User talk:John M Wolfson/Archive 5

WikiCup 2020 March newsletter
And so ends the first round of the competition. Everyone with a positive score moves on to Round 2, with 57 contestants qualifying. We have abolished the groups this year, so to qualify for Round 3 you will need to finish Round 2 among the top thirty-two contestants.

Our top scorers in Round 1 were:


 * Epicgenius, a WikiCup newcomer, led the field with a featured article, five good articles and an assortment of other submissions, specialising on buildings and locations in New York, for a total of 895 points.
 * Royal standard of England (1406–1603).svg Gog the Mild came next with 464 points, from a featured article, two good articles and a number of reviews, the main theme being naval warfare.
 * 🇺🇸 Raymie was in third place with 419 points, garnered from one good article and an impressive 34 DYKs on radio and TV stations in the United States.
 * Harrias came next at 414, with a featured article and three good articles, an English civil war battle specialist.
 * Pirate Flag.svg CaptainEek was in fifth place with 405 points, mostly garnered from bringing Cactus wren to featured article status.
 * The top ten contestants at the end of Round 1 all scored over 200 points; they also included 🇺🇸 L293D, 🇻🇪 Kingsif, 🇦🇶 Enwebb, 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski and 🇳🇵 CAPTAIN MEDUSA. Seven of the top ten contestants in Round 1 are new to the WikiCup.

These contestants, like all the others, now have to start scoring points again from scratch. In Round 1 there were four featured articles, one featured list and two featured pictures, as well as around two hundred DYKs and twenty-seven ITNs. Between them, contestants completed 127 good article reviews, nearly a hundred more than the 43 good articles they claimed for, thus making a substantial dent in the review backlog. Contestants also claimed for 40 featured article / featured list reviews, and most even remembered to mention their WikiCup participation in their reviews (a requirement).

Remember that any content promoted after the end of Round 1 but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Some contestants made claims before the new submissions pages were set up, and they will need to resubmit them. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews.

If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk). MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:47, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup newsletter correction
There was an error in the WikiCup 2020 March newsletter; 🇺🇸 L293D should not have been included in the list of top ten scorers in Round 1 (they led the list last year), instead, 🇺🇸 Dunkleosteus77 should have been included, having garnered 334 points from five good articles on animals, living or extinct, and various reviews. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:30, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for 110 North Wacker
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Your revert for the "Not WMF" template
Regarding your revert for Not WMF, I suppose it depends on your definition of "affiliated". I believe it typically just refers to having a close association or relationship. Affiliation does not necessarily imply common ownership or governance. —BarrelProof (talk) 22:24, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * That's fair enough; I think of "affiliation" much like radio stations in the US, which have common governance. Common governance is also what is relevant for the hatnote, so I think my version should stand unless a better word is chosen. Thanks! – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 22:27, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * In my view, an affiliation can be as simple as a mutually supportive relationship. It certainly has different meanings in different contexts. Also, I believe the word "thus" is simply unnecessary. There is no need to assert that the second aspect is a necessary consequence of the other. —BarrelProof (talk) 22:33, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I think that it's better to strengthen the relationship with the word "thus" (or another word to that effect) for readers unfamiliar with the WMF and how it's related to Wikipedia. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 22:35, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Community areas of Chicago
For a lot of them when the Auto parameter was turned on nothing was showing up for population density, so I just put them in by hand. -PorchFam — Preceding unsigned comment added by PorchFam (talk • contribs) 06:37, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for clarifying. I tinkered with it and found out that the reason was that the ref tags for population interfered with the calculation. I'll make a note to remove those and use  instead (or better yet cite it in the prose). Also, in the future please sign your talk page posts by adding   at the end of them. Thanks! – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 06:43, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Wards of New York City
Hello! Your submission of Wards of New York City at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! MrClog (talk) 11:48, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK for 1946 Cook County, Illinois elections
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Michael Kenna
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Michael Kenna you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hog Farm -- Hog Farm (talk) 02:40, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Michael Kenna
The article Michael Kenna you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Michael Kenna for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hog Farm -- Hog Farm (talk) 00:00, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Chicago Neighborhood Resource
I hope everything is going well. If you're still working on Chicago neighborhood articles, I found this resource for the South Side. https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/-/media/pdfs/adult-pdfs/community. If you want to use it, just Google the neighborhood (they are generally for the South Side) with this URL and you'll find it.

