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Revert on the Cardinal Gibbons Page
I understand how my edit could be viewed as biased, but I assure you that with my experience in the Cardinal Gibbons Community, that is the most prestigious program, and is regarded as such by both students and faculty. I would be happy to change the phrasing of my statement, but I do feel that my contribution is helpful. Please reconsider. Thank you so much and have a wonderful new year. Your contributions to the Wikipedia community are very much acknowledged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Msmonkeybean (talk • contribs) 04:34, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

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Hey John
I have no idea what you mean when you reject my article. When you tried to read it, was there not enough written or was there nothing there? Sorry this seems like a silly question but I would really appreciate feedback on the article. Thank you so much! God bless. — Preceding unsigned comment added byMsmonkeybean (talk • contribs) 16:21, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

I always seem to disagree...
Hey John, I really appreciate your help but I am trying to get this article on Wikipedia. So I really need to know how. I know that Adam Buckley is notable, but why isn't YouTube recognized as a reliable source for his notability. The man in this article has almost 400,000 subscribers on YouTube, 21,000+ followers on Twitter, and his page has 40,000+ likes on Facebook.

So since I know that he is notable enough (which he is, there shouldn't be a question) I am going to make a scenario.

The mayor of my hometown does not have a Wikipedia, but he is notable enough to. Adam Buckley has more influence on society than the mayor of my hometown, as the mayor's influence only spans about 25,000 people. Adam Buckley's influence reaches over 400,000 people. So what exactly makes the mayor's notability be recognized? Do you understand what I am asking? Why can the mayor of a small town in North Carolina have a Wikipedia page, but Adam Buckley can't?

And here is my final question. What sources would you view as reliable to cite notability.

Thank you so much for your time. I know that you are probably very very busy and I appreciate all the help you are giving me. I understand I probably seem a bit standoffish, but I don't know how else to say this. I just really think this man has earned a spot on Wikipedia. Have a wonderful day! Your kindness is acknowledged! — Precedingunsigned comment added by Msmonkeybean (talk •contribs) 17:04, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

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Seven Lakes High School
Hi- I don't necessarily have a problem with you reversing that edit I made to Seven Lakes High School, however I don't feel that it was not neutral as you seemed to suggest. In fact, what the line in question was talking about was the "Chronicle Cup", an award given to distinguished high school athletic programs. A high school must be "superb" in order to receive such an award, so by calling SLHS that, I was merely making a distinction between regular/so-so HS athletic programs and that of SLHS which won this 2008 Chronicle Cup on the merits of its athletic program. That's all. — Precedingunsigned comment added by Rovv123 (talk •contribs) 02:49, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

John - for Chaminade High School edits that of mine that you reversed on 16 January 2014, you indicate that a source should be referenced other than the school. My question is this: where else would one obtain data regarding tuition, size of student body, etc. except from the school? It would be like asking Yale University to provide the tuition and enrollment for Harvard. No one questioned the prior statistical edits to Chaminade High School, which are clearly erroneous, so why would mine be questioned? Thanks,

Built1905 (talk) 00:21, 17 January 2014 (UTC)built1905Built1905(talk) 00:21, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Chaminade High School (Mineola, NY) - edits on 16 January 2014 by built1905
John - for Chaminade High School edits that of mine that you reversed on 16 January 2014, you indicate that a source should be referenced other than the school. My question is this: where else would one obtain data regarding tuition, size of student body, etc. except from the school? It would be like asking Yale University to provide the tuition and enrollment for Harvard. No one questioned the prior statistical edits to Chaminade High School article (size of student body, rivalries, tuition, fees (there are no contrary to the article), which are clearly erroneous and were not referenced either, so why question the statistics that come from the school's annual report? Built1905 (talk) 00:34, 17 January 2014 (UTC)built1905Built1905(talk) 00:34, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

