User talk:John from Idegon/Archive 61

Parkway West Notable Alumni Edit
Hi John. Your deletion of my addition to the Parkway West Notable Alumni section of Mark Neely said it was due to "no references to attendance either here or in bio". The existing Wikipedia bio listing for Mr. Neely Mark Neely mentions his attendance of Parkway West in his personal info section along with a couple of other broadcasters also on the list. Does this help meet your criteria? Thanks for your help.

Radstuff1Radstuff1 (talk) 15:24, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * No. Wikipedia cannot be a reference to itself. If there had been a reference to his attendance in his bio, as I noted, I wouldn't have reverted it. You need a reliable source showing his attendance at the school. Please note classmates.com is not a reliable source, nor is IMDb. John from Idegon (talk) 15:31, 28 February 2017 (UTC)  Oops. Forgot to ping you, . Thanks for your enquiry. John from Idegon (talk) 16:49, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Lake Angelus
Regarding your reversion of my edits to Lake Angelus, I argue that it is neither trivial information nor something that requires an inline reference to merely exist on the pages. It is information one can verify with a street walk in Google Maps, so, per the citation policy you linked to me, it is unlikely to be challenged reasonably. At the same time, it would be unreasonable to require a link to every single road leading to the lake's shore, and I'm not sure of any other way to provide such a citation. But, most importantly, the presence of that information on that page would prevent people like myself from riding all the way around the lake and accidentally through people's yards in search of a way to the shore. Lethargilistic (talk) 16:26, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, . Thanks for your enquiry. You are new and there is a lot to learn in editing Wikipedia. The fundamental nature of an encyclopedia is we do not write about a given subject; we write about what is written about a given subject. In other words, if you cannot produce a reliable source that discusses the fact that all the riparian rights on the lake are privately held, you cannot include it in the article. What you described above would involve you looking at sources and interpreting what they show. That's called original research and we do not allow that. Finding a source that discusses the private riparian rights would also allow you to expand what you were saying to include why it's important. Just an FYI for you: It's not all that unusual. Roughly 25% of the navigable lakes in Michigan have no public access. With a reliable secondary source such as a newspaper or magazine article,  I would not oppose inclusion of an expanded version of your addition on the lake's article.  Unless your source (and hence your copy) illustrated that it was an ongoing issue for the city, I would oppose any inclusion of that info in the city article. Hope this helps. I'm always happy to help a newcomer. John from Idegon (talk) 17:02, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

