User talk:John from Idegon/Archive 10

Re: Laughlin, Nevada article
Hi!

Not sure if I'm formatting this message correctly, so bear with me. I see your point on the crime statistics. It hasn't been substantiated since it was put up. As the Town Constable, I feel confident that the numbers are in fact accurate, I just wanted that extra bit of verification which Wikipedia of course encourages. I read your message. Is your objection that the source is from a profit making entity?

Thank you,

Jordan Ross, Constable Laughlin Township www.laughlinconstable.org    — Preceding unsigned comment added byJordan Clements Ross (talk • contribs) 01:21, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, my objection to the Realtor's site is that it is commercial. My suggestion to you would be to look for crime stats in other city articles and see what they sourced them to.  Generally, all information in a Wikipedia article about a city should come from a second party source such as a newspaper, book, or magazine.  The exception would be completely noncontroversial stuff like the city's official address, etc.  It, BTW, isn't MY objection.  You should familiarize yourself with WP:RS, which is the policy on reliable sources.


 * Unfortunately, your reply here has raised another issue. You have a conflict of interest on the article on Laughlin, as you are an elected official of the city.  See WP:COI on what that means to you.  Your edits are borderline promotional, and you, as one with a conflict of interest, have to be especially careful about that.  It is important to remember that a Wikipedia article on a town is not a promotional tool for the town, but an encyclopedia article.  City articles are to be written to a world audience, not a local one.  The last edit regarding social services available is an example of what not to put into the article.  An exception would be if Laughlin had some sort of unique social service program.  Generally, other than the basic statistical stuff, what you want in a city article is what makes the city unique.  The casinos and other things of interest to tourists are a definite for Laughlin.  Looking over the article, it looks pretty good right now except for some "Weasel words".  (The description of the library--the best looking building in town is strictly a matter of opinion and not encyclopedic.)  Also, the section listing the service clubs and churches is not very encyclopedic.  The town I live in in Idaho has all those organizations and only has 2000 residents.  I would lose that whole section.


 * Sorry to ramble. I really like city articles and am glad to help you make yours better.  Please though, before you edit further, read WP:COI.  Thanks. Gtwfan52 (talk) 01:52, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for advice
Hi there,

Thanks so much for your informed and very friendly advice! I have been frustrated because while I was researching pages on other organisations for guidance I'd seen much worse articles on Wikipedia with only primary sources that had not been flagged. What I'm struggling with is at what point are sources really deemed "independent"? Yes, newspapers, tv, radio etc. are, but these days so much news is online, and I have been sourcing online news sources. So I will continue to look for news sources, but I'm not sure which online news sources are considered credible or not...

Unrelated, I'd left my drafts up on my sandboxes, and someone has informed me that linking images here is illegal... do you know why? It doesn't seem to make any sense to me. But I will go ahead and clear my sandboxes.

Thanks! 50.37.21.238 (talk) 07:31, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism/unauthorized/uncalled for edit on my talk page
Any reason why you did this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NewGuy1001 (talk • contribs) 04:57, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes. That page is your to use within guidelines, not yours. what you are doing is an unauthorized use of both your userpage and your usertalk page. Gtwfan52 (talk) 05:00, 1 December 2012 (UTC) BTW, this matter is being discussed now at WP:ANI Gtwfan52 (talk) 05:00, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

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Fuqua School
GTWFAN52

Thank you for your message. I welcome the opportunity to seek your advise regarding information for the above mentioned article. Since, I have documented news articles and books stating that the vision of J. B. Fuqua was to establish the school as a "model school," then how do I go about adding those articles/books as references. Can you help me?