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Did Floyd Patterson live in Yonkers?
I noticed that you reverted the edit of Floyd Patterson as a Yonkers resident because YouTube is not a reliable source. It seems that nothing is a reliable source when it comes to Wikipedia information. I know for a fact that Floyd Patterson lived in Yonkers in 1962. He lived in the Beech Hill section, which is just west of the Bronx River Parkway at Harney Road. Click on the following ling for more information:

http://books.google.com/books?id=WiTLhuqN1AQC&pg=PA180&lpg=PA180&dq=floyd+patterson+yonkers&source=bl&ots=0dPz6FMCgb&sig=UaU7CnigCzapr_hzqeL6-HrQ00E&hl=en&sa=X&ei=SEvZUoPUM6LisATHxYDwDA&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=floyd%20patterson%20yonkers&f=false

If you like, you can re-enter the name of Floyd Patterson as a Yonkers resident, because he did in fact live there.

Anthony22 (talk) 15:33, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Chaminade High School
John,

Actually I have an association with the school as an alumnus but I am not employed by the school in any capacity, nor am I even active in the alumni association. My user name refers to something other than the school. I have been monitoring the page for a while since there has been a lot of vandalism over the years and I wanted to keep the page, at least, accurate, which includes some negative information listed that is a matter of public record so it remains there. Several questions for you:

1. You noted that honorifics are no longer used. The abbreviations I had added after the name of certain individuals are those used by members of the religious order that runs the school. It is the same as a Jesuit priest who uses the initials, S.J. after his name. If someone wrote comments referencing Pope Francis, Rabbi Cohen, or Reverend Jones, would you remove those religious titles, and just refer to them as Francis, Cohen, or Jones?

2. Where do you propose to obtain test scores from an independent source? How do you propose to deal with the average test scores already listed, which were never referenced to an independent source but remain there? I am certain that the CEEB does not publish average scores for individual prep schools. I am also certain most colleges that publish the average test scores for the incoming freshman class would not be challenged.

3. Other information (which you might cite as non-controversial) is erroneous and likely the result of vandalism, including, the size of the student body, the annual tuition, and the fees (listed as $900 but there are no fees). Likewise, when these erroneous figures were entered, they were never reference either, but were never challenged and remain in place.

Thank you.

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help on a vandal
Hi I am aware that you are watching the tiger vs lion page. A user called Golden Prime has just made 9 lengthy vandalizing edits- no source, pure opinions, quoting from pure fictions, or made-up statements by combining sources to imply something that the original text didn't say at all. The user can be traced to a few lion fanatic sites. Because he made too many conflicting intermediate edits some edits could not be undone. I manually changed them back to the last accepted version but he immediately reverted it to his own. Based on his actions in other sites I expect he won't stop. Is there a way to semi lock the page or revert all his changes with a single click? Thanks for your help. --BigCat82 (talk) 05:44, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

WP:BURDEN
The burden is on you to provide reliable sourcing or revert. "Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed... The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing a reliable source that directly supports the material." You restore it, you cite it. Toddst1 (talk) 15:55, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and cleaned up after you. Toddst1 (talk) 16:14, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry you got up on the wrong side of the bed today mate. Great edit! Cheers! John from Idegon(talk) 16:19, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Help with David Camm article
Hey, I heard you were a good editor and was wondering if you have some time to help me. I made some major edits to the David Camm page. It was all deleted citing "unencyclopedic style". I'm new here and don't know where the balance is between being too boring and being too journalistic. It doesn't strike me as too flowery, but I'd like someone experienced to help me edit it so it's acceptable. Would you mind giving it a look? If you don't have time, no biggie. Bali88 (talk) 01:33, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi. I do not work much on bios so I don't know what exactly you are looking for.  I do have a couple observations however.  First, if someone reverts an edit you make and leaves an explanation, you should not ever just put it back.  The proper procedure is to start a discussion on the article's talk page (see WP:BRD for details.)  Second, and I don't have a policy to reference for on this, it does seem considerably over detailed and long.  This article, which frankly, is only borderline in even making notability (see WP:BLP1E) is as long as most presidents of the United States articles.  Briefly summarize the main points with references for the details.  We generally do not name individuals who would not qualify for a Wikipedia biography in other articles due to libel concerns and concerns about people editing an article with the purpose of getting their, or a friends name on the 'net.  Hope this helps. John from Idegon (talk) 16:40, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. I did attempt to discuss the issue with him and get some input on how to fix the article but he hasn't gotten back to me. I'm not sure if he's been busy or just isn't terribly interested in working with me on it. Before I put it back up, I fixed tone issues he mentioned and am working on fixing the couple of source issues he mentioned. If they don't get back with you, is the norm to just leave it alone? I wasn't sure so I asked for other input (you and a couple of others). I feel like the notability of this article is being undervalued. This is a big case for a number of reasons. It's been profiled on Nancy Grace, 48 hours (3 times), good morning america, it's about to be on Dateline for the second time, and it's a featured case for many wrongful conviction groups. Also, the prosecutorial misconduct is above and beyond what you would normally see in any criminal case and was covered extensively in the media. I've done a lot of work on the article so I don't want to let it go but I'm not sure what to do. Is there another editor who enjoys doing this? Should I just give up? Bali88 (talk) 19:03, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You asked for my advice, I gave it to you. I am really puzzled as to why you think the minutia of this case, which at best is of interest to police buffs, some Hoosiers and people connected with it, is more important than the life of Calvin Coolidge? This man is famous only, absolutely only, for this one event. This is why I always discourage people from writing about events they have strong feelings about or are connected to.John from Idegon (talk) 22:17, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

