church Stretton, Peter I. Vardy, 28 December 2012


 * Monastery of the Holy Trinity, Meteora, Peter I. Vardy, 30 December 2012


 * Sonrise Church, Aboutmovies, 08 January 2013
 * St. Peter's Episcopal Church (Albany, New York), Daniel Case, 09 January 2013


 * All Saints Church, Claverley, Peter I. Vardy, 09 January 2013

-- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds 22:24, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Church of the Holy Virgin Mary of Lourdes, Poeticbent, 15 January 2013

more Tabor
Jewish Christian Gospels "Schmidt and Edwards are supported by James Tabor and Jeffrey J. Bütz. [18]" eek! Have time to pass by? In ictu oculi (talk) 08:17, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

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Request for comment on Talk:La Luz del Mundo
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Serious question
Having seen some of your conversation with JASpencer (having gone to his talk page regarding comments made on an ArbCom case), I see a problem with you jumping on the collusion bandwagon based on JASpencer's opinion regarding "possible email coaching between Sarek and Blueboar" (with no proof). You want to claim bias on the part of a group of editors? How about your readiness to see a conspiracy amongst those editors because a third party bearing no hard evidence to support his assertion besides his own opinion, says that it is so?

Now, hopefully that will get you thinking, because I want an open-minded appraisal of the following: I want to write an article on a little rock on Mars I think is notable. However, I've never been to Mars to see it, and have no basis whatsoever to compare notability of Martian rocks; I saw this particular rock as a passing reference in noted Martian historian E. R. Burroughs' book Historical Lies I Made Up About Mars Because I Need Cash. You, John Carter, being from Mars, are able to tell me that that rock is in fact not a big deal, and is just an average rock amongst other rocks, and in fact, a lot of people don't really think it is a rock at all. You can show this, having had experience of it, and maybe you also have a different source about Martian rocks.

So, should I believe that you know what you're talking about, and maybe this rock isn't such a big deal after all, or should I believe you are biased and incorrect because I really want to write about this rock that, in essence, I don't really know anything about other than someone said it's there? Put another way, do you fall under WP:EXPERT because you know your area, or do you have a bias issue per WP:COMPETENCE simply because I think yoiu do? MSJapan (talk) 00:59, 19 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Notability does not rely on the personal experience of MSJapan. It relies on multiple significant mentions in independent reliable sources.  Once you get used to that you will stop launching and supporting so many time wasting and frivolous AFDs.
 * JASpencer (talk) 15:59, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed. MSJapan, you have a clear conflict of interests regarding this topic as per WP:POV. As such, in all honesty, you should be abiding by that guideline, specifically, not editing content related to it except under the supervision of uninvolved people. I think the clear evidence of recent history is that several individuals who have clear POV problems, such as yourself, have in fact taken over the content, and often acted in such a way as to bully individuals who might not be as biased away, often through force of numbers in false consensus. When you raised your earlier complaint against JASpencer at ANI, I suggested that the best approach would be to go to Arbitration. You seemingly chose not to. However, because I do believe that the matters raise to the level of arbitration involvement, I am suggesting that others who may have been similarly discouraged from editing through the possible collusion of Freemasons to keep the content in agreement with their own biases, whether or not they agree with policy, to raise those concerns. If individuals have done nothing which they think would cause ArbCom to act against them, they have nothing to worry about. If they do think they have done things which might lead to ArbCom sanctions, then they shouldn't have done that in the first place, and, depending on the frequency and degree of such misconduct, regardless of their own opinions about themselves, I think it is reasonable to allow uninvolved respected third parties, like ArbCom, to review the matter and see if, as I personally believe, there does exist a serious and longstanding problem with POV pushing, shouting down disagreement, and other problems regarding this content. If ArbCom thinks I have a clear bias, and have acted contrary to policy and guidelines on that basis, then I believe that I would deserve sanctions. But the comments I made were clearly about bringing the matter to ArbCom for the review of the matter by uninvolved third parties. If you wish to demonstrate how my actions have been driven by POV, then, if the matter goes to ArbCom, by all means provide the evidence to that effect, if the case is brought by you or others. However, in all honesty, I cannot see any real purpose for discussing this matter on this page any further.
 * Regarding your pathetic attempt at humor, MSJapan, I think that just about anyone in wikipedia, other than perhaps yourself, would recognize that my comments to be that fictional character are a joke. It would also be noted that, unlike you, Blueboar, and a few others, I have never attempted to place myself in a position where, despite a rather clear potential bias on my part, I attempted to determine what the relevant content here would be. In fact, a review of my recent edits, including my only recent direct contact with the topic under discussion, was to suggest that wikipedia recognize that the Eliade/Jones Encyclopedia of Religion, the first edition of which was the sole winner of the "Book of the Year" award from the American Publishers Association for that year, have the information in it be included here. I think the relevant talk page discussion will indicate the most likely bias there. Regarding possible claims of collusion, I at this point cannot be specifically aware of exactly where I made the claim you place in my mouth above. As such, I have to think that your comment above, which accuses me, so far as I can tell, of making statements about you and Blueboar which so far as I can tell from the page in question were in fact never made by me, is, well, interesting, as you make specific statements which were never expressed or implied in my own comments. "Methinks he might protest too much." John Carter (talk) 20:32, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Reply
There's a reply on my personal Talk page.PiCo (talk) 01:48, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I came across McGrath's book on his blog. I gather he's one of the younger(ish) professors who believe that professors need to get out of the ivory tower and into the agora.PiCo (talk) 02:51, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Further response on my Talk page.PiCo (talk) 03:03, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - January 2013
 Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 354 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Alliereborn, Iselilja, Peterkp, and Sosthenes12. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

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Church of the month This image of Alexander Nevsky Cathedral in Tallinn, Estonia by User:Poco a poco was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!