Thanks! I'll make great use of it. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 18:10, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Michael Kenna
The article Michael Kenna you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Michael Kenna for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hog Farm -- Hog Farm (talk) 03:02, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of James Thompson (surveyor)
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article James Thompson (surveyor) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hog Farm -- Hog Farm (talk) 17:01, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of James Thompson (surveyor)
The article James Thompson (surveyor) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:James Thompson (surveyor) for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hog Farm -- Hog Farm (talk) 00:41, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of James Thompson (surveyor)
The article James Thompson (surveyor) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:James Thompson (surveyor) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hog Farm -- Hog Farm (talk) 01:41, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Augustus Pierce
Hello! Your submission of Augustus Pierce at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 23:38, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, are you returning to this nomination? Yoninah (talk) 19:07, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for James M. Beggs
Thank you for your nomination! We hope you return to ITN/C to nominate additional items. Best,  Spencer T• C 03:51, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup 2020 May newsletter
The second round of the 2020 WikiCup has now finished. It was a high-scoring round and contestants needed 75 points to advance to round 3. There were some very impressive efforts in round 2, with the top ten contestants all scoring more than 500 points. A large number of the points came from the 12 featured articles and the 186 good articles achieved in total by contestants, and the 355 good article reviews they performed; the GAN backlog drive and the stay-at-home imperative during the COVID-19 pandemic may have been partially responsible for these impressive figures.

Our top scorers in round 2 were:


 * Epicgenius, with 2333 points from one featured article, forty-five good articles, fourteen DYKs and plenty of bonus points
 * Royal standard of England (1406–1603).svg Gog the Mild, with 1784 points from three featured articles, eight good articles, a substantial number of featured article and good article reviews and lots of bonus points
 * 🇧🇼 The Rambling Man, with 1262 points from two featured articles, eight good articles and a hundred good article reviews
 * Harrias, with 1141 points from two featured articles, three featured lists, ten good articles, nine DYKs and a substantial number of featured article and good article reviews
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski with 869 points, Blason Gondor.svg Hog Farm with 801, 🇻🇪 Kingsif with 719, SounderBruce with 710, 🇺🇸 Dunkleosteus77 with 608 and 🇲🇽 MX with 515.