I hope you didn't misread my tone on this, I genuinely am seeking input and am very grateful for your advice and help. I'm a newbie and I'm feeling my way through things. I don't think this case is more important than other topics, but there are dozens of message boards dedicated to the case, thousands of news articles, thousands of hours of news reports on it, so it's genuinely is a topic that people are interested in reading about aside from myself. I've never written an encyclopedia article before and am comparing it to other crime articles and attempting bring it up to code. There aren't any set guidelines that I've seen as to how long an article should be so I'm just comparing it to other crime articles and trying to conform it to that. If I've made a mistake there, hopefully you can understand why I made that mistake. Again, I appreciate any and all help you have given me. :-)Bali88 (talk) 22:21, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
 * And I am sorry for my tone. Wikipedia has been at best frustrating for me lately. No internet at home and very little time on it anymore. Please take to heart my words on sourcing.  I will leave some info on your page.  Keep in mind there are numerous noticeboards that talk ad nauseum about the existence of Bigfoot and other such sketchy topics.  Step away from yourinterest in the subject and try to look at it from an outside viewpoint, keeping in mind that the intended audience of Wikipedia is the English-speaking world, not just the United States.  I hold fast to my belief that the article is already about 5 times longer than the subject warrants, and you are adding to it.  If you want to improve it, make it smaller and more concise, relying on your references (reliably sourced ones!) to provide the details.  That is what an encyclopedia article is supposed to be.  Encyclopedias are not intended to be detailed discussions of all the available info on a subject; instead, they are to be summaries of what the most important sources say about any given subject. John from Idegon (talk) 22:45, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
 * And I just took a look at your talk page. All the links you need are already there.  The policy on sourcing is found atWP:RS.  Please read that and ask any questions you may have either here or at the Teahouse. John from Idegon (talk) 22:48, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Why am I involved?
Hello. A user sent me a complaint about you on my talk page. I do not understand what it is about. Take care.Snowfalcon cu (talk) 02:05, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

I apologize
Hey John I want to apologize about not stating the source on my edit, I simply thought that my brain would be reliable enough, guess I'm wrong :/ Anyways I checked out your profile, pretty cool profile you got there man. I saw that you're an advanced toilet user, that's some serious distinction, great job! I was wondering if you could assess me so I could know my level as a toilet user, it would mean a lot to me! Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added byFeposi (talk • contribs) 23:30, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

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Follow-up to my Bot message
Hi John, Thanks for your comment about the Bot's message regarding the bracket I removed in the Satish K. Tripathi article! :-) You are so funny; I am still laughing.  It's good to hear from you; I hope you are doing well and enjoying the new year so far.  Be well, Daniellagreen (talk) 21:36, 28 January 2014 (UTC)