"affluent"
Hello. You weighed in on this discussion awhile ago. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sherman_Oaks,_Los_Angeles#Affluence). The word "affluent" has not returned to the Sherman Oaks page, but over on the West Hills, Los Angeles page, it has was recently added, then deleted (with a reference to the Sherman Oaks discussion) and has now been reinserted again by the same user. I am relatively new to all this, but is this how wikipedia is supposed to work? Phatblackmama (talk) 00:54, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm having a similar problem on a community in New York. Technically a community concensus is supposed to be respected. Practically, it doesn't work that way always. I'll go visit West Hills and check it out. My opposition in New York is a widely known editor and I was considering letting it go, but your message has encouraged me to not do that. Thanks, . John from Idegon (talk) 02:27, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you, John from Idegon. With this user, it is like playing a game of "whack a mole".  Here in Vermont Square, Los Angeles, he inserted the phrase "low income" into the lead, with the explanation that he was putting it in "to maintain a consistent style"  (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vermont_Square,_Los_Angeles&diff=prev&oldid=763177150).  It was deleted.  Of course, he reinserted it.  Regarding his explanation: the only "consistent style" is his constant introduction of these sorts of phrases into a number of Los Angeles neighborhood articles, despite obvious disagreement.  Can anything be done, or does this have to be fought on every single neighborhood page?  I appreciate any insight you can give me.  Phatblackmama (talk) 18:04, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello John from Idegon. As quickly as you deleted it, he added it back.  A year ago, he was told by an administrator to stop this kind of behavior (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:BeenAroundAWhile#Edit-warring_on_articles_about_districts_of_Los_Angeles).  Does persistence trump consensus? Can anything be done?  Phatblackmama (talk) 19:01, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll leave him a note on his talk page. I'm not an administrator, but in the note, I'll ping the admin that warned him. If that doesn't work, you will need to take him to WP:ANI.  I'm sorry, but I'm too busy IRL to deal with making an ANI report.  If that does happen, just state your case without emotion in your words and provide diffs of where you have talked to him (and Others have warned him), along with diffs of where he has added it and more importantly, re-added it after it was removed. Also link the RfC, which he started, as evidence of editing against concensus which he was quite aware of.  It's here.  Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 19:29, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello John from Idegon. I just posted on the West Hills, Los Angeles talk page.  I remain dumbfounded.  He refuses to understand how judgemental words like affluent, high-income or, particularly,  low-come are.  Especially when in the opening statement.  Read the lead he wrote for South Park, Los Angeles.  Why would someone write about low marriage rates, low-come, and low graduation rates in the lead!  How is that, per wikipedia's manual of style, neutral in tone?  Anyway, I wanted to let you know I posted.  I am sure he will respond.  Phatblackmama (talk) 02:01, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Regarding Clayton Valley
I believe that I need clarity as to your issue with the section. According to my understand, you are saying that it meets WP:NOTNEWS (at least as I understand it) and does not belong on the article. I am curious as to the exact issue as it does not qualify under the sections for 'original reporting' nor 'who's who'. That leaves the sections of 'news reports' and 'a diary'. Regarding the 'news reports' section, it seems clear that this is not just routine news, but an incident that occurred at a school and the reaction of its staff. Regarding the 'a diary' section, even if that might be a stretch to guess would be the issue, the event of the suspensions seem to be more significant than ordinary suspensions regarding the number of suspensions issued and how a student would incur a suspension. While I doubt that this will clear up everything, I do hope that this can lead to some sort of middle ground in understand. --Super Goku V (talk) 05:53, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I would suggest you start a discussion on the article talk page. If you have sources showing this event has been the subject of widespread enduring coverage, use them to argue for inclusion. Since this event occurred recently, we cannot possibly have the perspective to understand their implications. If in a year or two, the view back shows this was important, we can add a much briefer bit to the history section. I generally oppose including current events in school articles as they are seldom as important as they seem at the time. Cannot see why this would be any different. John from Idegon (talk) 06:45, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Charles E. Smith Jewish Day School
Hello. You reverted six edits on the Charles E. Smith Jewish Day School page with the message "Provide reliable independent sources for your additions".

The sources cited were from newspapers and other periodicals (The Washington Post, Washington City Paper, Washington Jewish Week, and Forward), and an independently published book ('Great Lives from History: Jewish Americans).

Kindly explain why these are not reliable independent sources.

Thank you.

~ Quacks Like a Duck (talk) 12:53, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * undid. John from Idegon (talk) 22:37, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. ~ Quacks Like a Duck (talk) 16:12, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

SH
This is such a waste of time, really why bother. If you're a deletionist like that you can probably delete half the encyclopedia under Burden, but you'll be wasting everyone's time. The content is verifiable, so you had no right to delete it. In other words, this system is messed up. ɱ (talk) · vbm  · coi) 19:22, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Verifiability is not the only concern for article content. "In pop culture" sections are for the most part nothing but useless trivia, and this particular entry is no exception.  The fact that some screenwriter decided to give a fictional character this community as a home town tells the reader absolutely nothing about the town.  You didn't add the content originally.  I am at a loss for why you want to promote trivial garbage such as this. John from Idegon (talk) 22:37, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * You may have the opinion that 'pop culture' sections aren't worthwhile, but I'm not familiar with a policy against it. And this is a filming location, not a setting of the show; your comment above seems to say it's a setting. Anyway, uses of an area, municipality, or building for filming is common and quite interesting here and throughout Wikipedia. You also removed two notable residents, which isn't "trivial garbage" either. ɱ  (talk) · vbm  · coi) 02:24, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The notables had no sourcing as to residence. And there is either an essay or guideline, not sure which, on pop culture sections. I will look for it when I have some time. John from Idegon (talk) 02:27, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Large pop culture sections exist in FAs, which I look to even more than guidelines to be honest. Yes the notable people also had no sources but please read my first comment here. ɱ  (talk) · vbm  · coi) 02:50, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Crossgates Mall
There is no current consensus on the facts you reverted. MarketMartha (talk) 19:32, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Untrue. There is long standing consensus.  Scr ★ pIron IV 19:36, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