1959wolverine (talk) 17:22, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Kudelski group article
Hi,

I saw your message. In fact, I understand the problem and you are basically right about the article about the Kudelski group. However, the problem is wider than just WP:GNG as these pages (this I know from a reliable source) have never been under control by the company, they were in fact created by some external entity with absolutely no relationship to the company. The problem arose when the company tried, a couple of days ago, to regain control over the page. The result is that the people that should be trusted about it have been locked out in favor of the original authors. I would personnally rewrite the whole thing, but the issue should be first resolved with so they can regain control, maybe you know how to solve this ? --Eforler (talk) 08:50, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You are under a mistaken notion, my friend. People associated with the organization that is the subject of an article do not ever control it.  No one individual controls any Wikipedia article.  We do things by consensus here.  The user you mentioned is now blocked from editing on Wikipedia due to their name, a name that implied a)A connection to a specific organization that they created an article about, and b)the fact that their name implied that their account was being used by group of people, which is also not allowed.  Further, they should not edit the article in question, as they have a conflict of interest.  If they get unblocked, they should post requests to edit the article on the articles talk page and the other editors will decide if, and how the edit will be made.  I will be asking several other editors to keep an eye on the article to make sure there are no edits that seem COI.  And I am not trying to mock you, but yes, WP:GNG is the entire issue. By the way, do you have any connection to the Kudelski group? Gtwfan52 (talk) 09:08, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I do have one yes, but am not at all involved in the pages we're talking about and not part of the people trying to correct the pages. You are perfectly right about the control and the conflict of interest. However, the result is just that much information on these pages is plain wrong. Not finding references on the web does not mean that something does not exist (but again I do agree that this is a fundamental and a problem is this case). Furthermore, historically the pages were created by people with bad intentions in mind. Frankly speaking, I think all the pages related to the Kudelski group should be rewritten from scratch. So someone with the correct information has to regain control over these articles. That guy will not be me however.--Eforler (talk) 13:26, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you may not understand what Wikipedia does. As an encyclopedia, it is considered a tertiary source; that is to say that Wikipedia gathers its information from what others have written about the subject at hand. So that means that if all anyone can find about "Foo, Inc" is that they were involved in the slaughter of stray kittens in the 1970's, that is all that can be in the article.  They could be right on the edge of curing cancer, but unless there have been notice of it, It can not be in the article, but the kitty's can stay,

It is not so much about truth, but about verifiability.Gtwfan52 (talk) 23:54, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Which means Wikipedia will consider whatever information found out there, even totally false, is verifiable, so Wikipedia has a duty to add some credibility to it, right ? You should be a bit more humble, 'my friend'. But let's stop this trolling. I will not interfere anymore. Wishing you a good day (really).--194.6.174.13 (talk) 11:07, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

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AFD Kudelski Group
Hi there, as an uninvolved editor, I have done some major cleanup of the article and was wondering if you would like to update or reconsider your position for the Articles for deletion/Kudelski Group. Thanks Tiggerjay(talk) 07:42, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry to say, but no. There is still no secondary sourcing.  To quote WP:CORP, "An organization is generally considered notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources."  You have done a lot of good work on cleaning it up, but that still doesn't solve the notability problem. Gtwfan52 (talk) 14:30, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks
Thanks for advising of articles. I have updated it with reference to the news article where the superintendent was removed from his post. — Preceding unsigned comment added byGusmacker (talk • contribs) 14:51, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

My Edits
Dear Gtwfan52, I received your message regarding my edits to the Findlay, Ohio wiki page. As a lifelong resident of Findlay, a graduate of Findlay High School, The University of Findlay (as well as a current graduate student), and a substitute teacher for the Findlay City Schools, I felt compelled to expand the "education" section of the page, which I feel is sorely lacking. Most of the information is from my own personal knowledge, but the specific information I obtained was credited to the sites for Findlay City Schools and The University of Findlay where I obtained that information. If my citations were not properly placed or in the correct format, I apologize. While I would like very much for my article to remain, there was another minor edit that was of more importance to me. Under "Notable Natives", there was a listing for a porn star named Brandy Talore that I removed from the list. I do not know how she ended up on the list of Findlay's notable natives, but she clearly DOES NOT belong there. Her own wiki page states that she is from Toledo and Genoa (which are NOT part of the Findlay area). It is unlikely that she has ever even visited Findlay if that is where she lived. In this area of Ohio, we take pride in out home towns, and Findlay is respectable family-oriented community. Persons associated with the porn industry (who clearly are not even from Findlay) do not belong on a list of our notable natives. If there was a "Hall of Shame" perhaps, but even then, that woman is not from Findlay, and the type of filth she promotes has no business being associated with our town. I am quite adamant that she be removed from the list.

