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Putting NPG in the Hebrew University's of Jerusalem main page
Hi, Following your revision of my article about NPG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mikicook/sandbox), i'd like to continue the discussion - should it, as a sub-division of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem (HUJI), appear in it's article page or on a page of it's own?

First of all, thanks for replying. Second, I'd like to declare my COI with this article - it's an organization I'm working in. I wish to contribute to it's inclusion in Wiki, though trying to keep it as neutral as possible (that's why I asked for so many revisions of it) while following the COI guidelines. I haven't mentioned this in the TeaHouse message, since I didn't think someone would actually revise the article. I thought I would just get directions how to apply for a revision.

Well, I agree it should be included in HUJI's main page, but maybe just as a short summary. Since it's a well developed topic, shouldn't it have a page of it's own? Besides, it is also one of Israel's open-air museums, I thought it could also have a part in that list (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-air_and_living_museums). What do you think?

Generally, do you recommend resubmitting it for creation? Thanks again Mikicook 16:26, 11 March 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikicook (talk • contribs)
 * Hi, ! It would be advisable, in my opinion to develop some content on the university's page about it.  What you have in your sandbox would be pretty good for that, if you edit it down in size a bit.  Also, please go through what you have written and remove all the first person references. There are places where you have referred to "our" this or that.  Encyclopedia articles need to be written from the viewpoint of an outside observer.  You can easily add it to the list you mentioned still.  You would simply Wikilink it by typing Hebrew University of Jerusalem .  You are of course still welcome to buff it up a bit and resubmit it as an article.  Just make sure you add some more references, preferably some you can view online. I will let another reviewer review it if you go that route, and I wish you luck. Also, please remember to sign your comments on talk pages or in forums like the Teahouse by typing four tildes ( ~ )at the end of your communication. John from Idegon (talk) 17:25, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for the quick reply. I guess I'd rather try and buff it up a bit. I have added an extra article to the sources' list, it's not available online either..I have a scanned copy of all of these articles though - if I'd upload them to wiki and post a link in the article, will it suffice for reliable sources? (I do sign with 4 tildes, I just haven't made a link out it, so it appears plain text:\) Thanks again Mikicook 09:04, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * No, offline sources are fine. That's why I am going to let another reviewer review it next time.  Many of our editors are university students who may have access tot he periodicals you are referencing.  I do not.  Thanks for working to improve the people's encyclopedia and happy editing! John from Idegon (talk) 14:36, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi, thanks again!

One last question - After uploading pictures directly to the article, without submitting them to Commons, what else is needed in order to finish their licensing? I'll explain - I've received personally by mail a few pictures of the article's exhibits, by their author and creator. He has also confirmed their free usage and distribution. While reading the uploading files' manual, I got totally lost about how these pictures should be licensed. Therefor, I've just uploaded them directly, while mentioning the relevant details in their page. What else is needed in order to finish their licensing procedure? Thanks! Mikicook 11:14, 18 March 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikicook (talk • contribs)
 * Hi, Mikicook. I think you may be a bit confused.  You cannot directly upload a picture to an article.  Perhaps you are trying to upload them to en.wikipedia instead of Commons?  That is going to be my assumption to formulate an answer to your question.  I found the three pictures you are talking about I think.  It appears you have done most of what needs to be done, assuming the email to OTRS has been sent by the professor.  Source should be "Donated by author" tho. John from Idegon (talk) 14:38, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi hi, I guess you're right. What mail to OTRS? What is OTRS? Neither of us has sent any mail so far...Thanks!Mikicook 14:13, 23 March 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikicook (talk • contribs)
 * On the file pages for the photos, you had stated that the email from the copyright holder was being taken care of. I really don't know what OTRS stands for, but the owner of the photos has to release them by emailing otrs.  there are links on the file page.  unless this happens, the pictures will end up getting deleted.  Wiki is very insistent about proper copyright procedures.  And as I stated above, unless he is willing to completely release them (that is give up his right to receive payment anywhere for the pictures use or re-use), you cannot use the pictures. John from Idegon (talk) 16:42, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

As an ambassador, do I get cool car tags??
Hey there, I did indeed locate the Ghost Town Barnstar and thought I would award it to the editor. Amazing work, BUT yes, there are some things which will need to be addressed. They are minor, interviews, the facts that they ate chickens and loaded wood, etc et, however, I was IMPRESSED. It is difficult to communicate just how much work goes into providing veracity to these places. As to the barnstar designation, as you will imagine, remote places such as these are not common topics of dinner conversation...at lest for those who do not explore the places..our house debates them daily....I have volunteered to assist, and the offer is genuine hopefully, this article could grow into impressive stature. Coal town guy (talk) 20:42, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. When I saw his work, I immediately thought of you.  Really interesting page! John from Idegon (talk) 20:46, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * May I be so bold as to suggest that one of you nominate the editor for an "Eddy"? I'm always on the look-out for editors, especially new editors, that deserve a pat-on-the-back. And, it would have a special twist coming from a previous Awardee. Thanks for considering. ```Buster Seven   Talk  21:49, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Second that, CTG. Go for it. John from Idegon (talk) 21:51, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * GROOVY, I shall get to it this eveningCoal town guy (talk) 21:56, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Neat-O! TY. ```Buster Seven   Talk  21:58, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I have placed my nomination for DrGregMN.Coal town guy (talk) 22:27, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