You mean not true right? Unless you're untrue... :) MarketMartha (talk) 19:54, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Look it up. Your selected definition is the secondary definition.
 * un·true ˌənˈtro͞o 1. not in accordance with fact or reality; false or incorrect. "these suggestions are totally untrue"
 * synonyms:	false, untruthful, fabricated, made up, invented, concocted, trumped up


 *  Scr ★ pIron IV 20:26, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Seemed to be a consensus. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:37, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Take this off my talk page and to the article talk page please. John from Idegon (talk) 22:33, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Fort Hunt High School reversions
Reading through the innumerable complaints about you on your talk page above, John, I had to shake my head. "Your deletion of my addition..." "Regarding your reversion of my edits..." "You reverted six edits..." "If you're a deletionist like that you can..." I have been editing professionally for over 34 years. My additions to the "Fort Hunt High School" article were short, factual, and sourced. I can't spend my life battling your senseless reversions. Life is too short for such mediocrity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christian B Martin (talk • contribs) 06:07, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Sign your postings. Bye. John from Idegon (talk) 06:13, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for informing me of the regulations, I was unaware and edited the post to the wiki project of Oregon.Pittsburghangelsforever (talk) 23:22, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Duncans Mills, California
Do you know of an editor who is good at adding climate charts? The chart at Duncans Mills, California needs a fix. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:35, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Off the top of my head, the only one I can think of is . John from Idegon (talk) 22:51, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll ask. I found some wonderful old photos of Sonoma County, California and have been cleaning the articles I add photos to.  Thanks.  Magnolia677 (talk) 23:15, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Threatened block
As a courtesy, I wanted to let you know I responded to your comments on Talk:The Hill School and replied to your threat on my talk page. I also requested administrative assistance on my talk page. (The tip of the day on your user page was very helpful, thanks, I didn't know that template existed.) When an editor of the stature of Alansohn says of your actions: "This is bullying, plain and simple." and calls your words "patently false claims", perhaps you should reconsider whether you are really in the right on this. I hope this isn't your usual way.Enon (talk) 03:27, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Marsha Music
Hi, I started the page on Marsha Music as proposed by the organisers of the Art+Feminism annual editathon. She was vetted and highly recommended to have a page established as she is a very prominent figure in the Detroit art and music scene. The page was started just a few days ago mostly with me learning the technical side of editing on this format, so I hadn't had time to add bulk to the content yet. I'm hoping more other contributors will add to the page soon, too. She definitely passed the test regarding notoriety to have one, so please don't delete the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tleeditor (talk • contribs) 08:57, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * It's nominated for deletion. The community will discuss the notability issues and decide whether or not the article will be kept.  You want to make your arguments at Articles for deletion/Marsha Music.  Those arguments will need to address the concerns stated in the nominations.  Your words here do not do that. John from Idegon (talk) 16:53, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Bad AFD close!!!
No real complaint :-) Mind modifying the close for Norwalk high school?  A page-history check shows that the VFD was filed for Norwalk High School (Connecticut), e.g. this edit, so I'm just wondering if you'd replace your "that I believe" comment with a link to the current article title.  Nyttend (talk) 19:55, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I'm not familiar with the term "VFD". The link on the AfD leads to a spelling error redirect to the DAB page for Norwalk High School. That being said, rather than taking the time to explain a situation that is rather unique, how about I just authorize you to change the close? Happy travels and may you be in heaven a half hour before the devil realizes your dead. John from Idegon (talk) 20:25, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure, that's fine; I've done it. VFD = Votes for Deletion, the old name for AFD, as it was renamed a year after this deletion discussion happened; look at the table of contents at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Archive 31 and see how the sections gradually change from "VFD" to "AFD".  Back in 2010, SmackBot moved most (but not quite all; occasional ones still get found by accident) of the VFD subpages to become AFD subpages, as you can see with the latest edit to Articles for deletion/Text Ode for the birthday of Queen Anne.  I just misunderstood and thought that you'd been here long enough that you'd remember VFD or remember about it, but now I see that you've only been here since 2012; I wouldn't have confused you if I'd remembered rightly.  Nyttend (talk) 23:12, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: NewVenture Games
Hello John from Idegon. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of NewVenture Games, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''an article that existed for 8 years might be suitable for inclusion (per WP:SILENCE) and thus A7 should not be used. AfD is the correct way to go.''' Thank you.  So Why  14:14, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Jerry McKenna edits
Hi John!