Thank you--Ohio777girl (talk) 20:22, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

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Joke Post not me
Hey there. I received a message I left a joke on the Catherine McAuley page...i did no such thing. i changed the city from Brooklyn New York to Portland Maine, that was the only think I did on that page FYI. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffreyschools (talk • contribs) 13:20, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Talk
I received a talk from you that said if I put anything else on the Catherine McAuley page I would be banned. maybe it was spam or someone hacked, not sure..just wanted it known I did not post inappropriate info anywhere — Preceding unsigned comment added by12.53.197.10 (talk) 18:43, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

reply
I have replied to your post on my talk page. — Precedingunsigned comment added by 71.90.216.96 (talk) 05:06, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

List of lakes in Wisconsin
1. I tried to point out on the talk page that an article that was a list of lakes in Wisconsin was silly, but my ideas were opposed by every single person who responded. I have a cheap netbook, and the page loads just fine for me. 2. The article is "broke down" [sic] alphabetically. 3. According to the title of the article, this isn't a list of notable lakes in Wisconsin; it's a list of lakes in Wisconsin.

If you'd like to help establish some meaningful criteria for this article, please join the discussion on the article's talk page. -- Mesconsing (talk) 00:15, 26 December 2012 (UTC)


 * As to copyright - not a problem. Facts can't be copyrighted. And the article certainly bears no resemblance to the report that is its source.


 * In case you didn't notice, I removed the pdf file from additional reading because I added it as a source. Why don't you try reading the articles you attempt to critique before going off half cocked? -- Mesconsing (talk) 00:17, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

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La Sierra High School
While I can't argue "policy" about a school's achievements, I think its pretty lame of you to wholesale X out a bunch of this school's athletic achievements. I've traveled a lot of high school articles that have far lesser, individual achievements listed, sometimes as the school's only limited achievements. Of course, I think a still standing national record is rather significant. Many schools derive their entire minor claim to fame based on the individual achievements of their alumni. You'd have your work cut out for you to delete all that material based on "policy," to the detriment of wikipedia. That said, when you do make an edit, short sighted or not, look at the article to see the additional damage you have done. You left the additional reference (that I had updated literally minutes earlier, apparently inspiring your deletion) as a missing ref, because you deleted the first, named ref. You are a very active editor, spouting policy to delete content. You are not a novice. You should know better. Trackinfo (talk) 10:21, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You have been here far longer than I. You should know that just because something is somewhere else,is not a justification for it being in the particular article you are concerned with (WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS).  I have absolutely nothing to be ashamed of.  You are personalizing something that is absolutely not personal.  You might wish to read the school article guidelines.  You will find them at WP:WPSCH/AG.  As far as Reggie Wyatt goes, the guidelines would allow you to mention his accomplishments at the state track meet as long as you get rid of the "weasel words".  Even if he was the only one that marked at the state meet, no athlete "singlehandedly" wins anything.  His coaches trained him, the team equipment manager washed his gear, etc, etc.  He has a large article on the 'pedia already and he is already listed in the Notable Alumni section.  Happy editing and I hope the new year brings you many blessings! Gtwfan52 (talk) 10:40, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Superstar Santhosh Pandit
Hello Gtwfan52. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Superstar Santhosh Pandit, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: not a hoax, film exists, but I doubt it meets WP:NF. I found  which says it "has had a limited release in a few theatres across the state." I will probably AfD it, unless you get there first - it has previously been PROD-deleted and recreated, so it can't be PRODded again. Regards, JohnCD(talk) 12:50, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Our young friend
...came back on my talk page begging to keep his userbox. I told him to make his parents read my note and WP:YOUNG and then, if they agreed, I would not remove it again, but I could not guarantee that someone else might not object to it. Just FYI when you see it back again. JohnCD (talk) 17:02, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Black Anvil
[http://www.songbird.me/#artists/black-anvil-4f9f554105bcc8000100001c/updates/507fa58bd3a30561c5000006 Is this a good source for the new member's name? Cause many sites say they're now a four piece but don't mention the member's name, but here it does.]