The rules for featured article reviews have been adjusted; reviews may cover three aspects of the article, content, images and sources, and contestants may receive points for each of these three types of review. Please also remember the requirement to mention the WikiCup when undertaking an FAR for which you intend to claim points. Remember also that DYKs cannot be claimed until they have appeared on the main page. As we enter the third round, any content promoted after the end of round 2 but before the start of round 3 can be claimed now, and anything you forgot to claim in round 2 cannot! Remember too, that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them. When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article nominations, a featured process, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk) and Cwmhiraeth. - MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:44, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Washington Heights, Chicago
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Washington Heights, Chicago you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hog Farm -- Hog Farm (talk) 19:20, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Revertion error
User:Mikemyers345 reported me for reverting vandalism, that still occurs in Lactarius torminosus. 49.149.102.90 (talk) 00:38, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I have left a note on his talk page to that effect. Thanks for letting me know! – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 01:00, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Washington Heights, Chicago
The article Washington Heights, Chicago you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Washington Heights, Chicago for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hog Farm -- Hog Farm (talk) 23:00, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Washington Heights, Chicago
The article Washington Heights, Chicago you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Washington Heights, Chicago for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hog Farm -- Hog Farm (talk) 02:02, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Holden Block
DYKUpdateBot (talk) 12:01, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Wards of New York City
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion
Natural Selection (Art Department album). I'm not messing around here. There are literally seven reviews from independent publications of the album cited in the article, indicating notability, so your nomination is disruptive and fraudulent. Don't pull anything like this off ever again! HumanxAnthro (talk) 20:30, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There's nothing in the prose that indicates why this is notable, the artist lacks an article, and plenty of places can review an album, so reviews do not necessarily establish significance. In the future, please assume good faith and avoid casting aspersions. Thanks! – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 20:36, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * "plenty of places can review an album." Excuse me? I'm sorry, but professional magazines and publication like AllMusic, Clash (magazine), Now (newspaper), Resident Advisor, and Q (magazine) are not just "places." Self-written blogspot posts are just places to review albums; the sources I just mentioned aren't. It's very dishonest of you to reduce the sources I cited as that! Yes, independent, professional coverage of a record, including reviews, indicates notability.
 * "There's nothing in the prose that indicates why this is notable," What the fridge does that even mean? What sources you cite and the coverage makes it notable. Prose and notability are two separate things.
 * "the artist lacks an article." Cool.......... and this proves the topic isn't notable because??????
 * HumanxAnthro (talk) 20:42, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The article is just a list of reviews. You need to add actual text in the article (not just the reviews linked therein) to demonstrate why this is a significant piece of work. The fact that the artist doesn't have an article is relevant per the speedy deletion criterion A9, which covers works that don't claim significance by artists who don't have articles. I might have been hasty to tag the article and have removed it, but if you don't want it to be deleted by other means such as AFD you'll have to write text (in your own words!) about the article and why it's significant/notable. On a side note, I'd personally lose the attitude and act civilly. Thanks! – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 20:51, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * "I'd personally lose the attitude and act civilly." What attitude? I don't mean to act nasty on the outside, and I apologize if that's how I come off to you, but it would really help if you wouldn't make points that are disingenuous to the point of rubbing me the wrong. HumanxAnthro (talk) 21:45, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, there is prose already. HumanxAnthro (talk) 21:49, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

I was mistaken in that tag and apologize for any disruption, although for future reference please add more prose to articles before you create them (or, better yet, use a draft, either in draftspace or on a subpage of your userpage). No more action is warranted on your part in that respect, although I would appreciate more assumption of good faith rather than having my work be characterized as disruptive and fraudulent. Have a great day! :) – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 22:47, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Augustus Pierce
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Ogden Gas scandal
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Articles for Creation: List of reviewers by subject notice
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Old FAs/brilliant prose
Hi -- I saw your note at WT:FAC; I was very interested since I'm doing some FAC data analysis myself. Does this mean that this is the oldest FA/brilliant prose nomination? It has the oldest timestamp of the first three you list. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:35, 28 May 2020 (UTC)


 * In a way, yes. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 13:30, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Not WMF
Template:Not WMF has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 15:54, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

PS re Style note
FYI, I avoid MoS pages on the advice of my shrink, Dr. Pangloss. – Sca (talk) 16:50, 20 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 16:59, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

AfD follow up
- this was closed as a move but the move never happened. Could you follow up on this and move it, or list it on some page for such moves, or tag it for a move, or whatever is the correct procedure here? TIA --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:46, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I tried to move it but I couldn't due to some history in the redirect. You should go to WP:Requested moves and follow the instructions there. Thanks! – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 04:59, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup 2020 July newsletter
The third round of the 2020 WikiCup has now come to an end. The 16 users who made it into the fourth round each had at least 353 points (compared to 68 in 2019). It was a highly competitive round, and a number of contestants were eliminated who would have moved on in earlier years. Our top scorers in round 3 were:


 * Epicgenius, with one featured article, 28 good articles and 17 DYKs, amassing 1836 points
 * 🇧🇼 The Rambling Man, with 1672 points gained from four featured articles and seventeen good articles, plus reviews of a large number of FACs and GAs
 * Royal standard of England (1406–1603).svg Gog the Mild, a first time contestant, with 1540 points, a tally built largely on 4 featured articles and related bonus points.