Contest of the month No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard, and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

By John Carter

Featured content and GA report Since the last report, the image in the "Church of the Month" section of this newsletter was promoted to Featured Image status.

Darzu ist erschienen der Sohn Gottes, BWV 40 by Gerda Arendt and others, Teuruarii IV by Lemurbaby, KAVEBEAR and others, and Peace on Earth (Casting Crowns album) by Toa Nidhiki05 and others, were all promoted to GA status.

Also this past month, the DYKs on the main page included St James' Church, Cardington by Peter I. Vardy, Bishop's Palace, Kraków by Poeticbent, Kippinge Church by Ipigott and Rosiestep, Trinitatis Church, also by Ipigott and Rosiestep, Steindamm Church by Olessi, St Laurence's Church, Church Stretton by Peter I. Vardy, Monastery of the Holy Trinity, Meteora, by Peter I. Vardy, Sonrise Church, by Aboutmovies, St. Peter's Episcopal Church (Albany, New York), by Daniel Case, All Saints Church, Claverley, by Peter I. Vardy, and Church of the Holy Virgin Mary of Lourdes, by  Poeticbent. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

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The Tower of Babel'' by Pieter Bruegel the Elder This image was created by User:Dcoetzee. Thank you, Dcoetzee!

Spotlight The Spotlight this month turns to the the Syriac Christianity work group. The scope of this project includes the various traditions of Syriac Christianity, including the Assyrian Church of the East, Ancient Church of the East, Church of the East, Syriac Orthodox Church, Chaldean Catholic Church, Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church, Melkite Greek Catholic Church, Syriac Catholic Church, Syro-Malankara Catholic Church, and Saint Thomas Christians. One of these groups, the Assyrian Church of the East, is considered by scholars to have probably been, for several hundred years, the largest Christian grouping in the planet, with its numerous members in Central Asia and Eastern Asia. Numerous texts, traditions, and practices unique to these groups exist, including the Jesus Sutras and the belief of the Assyrian Church of the East that the bread they use in the preparation of their Eucharist uses the same basic yeast as that used in the bread of the Last Supper itself. Sadly, given the linguistic barriers to much of the content relative to these groups, and the comparative lack of notoriety they have in the Western world, much of this content does receive less attenion, and thus less development, than much other content. There is a large amount of extremely valuable historical material here still waiting to be adequately developed by editors with an interest in the topic, and I personally very much hope that we can draw more attention to these topics, and the content related to them.

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Calendar This coming month (mid-January through mid-February) includes The Presentation of Christ in the Temple or Candlemas and the Conversion of Paul. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Saint Agnes, Saint Francis de Sales, Saints Timothy and Titus, Thomas Aquinas, John Bosco, Saint Agatha, Paul Miki, [{Saint Scholastica]], and Saint Anskar.

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YGM
I sent you a short email. ~Adjwilley (talk) 23:41, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

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Drink this, maybe you'll feel act better

 * Yep, I screwed up. Thanks for catching that. John Carter (talk) 21:36, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

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Freemasons
Hey John, there's a discussion related to a topic you addressed this summer at WP:RSN. Ryan Vesey 21:21, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Help please (WikiProject Religion: Siddur and mahzor)
Hi, John. I created a little list around Siddur and mazhor per the list at User:John Carter/Religion articles. Then as I was going to update the list itself, I noticed the spelling: it's really supposed to be "mahzor", not "mazhor". (I'm guessing it's not actually that way in Encyclopedia of Religion, but if it is, that's a typo.) So can you please move both the page and the talk page to "Siddur and mahzor"? Thanks. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:41, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Sex, Lies and Sanctity
The relevant portion of this book is online here if interested. This seems to be very slightly different than what is in the book and is missing page numbers. As far as Two by Twos finances, Johnson quotes another paper which referred to the financial arrangements as "a mystery." I took a photocopy of the chapter from the book when I first was looking up citations, and I should be able to scan and email any of those if you need them. &bull; Astynax talk 23:59, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

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Messianic articles
Hi, John. I just noticed that, in the first of the two articles you sent out, the author is identified as "D. C. Juster". Would you happen to know whether or not I'm correct in assuming that this is Daniel Juster, the Messianic leader whom he references at several points in the article? It's not a very common surname, so I am at the moment assuming they are the same person. I don't think it affects the reliability of the source, but I thought it was an interesting observation nonetheless. Evanh2008 (talk&#124;contribs) 06:33, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Possible split of Cartoon Network work group of WikiProject Animation
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Top Question; Article List
John, so as not to catch you unaware, I essentially invited others (here) to weigh in on the discussion we were having on my talk page.

Separately, I would be WP:BOLD about this, but it's your talk page, so: May I suggest adding the template  to the "/Religion Articles" page? It would make what is a very long TOC a little easier to use; I don't think every "extant/other/missing" subsection adds much to the navigability. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:56, 31 January 2013 (UTC)