User talk:John from Idegon/Archive 51

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Gunn High School
Thanks for your many improvements to articles on schools. You seem to know a lot about this subject. Perhaps you know something about this article that I do not. I did not realize that every change requires prior consensus, nor do I know how to go about getting that consensus.

On the talk page, I understood you to be concerned that the problem might be blamed on a particular school. Therefore, I added the incident at the other high school, thinking this would give the article a more balanced perspective. I am sorry that did not happen.

After seeing so much news coverage about suicides of Palo Alto students, I decided to learn more by looking in Wikipedia, and I was surprised to see so little information. I think this subject is notable enough for an entire article.

Thanks again for your many contributions to Wikipedia. I look forward to learning how I may help improve the article.

I will look here for your response.

Comfr (talk) 22:52, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You don't have to have prior approval to change an article. If someone disagrees with your addition, then you need to form a consensus. I'd suggest starting a discussion on the article's talk page. Bring forth your sources and any interested editor can discuss what to include. This article is about Gunn, not Paly. Anything about Paly is off topic. If this is a problem affecting multiple schools in the district, perhaps it is better content for the district's article. In any case, the amount of words being used puts way too much weight on this series of events in comparison with the entire history of the school. Perhaps a separate article which could be linked from both Paly and Gunn's page would be the best solution. See you at the talk page. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 23:19, 2 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, I agree. Based upon word count, the history section puts too much weight on just one set of events. Unfortunately, only those events seem notable from the standpoint of national media.  When I do a Google search for "Gunn High School," the most reliable media covers only the suicides.  By way of comparison, most of the Columbine_High_School history section is in the Massacre subsection, even though it is also covered in a separate article.  I agree with you, but I do not know how to solve this problem.  Thanks again for all your contributions to Wikipedia.   Comfr (talk) 00:52, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Concord Academy
The sexual misconduct reported at Concord Academy is not news? This was covered by The Boston Globe in a 20,000 word article aby the Spotlight team. Here is the paragraph directly from the article, "So far this year, at least eight New England private schools have launched or disclosed sexual misconduct investigations. At least five of the probes — at St. George’s School in Rhode Island, Taft School in Connecticut, Phillips Exeter Academy in New Hampshire, Thayer Academy in Braintree, and Concord Academy in Concord — have led to staff members being placed on administrative leave or fired."

This news was also covered by over 100 national and local news sources. Whoisjohngalt (talk) 15:56, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You said it yourself. It is news. The words in blue are links. NOTNEWS is a shortcut to a specific policy that states Wikipedia is not a newspaper. We don't cover lawsuits being filed. We may cover lawsuits being resolved if there is adequate sourcing for it. Other outlets covering the fact that the Globe wrote a story is about the Globe not the school. The individuals named in the Globe story cannot be named here due to our policies on Biographies of living people. If you want something in the article about it, start a discussion on the article's talk page. Make arguments from policy based on solid sources and perhaps you may gain a consensus to include something. Perhaps not. Hope this helped. John from Idegon (talk) 16:55, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

St Francis Prep High School reverts May 12, 1016
Hi there. I noticed that you did a wide sweep and reverted all my page revisions at St. Francis Preparatory School. I find this a little odd.

Perhaps you disagreed with my deletion of the extra curricular activities. In my revision note I explained that I did this as they were extremely sloppy and haphazard and really just took away from the information that may be being sought after by a reader. Complaints about the article's sloppiness date back to 2007 and 2009, as visible in the Talk page. I really stand by the idea that not every group needs to me mentioned, just the ones that are notable for either their achievements or uniqueness, which is why I left in the sports teams that had notable achievements.

And with those, I also made some citation requests, which you reverted/removed as well. I don't understand. Statements such as "over 99 percent of graduating seniors continue on to a higher education" and such-and-such sports team holds such-and-such record, should be backed up, no?

And lastly, I removed a reference link which linked to a dead webpage. And you reverted my revision, keeping the dead link intact. I'm not sure of the logic there.

Can you help me understand your process?