I'm working with Jerry to make some changes to his page. He wanted to do the edits himself, but doesn't seem to have the feel for it. Can you give me a little more info on the removal of the last four edits he made? I don't want to redo the changes if they're going to get turned back again.

Thanks!

Jenn Johnson (talk) 14:30, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

DMI College of Engineering
Hi John from Idegon. Would you mind taking a peek at DMI College of Engineering? I'm asking you since you are one of the coordinators of WP:WPSCHOOLS. Is it common for there to be sections listing departments/department heads and degrees? It seems a bit of WP:NOTDIRECTORY to me, but not sure. I thought about removing it as unsourced, but that content makes up a good portion of the article. It's also seems like content which might be a bit time sensitive, especially with respect to the names of the professors. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:24, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll look, but that actually should be under Wikiproject Universities. We do secondary schools, not institutions of higher education. John from Idegon (talk) 00:35, 23 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I would say that should go. For WP:WPSCH, we endorse a historic list of the heads of the whole school, but decline completely the naming of any staff.  Not 100% on whether it is the same for universities.  As a matter of fact, I'm not 100% convinced this is even notable, but then again, I'm kinda a hard sell on that especially for commercial schools.  Lots of MOS issues, and it seems pretty promo. John from Idegon (talk) 00:51, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking a look. Sorry for the mixing up WPSCHS and WP:UNI. FWIW, there may be other concerns since the creator was indefinitely blocked and looks to be still editing the article. I've asked an admin about the latter, but I thought WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES meant all universities where considered pretty much inherently notable. Anyway, I've asked about it at WT:UNI. Thanks again for the clarification. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:01, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * It's my understanding that SCHOOLOUTCOMES only applied to our articles, and there was a recent RfC that limited that. But I may be wrong. The only place you find people that are certain about Wiki policy is in the delusional ward at the psych hospital. John from Idegon (talk) 01:11, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Reversion?
You, or a Twinkle you run, reverted an edit I made to East Lansing High School to add Robert Neller who currently serves as the 37th Commandant of the Marine Corps. The reason given for the reversion was, "Provide a source for attendance." I have several problems with this:
 * The list of Notable alumni contains 28 people, of which 67% do not have a "source for attendance."
 * All of the listed alumni have Wikipedia articles, and so does Neller.
 * His Wikipedia article clearly states that he is a native of East Lansing, and does so without a source.
 * As a general rule, an editor should tag an item as needing a reference, not remove it. If you tag it, then any reader can see the tag and hunt down a reference. Your method removes information from Wikipedia without a trace, and deprives the community of the chance to fix the problem.
 * You sent me nothing, so I was unaware of your deletion of my contribution, and thus unable to fix the reference problem.
 * I did a search for "Robert Neller named commandant" using Google. The first two hits were for Wikipedia articles. The third hit has a short first paragraph, and this as the opening of the second paragraph, "Neller is from East Lansing, Michigan, and graduated from East Lansing High School in 1971." It took me 10 seconds to find. As an editor with a huge number of edits, you could have just found the reference and put it in, instead of deleting.

I will note that I too am a long term editor with thousands of edits. I am trying to maintain the "assumption of good will" but this deletion really bothers me. Nick Beeson (talk) 20:49, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
 * An aside: My sister was born in East Lansing in the same year as Neller, and remembers him as a classmate. Neller was a freshman when I was a junior. I know that he attended East Lansing High School, but that would be original research.
 * If there had been a reference in his bio, I wouldn't have removed it. He's a living person so BLP policy applies. And frankly I find it very tiresome getting blamed for something others are too lazy to do right. If it bothers you to have your additions reverted, don't add unsourced facts. If that bothers you I couldn't care less. Add a source for his attendance when you replace it. Wikipedia is worthless without sources. John from Idegon (talk) 22:40, 24 March 2017 (UTC)