Between them, contestants managed 14 featured articles, 9 featured lists, 3 featured pictures, 152 good articles, 136 DYK entries, 55 ITN entries, 65 featured article candidate reviews and 221 good article reviews. Additionally, 🇩🇰 MPJ-DK added 3 items to featured topics and 44 to good topics. Over the course of the competition, contestants have completed 710 good article reviews, in comparison to 387 good articles submitted for review and promoted. These large numbers are probably linked to a GAN backlog drive in April and May, and the changed patterns of editing during the COVID-19 pandemic. As we enter the fourth round, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Please also remember that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them. When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met. Please also remember that all submissions must meet core Wikipedia policies, regardless of the review process.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article nominations, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk), Cwmhiraeth (talk) MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:33, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:40, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you today for James Thompson (surveyor), "about the man who, in a way, made the "first map" of Chicago"! --

DYK nomination of Builders Building
Hello! Your submission of Builders Building at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 10:51, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

TFL notification
Hi, John. I'm just posting to let you know that Community areas in Chicago – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as Today's featured list for August 7. The TFL blurb can be seen here. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at TFL talk. Regards, Giants2008  ( Talk ) 15:30, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I just saw what you had posted on TFLS and see how that could be an issue. I am in the process of moving the appearance date to August 31, which will create some space between the list and the proposed August 31 TFA. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 01:17, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Left Bank of the Rhine
Hi John, thank you for creating the short description for this article. Unfortunately it's not a 'Bank of the River Rhine' but an historical region fought over by France and the German states that was so named because of its location on the west bank of the Rhine. I don't know what the right short description would be but 'historical territory in Europe' wouldn't be far wrong. Cheers. Bermicourt (talk) 18:26, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

James Thompson (surveyor) scheduled for TFA
This is to let you know that James Thompson (surveyor) has been scheduled as WP:TFA for 4 August 2020. Please check that the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Today's featured article/August 4, 2020. Thanks! Ealdgyth (talk) 16:08, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Builders Building
— Maile (talk) 12:01, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Re: our most recent interaction at ITNC
Hello :

Hope this note finds you well.

By way of introduction, I am, a recent contributor to the messages at WP:ITNC. Earlier today, we had an interaction, where another user highlighted that my message toward you could be construed as accusatory (link here) to you and to others on the group.

Please let me clarify that was absolutely not my intent. Please accept my humble apologies, if that was what came out of that message. I pride myself in the utmost professionalism that I bring to my interactions in the offline world, and I would want my online interactions to be no different.

Again, thanks for all that you do, and again, please treat this note about our interaction as my apologies for any unintended impact my edits and words might have had on you.

Regards,

Ktin (talk) 21:04, 6 August 2020 (UTC)


 * No worries, I wasn't really paying attention to the whole after the first statements. Have a good day! – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 04:46, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup 2020 September newsletter
The fourth round of the competition has finished, with 865 points being required to qualify for the final round, nearly twice as many points as last year. It was a hotly competitive round with two contestants with 598 and 605 points being eliminated, and all but two of the contestants who reached the final round having achieved an FA during the round. The highest scorers were


 * Free Hong Kong flag.svg Bloom6132, with 1478 points gained mainly from 5 featured lists, 12 DYKs and 63 in the news items;
 * 🇮🇩HaEr48 with 1318 points gained mainly from 2 featured articles, 5 good articles and 8 DYKs;
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski with 1201 points mainly gained from 2 featured articles and 10 good articles.

Between them, contestants achieved 14 featured articles, 14 featured lists, 2 featured pictures, 87 good articles, 90 DYK entries, 75 ITN entries, 95 featured article candidate reviews and 81 good article reviews. Congratulations to all who participated! It was a generally high-scoring and productive round and I think we can expect a highly competitive finish to the competition.

Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 4 but before the start of round 5 can be claimed in round 5. Remember too that you must claim your points within 10 days of "earning" them. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. It would be helpful if this list could be cleared of any items no longer relevant. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk), Cwmhiraeth (talk) MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:52, 1 September 2020 (UTC)