"Sunday October 21, 2012 we play our first ever live show as a 4 piece. It is with great honor we welcome our new comrade, Sos to the fold for this special ritual."

BlastBeat4 (talk) 01:25, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I couldn't find any mention of a band roster on that site, but I will take your word for it. I thought you were going to source the band's roster to the label's website?  Frankly, that songbird site doesn't look all that reliable, but you can take it to the reliable source noticeboard and ask their opinion.  I am not that good at band articles.  You may want to go to the wikiproject on rock music and ask for an opinion.  What I saw last I looked at your article was a need for notability, which you strictly have to use reliable sources to show. Gtwfan52 (talk) 05:20, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Black Anvil - DRAFT
Here's my draft and I confirmed it's finally finished. I put as many sources as I can and on the reliable sources noticeboard they said they were alright sources if there weren't any. So how does my draft look so far? Tell me if I need to make more improvements and I'll do so. Thanks!

BlastBeat4 (talk) 21:05, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I did a little copyediting and removed the links to twitter and facebook. (Neither are usually used in External links and they are on the band's webpage).  Looks good.  I think it should pass just fine if you submit it now.  Just remember, I am not a Doctor, nor do I play one on TV! Gtwfan52 (talk) 22:45, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Bay City, Michigan
I should not have been editing that late at night. I overlooked/missed the dog. It didn't register. Good catch. 7&amp;6=thirteen(☎) 13:00, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Responding to Ninevah,IN
Sorry this didn't come sooner, I am a busy person. I am a bit unsure about citing, however I am still learning. Thks for the advice. — Preceding unsigned comment added byTobyflanderson24 (talk •contribs) 17:46, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
TheOriginalSoni (talk) 21:50, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

submitted
But I want you to check the page submission page. If it's submitted incorrectly just try fixing it since I don't know how to submit easily.

BlastBeat4 (talk) 03:26, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

New editor barnstar
Tell me what you want and I can do an SVG graphic. In case you missed Dennis' reply the basic of the barnstar coding are at one of his sandboxes and all you need to do is replace the graphic. Not sure what graphic you might like? Let me know and I'll put my mind to it.--Amadscientist (talk) 23:09, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Well I discovered the dude was actually updating lists of people from almost every state, and he did a prodigious amount of it in just a few days, all well. I was looking either for something for new editors or something related to Idaho, neither of which exist. But I did give him an existing barnstar already. However, as I suck at graphic work and you are offering, I was thinking something to denote newness (a baby, perhaps?) inside a regular barnstar. Thanks, mad! (At least I am not asking for an Armenian American in it.) Zhivio! Gtwfan52 (talk) 23:46, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL! OK...let me do a little work.--Amadscientist (talk) 00:56, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh god my eyes...whatever you do.....don't google "birth". Not a good idea. LOL!--Amadscientist(talk) 01:01, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * OK. I have come up with two separate ideas. Give me a while to inkscape them up and I will post them here for you.--Amadscientist (talk) 01:32, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
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Here is the first one, for those editors who, as you said, are brand new but on the right path:

Use: Put your message here. ~

I have one more idea, but might not get to it for a bit.--Amadscientist (talk) 10:07, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Boling-Iago
Please see my reply at the Boling-Iago, Texas talk page. Thanks. Djmaschek (talk) 08:28, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

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Might be off Wiki for a bit
Personal issues need attendig so, I may not be able to respond for a day or two. Maybe less...depends.--Amadscientist (talk) 11:10, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Hope all is well. I will try to keep an eye on our friends at the list. Gtwfan52 (talk) 20:07, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * OK. Better now. May not spend too much time online but all is better.--Amadscientist (talk) 23:00, 31 December 2012 (UTC)