User talk:John from Idegon/Archive 33

Curt Wootton
Why was the Curt Wootton reference on the Notable People section removed on the Greensburg, Pennsylvania page? He is a well known actor in the region and has a large fanbase. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.3.70.10 (talk) 01:47, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Utica High
Wouldn't it be better to have this additional information? When was this policy implemented and why isn't being implemented to all high school wiki pages?StevieB5175(talk) 08:32, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

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Salesianum School page
John, I am new to this, but trying to make some needed edits to the Salesianum School page which I started last evening. Some of them are very obvious, such as the misspelling of the President's name and some recent athletic updates. Also, the school has a diverse and acclaimed academic program which is not mentioned, as well as long and rich history in the state of Delaware which currently is limited to a single unfortunate part of our history. I would like to take this on as a project, but this morning I saw that even a few modest attempts have been reset to the previous copy. How does one proceed? Thank you. 2601:B:9980:3CA:BD13:447C:1732:7B76 (talk) 11:51, 11 November 2014 (UTC)Chris


 * I have corrected the President's name as per the school website. I've also removed an unnecessary sub-heading in the "History" section. I haven't done anything with the sporting statistics, as I don't see any benefit in a secondary school article having lists of statistics like these that will need updating every year and don't have independent reliable sources to support them.


 * Some things to bear in mind:
 * WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines gives guidelines for editing school articles.
 * Plano Senior High School and Amador Valley High School are Featured Articles about secondary schools; these show how a school article should look at its best.
 * Your use of the first person suggests you have a WP:Conflict of interest, something to be aware of.
 * Using WP:edit summaries, and/or creating a WP:ACCOUNT, often helps to avoid being speedily reverted. (The vast majority of edits without edit summaries from unregistered accounts on school articles are vandalism from school pupils, and thus such edits tend to be treated as suspect.)


 * Good luck! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 12:27, 11 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Pretty much what he said. John from Idegon (talk) 23:12, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Fairview Alpha, Louisiana
Hey friend. We've chatted before about Wiki policy on US cities. I'm having an issue with a recent edit to Fairview Alpha, Louisiana. I've always used "unincorporated community" as the identifying characteristic, but the community is indeed a populated place. I've also expressed my concerns here Sockpuppet investigations/Dragonrap2. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 14:02, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

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Copyright checks when performing AfC reviews
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Revert of St. Augustine College Preparatory School
I more than appreciate your concerns about the edits being made to the article for St. Augustine College Preparatory School, especially as they relate to COI issues among other concerns. However, your recent revert removed significant amounts of useful changes, corrections and sources that had been added to the article. While there are clear issues with formatting and unencyclopedic material, the additions were made in clear good faith and are overwhelmingly positive improvements to the article. I had assumed that I would wait until the editor was finished with changes to the article before I was going to jump in, but if we more experienced editors are going to be undoing any of the changes this editor had made, we should do it with as light a touch as possible. Alansohn (talk) 21:18, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I completely disagree, but that is no surprise. Private school articles are frequently used as PR vehicles for the school and I will always undertake to revert that aggressively.  Sorry you don't agree, but assuming as much good faith as I possibly can in light of your attitude of ownership over everything related to New Jersey, we will just have to disagree.  If she wants to proceed in the manner which COI policy prescribes, I will glad to consider her improvements.  But at this time, she is obviously writing in a manner to promote, not inform (yes that is my opinion, but an experienced one) and my reversions are proper. John from Idegon (talk) 21:25, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I completely disagree with your take. The edits that have been made to the article are overwhelmingly positive and backed by appropriate sources. The material you reverted includes sourced details about the tuition, accreditation and history of the school, as well as the school's correct name. Your edits made the article distinctly worse than it was before and did so in an arbitrary and disruptive manner. I have reinserted most of the material you had removed and I take full responsibility for the article and its contents. I will look over the shoulder of the person editing the article to ensure that any potential COI issues are addressed. In the meantime, you may want to review WP:AGF. Alansohn (talk) 23:08, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Like I said, we are not going to agree. Her edits were self-admittedly motivated by direction from the school administration, or did you bother to look back far enough to see that before you came barging in here telling me I don't know what I am doing?  She is a pure COI editor, and there is no good faith to be assumed when someone admits that up front.  I instructed her on how to proceed.  Tough luck if you don't like the way I did it.  I did not look at the quality of the rapid fire edits she made, nor do I care.  You can't be a turtle one day and a lion the next.  She MUST proceed per COI policy and discuss her edits on the talk page.  So please drop this here...it won't go anywhere, and I too will review her editing and discuss it on the article's talk page.  People not from Jersey are allowed to do that you know. BYE! John from Idegon (talk) 23:17, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

You may be interested...
I know you do a lot of edits to geo stubs, just as I do. There's an interesting discussion on user Alansohn's talk page which you may wish to contribute to. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:19, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * You should make the acquaintance of . He is the "king" of small US places! I'll stroll by in a bit.John from Idegon (talk) 23:26, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The conversation has moved to Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Magnolia677 (talk) 04:35, 25 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Wow...saw the title. I think there's an echo up in this place. Unfortunately, I cannot open ANI on my phone. Having significant exwife issues today. Don't ever have a child with a sociopath. It leads to too many sleepless nights. But since it appears that is what my agenda for the evening is, i may just take a hike to where my PC is (church) so I can research the ex issues and respond at ANI. Too golden an opportunity to pass up methinks. John from Idegon (talk) 05:12, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