Many thanks, Uncle Cheech (talk) 20:04, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
 * We are actually in agreement on the clubs. A policy based edit summary would have helped. ( WP:NOTDIR) The unsourcable statement about matriculation rates should have just been removed. And you never remove dead links and replace them with cn tag. Instead tag the reference by adding  inside the dead reference immediately preceding the closing tag. If I was overzeleous I apologize. Haven't had much time today, but I'll add my bit to your stuff on the talk page soon. As is not uncommon with private schools this article appears quite promotional. It's my view with puff pieces like these, if it cannot be sourced to an independent source, it goes. I must have not seen what you did correctly....I thought you removed athletics too. That is always independently sourcable. My apologies. I think I was on my phone when I did that. Feel free to revert me and replace the dead links if you like. John from Idegon (talk) 04:40, 13 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much, John. I appreciate the reply and the info.  Yes, I will revert and add the dead links code as you suggested.  That's good to know.   And then I'll follow your suggestion and simply remove the unsourcable statement. Again, your reply is really appreciated.  Uncle Cheech (talk) 20:05, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Chase collegiate
Hi john, I am confused why you are reverting back to old content about chase collegiate school. I am the director of communications there and am using content that the school uses to describe itself. The crest I have been trying to insert was redesigned for the school to celebrate its 150th anniversary in 2015. I respect your wanting to be accurate, but a quick check of the schools website will confirm that I am in fact representing the school accurately.

Please allow this Wikipedia page to reflect the organization accurately and stop reverting to content that was used to describe the organization 5 plus years ago. Thanks! Mzzzmoe (talk) 10:26, 14 May 2016 (UTC)mzzzmoe
 * Wikipedia is not a forum for the school to use to communicate what it wants. As an encyclopedia, we only include information that is verifiable to reliable sources independent of the school. Mundane things like the address and the principal are OK to source to the school but almost anything else is not. The logo is a copyright issue. You had uploaded it as your own work whereas the copyright belongs to the school not you.
 * As someone who received compensation for adding information to Wikipedia, you should not be directly editing the article at all.
 * To reiterate, the school does not decide what goes in our article about it. I'll leave you a couple messages on your talk page directing you to a place where you can ask questions about copyright and instructing you on what you must do as a paid editor to continue here. John from Idegon (talk) 15:34, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 17 May 2016
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Finished updating the Indiana public high school list with updated information
Hey just wanted to let you know that I finished updating all of the public high school information for Indiana. I know that you had helped me out early on (and sporadically through the process), so wanted to make sure that I let you know that I had finished :) Thank you for all that you did! ZCash1104 (talk) 18:15, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Affluent
Hello! Can you point me to the RfC that said we should not use "affluent" as a descriptor for cities? Thanks! --MelanieN (talk) 03:18, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll have to look. It was about a specific neighborhood in LA. I just don't remember the exact location of the discussion or the neighborhood. John from Idegon (talk) 03:27, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Found it! Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities. Someone broke the closing template. I don't know how to fix it. If you could please? Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 03:38, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Hmmm. Well, that wasn't even the question that was asked (which was about including information in the text of a particular city's article), and had I seen it I would have argued for inclusion, at least in those cases where the term is universally used to describe a particular city or neighborhood (Beverly Hills is certainly one of them, La Jolla is another). But I will go along with it, citing the discussion when necessary. Looks like you already fixed the template. --MelanieN (talk) 14:58, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Bowling Green, KY Airport
Obvisoulsy, John from Idegon, Wikipedia isn't a newspaper, however all over the news as well as official statements from the city and the airport state that the airline has already signed a contract and will be delivering air service here. It is listed on other wikipedia sites even Atlanta's wikipedia page lists Contour flights starting August 1. So, from that stand point, stating that the airport has no commercial service is not accurate at all. How I had it worded states exactly the facts. The Bowling Green city page is the only article that omits the commercial air service portion. The previous person wanted sources, so I posted the Daily News. If you would like more sources you can contact Warren County Judge Executive Mike Buchanan, who was there at the event, as well as the mayor and state leaders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hurko1 (talk • contribs) 06:31, 19 May 2016 (UTC)


 * So I can fly to BG today? No. When there is scheduled airservice, you add it. Until then you don't. Simple enough? We don't report on announcements of potential future events. We report on facts. You have between the two accounts you are using maybe a dozen edits, all on the same subject. A wise man listens to people with more experience than he. John from Idegon (talk) 06:41, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/First Lutheran Church (Winthrop, Minnesota)
Don't forget to complete this nomination by creating the debate at Articles for deletion/First Lutheran Church (Winthrop, Minnesota). Otherwise, the redlink throws an error and the AFD tag gets removed from the article and the log. Thanks! UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 15:40, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I have no idea how to do that. Twinkle usually does it for me. No idea why it didn't this time. How do I fix it? John from Idegon (talk) 16:20, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Follow WP:AFDHOWTO - or, remove the tag and try Twinkle again. ansh 666 18:13, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks to you both. Fixed. John from Idegon (talk) 20:16, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