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Veteran Editor
Hi John, Congrats on receiving your Iron Editor Star! Wow! Daniellagreen (talk) 00:25, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Admin
Is it time? I believe several months ago you said to commence nagging in March. :-)  Go  Phightins  !  02:25, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Seconded - ```Buster Seven   Talk  05:20, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thirded. Northern Antarctica (₵) 04:31, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Well I have managed to make some more "non-friends" in high places since then and my RL is still pretty unstable, so I am going to have to put it off a while longer. Life seems to be headed toward greater stability, so if internet access can be worked out to be a non-issue for me, give me til May.  Thanks for your confidence. John from Idegon (talk) 17:43, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Internet fraud prevention
I started to copy edit the above article before discovering that it is part of an educational program for Univ. of Michigan students. I may reach out to you for assistance if the students revolt. TY. ```Buster Seven   Talk  22:16, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Not to be dense, but how did you discover that? Is it through our education program?  If so, why don't they template articles affected?  I have seen some absolutely disastrous "class projects" that were not properly supervised. John from Idegon (talk) 17:40, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I originally was checking "Recent changes" for either vandalism or for new editors to welcome. For welcomes, I look for Red "User/Talks" with at least a few contributions. User:Nickmich1695 led me to User:Ethanforman which led me to the article and then to Education Program:University of Michigan/SI 110: Introduction to Information (Winter 2014). I thought you might be interested. I didnt want to step on any toes but the article is bloated and seems obviously paraphrased from articles and books. I was going to do a rewrite but then discovered the U of M educational program. ```Buster Seven   Talk  20:50, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey ....wanted to let you know I reverted the removal of the orphan tag on this. To be considered not an orphan it has to have links to 2 articles in mainspace.  This article only has one.  Normally, i would have just found an article to link to it, but I feel the best thing for this article is a merge to the only article that is now linked to it. John from Idegon (talk) 21:24, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * TKS J. I learn 'sumthin' new every day. I added this article to the "See also" section @ Spoofed URL. Having never merged two significant (size) articles, I'll put that on the back burner. As for the article as it exists, I find that it is 5 separate authors (students) with very little cross-editing of each other and so no real Wikipedia-like collaboration. I think I will wait till the school project is over and see what the result is. I may be wrong but it just seems more like a term paper rather than an article. ```Buster Seven   Talk  19:20, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

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Plant HS
Thanks! Although you probably don't know it, I consider you my Wikipedia mentor. Thanks for all that you do. I will keep an eye on Plant, Wharton, and a couple others for a while.Jacona (talk) 16:38, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Wow. I am flattered.  I am kinda a prick with my edit summaries on HS articles, cause most of the inappropriate junk comes from students who feel like the pages belong to  them. I'm really a pretty nice guy.  If you ever need any help with anything, holla!  I do a lot at both AfC and AfD and would be happy to help you expand your horizons a bit.  Glad you are here. John from Idegon (talk) 20:11, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * "The seeds you plant are nurtured by others". ```Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  20:45, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

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Deleted articles and COI question
Hi John from Idegon,

Im not sure if this where I should ask questions to you so apologies if not and feel free to cut and paste back in the right place. Thank you very much for your message, I completely understand your view on COI and how some of the content could be perceived as promotional or advertising. What do you suggest I do to get the speedy deltion of our Uk page cancelled? Should I be the one editing it? and if so, would this be considered COI even if the new content is encyclopedic?

Many thanks Wikikokoba Wikikokoba (talk) 16:06, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi, Wikikokoba. You find a guide to editing with a COI here:  WP:PSCOI.  It would probably be wise if you familiarized yourself with the requirements for notability (that is the name we use for our policy on what to include in the encyclopedia) at WP:GNG and the specific requirements for businesses at WP:NCORP.  Please keep in mind that the standard for inclusion here has nothing to do with anyone's perceived importance of a given subject.  Instead, it is the fairly objective standard of whether others are talking about the subject of the article in reliable sources.  Hope that helps.  If you have any questions after reading up a bit, feel free to come back and ask. Happy editing! John from Idegon (talk) 16:32, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Question about sources
My edits to the Salesianum School page all had sources, in the athletics section and notable alumni section. What is your concern with my edits? They are not wrong or damaging the site. http://www.wdel.com/story.php?id=57477 clearly states that Salesianum has won 140 state championships. That same article discusses Salesianum's first basketball state championship. Paul Ciancia is an alum, as the article http://abcnews.go.com/US/lax-suspect-paul-ciancia-loner-classmates/story?id=20773451. http://www.cmgbooking.com/catholic-speakers/kevin-reilly verifies Kevin Reilly's association with the school. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0919991/bio refers to Tom Welling's time at Salesianum. Is there a reason why these are not acceptable sources?

Igotthis (talk) 13:55, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, Igotthis! apologies on the radio station reference.  I just plain misread it.  the others, however are not what wikipedia calls reliable sources.  And the guy from the airport is inappropriate on many levels.  Firstly, he is not notable.  When someone's name redirects to an article about something he is involved in, that indicates that it has already been decided that he is not notable enough to have an article.  Being notable enough to have an article is the inclusion standard for lists of notable alumni.  The abc news ref is fine.  it still doesn't make the guy notable.  but a booking agency is not an independent or a reliable source and IMDB is never a reliable source.  The ref that was on the state championship claims goes nowhere.  without referencing it, you can't claim most, best, or any other superlative. If you can source it, it is great content for the article.  I frankly have never done an article on a Delaware high school but most states sanctioning bodies have an archive that you can reference that to. John from Idegon (talk) 19:45, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

How would I add additional links to the page that reference Salesianum School without using them as references to content in the article? Igotthis (talk) 09:55, 29 March 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Igoththis (talk • contribs)

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