ANI notification
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Alansohn (talk) 04:02, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Aserdaten, New Jersey
Hey friend. Check out Aserdaten. Makes me want to fly to Newark and rent an SUV! Magnolia677 (talk) 05:35, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * And Crossley, New Jersey. Magnolia677 (talk) 01:56, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

"Bath School bombing/disaster"
There is an ongoing RfC about the title for the entry "Bath School bombing/disaster". -The Gnome (talk) 06:24, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

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Your reversion at Santa Rosa, California
For what it's worth, I was going to let that stand. Montgomery Village calls itself a shopping mall and North Bay Biz calls it a "strip mall", which qualifies. :) &mdash; ATinySliver &#47; ATalkPage 23:16, 28 November 2014 (UTC)


 * It really doesn't matter what a group of stores refers to itself as. It might matter what secondary sources said if any were cited. But generally when listing retail outlets it is best to stick to only those that are notable. That is why I reverted the edit. John from Idegon (talk) 00:37, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Hence the cited rewrite, with my thanks for your reply. Meantime, I've also created Montgomery Village Shopping Center which, per the citations, is certainly no more notable than the others but no less, either. Cheers! &mdash; ATinySliver &#47; ATalkPage 02:13, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Steinert High School
Please join me on the talk page for this article. Invite anyone else who you think may be relevant. Gamweb (talk) 20:58, 30 November 2014 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Steinert_High_School#Steinert_High_School.2C_Michigan_State_University_work_out_deal_to_use_Spartans_logo

"prohabition against using staff names" in school articles
Hi!. I hope all is well with you. In this talk page comment and in an earlier comment on that talk page, you indicate that WP:SCH/AG includes a "prohabition against using staff names [that] has just recently been extended to include the infobox." I've looked at all the related discussions and I can find no such consensus to change the widely used standard of listing top staff -- including assistant principals and vice principals -- in the infobox or body of school articles. Can you point me to this new prohibition and where this consensus was reached?


 * You were told not to post here. But since you are stalking me, I guess I shouldn't expect any better. I will not however answer your demand. Take the advice you were given on another user's talk page. And I will not be telling you again to stay off my talk page. Goodye. John from Idegon (talk) 22:30, 3 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Part of the way we reach consensus on Wikipedia is to communicate. I'm here to ask you directly regarding what is being presented as a matter of policy. I have been unable to find the discussion / process which you have referenced. All that's necessary is to point me where this consensus was reached. Alansohn (talk) 22:46, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * We all profess to be concerned about WP:Editor retention. Please respond.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 22:54, 3 December 2014 (UTC)


 * The only editor that is not going to be retained is ME. I have had my fill of arrogant pricks like the asshole above. He stalks me to a brand new editors talk page, addresses a venomious message to me there and doesn't even say boo, good morning or get fucked to the editor whose page it is and I AM THE ONE BEING ORDERED BY YOU TO RESPOND? Fuck this. I've told him to stay off my talk page and it is my understanding that is to be honored. Another editor told him if he doesn't like the guideline he has said he doesn't think needs to be followed he should address his concerns there. What a crock of shit. I have nothing but respect for you, 7 and 6, and it puzzles me why you would get involved in this. But I am done with this. Zigheil, mein Fuhrer Sohn. John from Idegon (talk) 23:41, 3 December 2014 (UTC)


 * BTW, 7 & 6, I clearly told him I would be happy to discuss any particular edit with him on an article talk page when I told him not to post here. I DARED to discuss with a third editor a problem we had both encountered with Mr. Sohn and for that he opened an action against me at ANI. Since then he has been showing up around me in places he had never before gone. On editors i talk to regularly's talk, at articles I edit that he has never before edited upon and the aforementioned new editor's talk. I guess when you have 400,000 edits you are allowed to do as you please. I WILL NOT be answering the jerk. End of story. Bye. John from Idegon (talk) 00:11, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry User:Alansohn has caused you so much frustration. As you know, I spent months editing Mississippi articles, and want to focus now on New Jersey.  Since I began working on that state, he's altered nearly every edit I've made.  In one case, he redirected a new article I had written about a location, because the only source for the article was GNIS.  Then, I noticed many pages he had edited--but not redirected--where the only source was GNIS.  In some cases, he will change edits and then pull his rationale from WP:USCITIES.  In other cases, he'll justify edits by denouncing WP:USCITIES as "not policy".  His edit to Talk:Lincoln Park, New Jersey dumbfounds me.  I will continue to focus on New Jersey for now, as the articles there need attention.  His behavior seems so contrary to the other editors I've encountered on Wiki.  Posting a friendly note at the help desk seems to work, as it attracts attention to edit, and in every instance, support for the edit.  Very unfortunate.  Magnolia677 (talk) 04:48, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I just want to comment that I've greatly appreciated your (both John from Idegon and Magnolia677) help, encouragement, reversions, etc. Don't get too upset with Alansohn, he has obviously done a lot of good work.  Many talented editors (including John, Magnolia, and Alan) justifiably have great confidence in their work.  This sometimes leads to viewing newcomers with suspicion, taking ownership of articles, and perhaps a degree of arrogance toward unfamiliar editors. It may also sometimes lead an editor into using their knowledge to work the system to "rig the game" in their favor, which runs off both vandals and potentially superb editors..... Try to appreciate Alan's obvious desire to improve Wikipedia.  Carefully consider whether his arguments have merit, but don't be intimidated if they do not. Don't let any editor bait you into losing your cool - or if they do, don't immortalize it in page history.  Keep your eye on the goal, keep up the good work everybody and we all win, despite frustrations along the way.  It's a marathon, not a sprint. Thanks again all for the help you have provided me! Jacona (talk) 13:03, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

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