May 2016
John, please help me understand why you are intent on removing the word "affluent" from this one particular page. It appears on any number of similar pages for cities across the country. Either you are 1. systematically removing this from all pages across wikipedia, or 2. read an article about the "bay boys" and decided to make this your mission. I promise you, nothing you do here is going to change anything about your life or mine. God bless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.225.8.6 (talk) 03:10, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * In case you didn't notice, I edit far more than one page. The evidence of that is all over this page which for some quizzical reason you stuck your vague question in the middle of. New threads go at the bottom of a talk page. You need to sign any talk page communication by typing four tildes ( ~ ) at the end of it. If you care to clarify your question, I'll be happy to explain. In general, "affluent" is PUFFERY. As there is no defined level at which someone becomes affluent (indeed when talking about a community, there isn't even an agreed upon metric, much less a level), the term conveys no factual information and mearly serves to make a place sound better. In the last month I have reverted the use of the term from the lede of at least 20 articles. There is a recent RfC at WikiProject Cities which showed a consensus to remove the term (and also poor) from the lede of every settlement article world wide. It should be noted that affluent in a lede occurs roughly 15 times more frequently than poor does. It flies in the face of logic that there are 15 times more affluent communities than there are poor communities, which tends to lend credence to the puffery arguement. John from Idegon (talk) 04:05, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Move of Tidewater School to Seacoast Waldorf School failed
Seems the move you made effectively deleted the article about this school. Was that because of the move error? Your edit description seems a bit enigmatic "Redirect to the community per outcomes and guidelines". Did you not notice that the move failed? --EPadmirateur (talk) 22:58, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The move did not fail. I moved it and then redirected it to the community per WP:SCH/AG and WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. Elementary schools do not qualify for articles on Wikipedia, although even calling this an elementary school seems a stretch. If you disagree, you are welcome to restore the article by undoing the edit I made to redirect it. However, if you do that I will take it to AfD and since its status as even an elementary school is dubious I will most likely argue for deletion as opposed to redirect. John from Idegon (talk) 23:21, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Ardrey Kell High School
Care to comment on this one? A viral video from a school event. Meters (talk) 18:07, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 May 2016
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Utopia, Georgia
Hello, phil jones here. Not tech savvy at all. Please help me. First, thank you for looking into Utopia, Georgia in Berrien County. I have no idea how to interpret the lingo used between you and magnolia and one other user concerning finding Utopia using google or other sources. I assure you it exists. Please go to Berrien County Georgia historical photos. I think it is on the Berrien County GA Wikipedia page. Search there under the title town and communities in current Berrien County. There is a special page for Utopia. Forty four years later, I am still trying to achieve acknowledgement for the community and I don't even live there anymore. You might even contact me at ptrain8@yahoo. How many communities in the U S were established by 15 year olds? Here is one. I am always happy to discuss the area with anyone. In the 70s, Utopia was recognized by the local TV, as well as the Atlanta and Jacksonville, FL newspapers. One of your correspondents mentioned finding Utopia Circle. YES!!! This is one of the main streets of the community. The others are Nashville-Enigma Rd, and Griner Cemetery Road. There are approximately 40 houses and 105 residents. Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.129.159.176 (talk) 03:58, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Charlotte, North Carolina
May I ask on what criterion my paragraph about parks, zoos, and aquariums was removed from the article.--Toploftical (talk) 23:03, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:NPOV. John from Idegon (talk) 23:14, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I have read the NPOV page. May I ask what part of that page is relevant to the revert.  Perhaps I can fix it.  BTW, none of this is my opinion.  I just quoted the The Trust for Public Land.  I consciously tried to balance the their negative review by including positive information about new parks--Toploftical (talk) 23:46, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Adding info question
Hi. I tried to add info onto Mike Mills bio but it says I am not following policy. The info I have is from his Twitter account. How do I add that? Wynn Westmoreland (talk) 05:11, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You don't. His favorite baseball team is not encyclopedic information. Encyclopedias are tertiary sources. That means that unless a reliable source has reported on his favorite baseball team, we cannot use the information. We should not use the information even with reliable sourcing because it is so trivial as to be absurd. How does it matter what baseball team is any notable persons favorite, with the possible exception of a baseball player? Perhaps you should read WP:NOTFACEBOOK. John from Idegon (talk) 05:21, 30 May 2016 (UTC)