 * My being tagged as engaging in a edit war at this point seems extreme to me. When I removed the tag the first time, I posted a comment on the Talk Page, as per the consensus guidelines. It seems to me that before you reverted my edit, it was incumbent on you to respectfully respond to my comments. Your response, "very simply you are wrong", seems to me to be far from respectful, and far from "seeking consensus". If either of us is edit warring, which I doubt, it is you for your first revert of my edit without consensus on the Talk Page.
 * I believe the only mistake I made was to think that you posted the tag using a bot. I now know that to be incorrect. I apologize for that mistake.
 * I have zero desire to engage you in anything but respectful dialog.Nick Beeson (talk) 16:25, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Field Museum
Yeah, over the top :) But ... well, don't you agree ? Sixty years free, then it goes 5 10 15 20 25 in less than ten ? Greedy bastards :( 116.231.75.122 (talk) 13:53, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Your opinions, and mine, have no place here. If you can find a newspaper article that discusses the admission cost increases, you can cite and paraphrase that (note I said article, not editorial). Obviously, your an old timer as you referred to the MS & I as the Field Museum, and I too fondly remember going there and wandering around any time I wanted....but as I said above, that's all quite irrelevant in an encyclopedia. Coke used to be a nickel too. John from Idegon (talk) 14:25, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Since you don't believe me. Here are your most valuable sources...
I have lived in Tallahassee for over two years. I don't spout out information just for the hell of it. These are links to businesses and government related websites that CLEARLY show the nickname "TALLY" in use either in the name or website url. Google is really your best friend. Let me know if you need any more SOURCES sir

http://tallyawards.com/

http://www.talgov.com/main/digitally.aspx   This is the city of Tallahassee's website on on of their apps named digiTALLY. Just so you know.

https://www.renttally.com/

http://veteventstally.org/

https://www.facebook.com/Cigarsoftally/

http://www.tallysquareapartments.com/

http://www.tallyconnection.com/

https://www.tallyrockgym.com/

http://fun4tallykids.com/

http://tallyshorts.com/about/

http://tallypavilion.com/

http://www.tallyindoorshooting.com/

http://www.goldsgymtally.com/

Must be a great school system
We should send our kids to this school Talk:Kingsway Regional School District. A great student:teacher ratio. Have you seen similar NCES data errors? Meters (talk) 05:49, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Weird. The schools in the district seem to have normal stats. It seems to me that there is something weird about New Jersey's school administration. Have you checked other Jersey districts? I really don't understand it at all. Perhaps there are 6 students that are schooled somewhere other than in a school? (Homebound due to health or criminal restrictions, eg). I have a self imposed topic ban on New Jersey as you may recall. Perhaps you can find a better source at the state DOE. John from Idegon (talk) 21:12, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, wasn't aware you were staying away from New Jersey. Most of the other NJ school districts have reasonable numbers (100's to 10,000's of students), although there are a few that are similarly messed up. As you say, the individual schools for this district still show as having the appropriate numbers so I can extract the district numbers from teh school summary page https://nces.ed.gov/ccd/schoolsearch/school_list.asp?Search=1&DistrictID=3407980 (if I trust it). Meters (talk) 03:58, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Rockhurst High School
You might want to take a look at this one. How much coverage of spiritual and service matters is appropriate in religious private school articles? Meters (talk) 20:46, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Wow.


 * 1) The titles and post nominals all need to go.
 * 2) The nobody who was the first graduate needs to go.
 * 3) The North Central Association accreditation needs to be currently sourced to AdvancED or go away. I've seen that lots and do not get it. Who actually thinks that an old citation to accreditation is useful? Kinda like a thirty year old woman telling you she was a virgin at 12. So what?
 * 4) Everything below history and above athletics is just junk.
 * 5) During the long debate on whether to allow less than championship achievement, one big point was that schools with numerous championship achievement do not need to discuss less than championship achievement. The table should be replaced with a listing (or table, but my preference would be list for ease of editing) of just championships, or a combined list of sports offered and championships.
 * 6) The subsection on football is completely unencyclopedic and the vanity article on the football team should be AfD or boldly redirected.


 * I'm on low speed data til after next weekend, so I'm not undertaking any big edits at the moment. If you haven't taken the thresher to it by then, I'll get at it. PS. Your comments would be helpful at the talk page for Tallahassee.  John from Idegon (talk) 21:30, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Pretty much my take on it but I'm going to bring it up on the talk page and wait a bit since dealing with the athletic letter issue alone resulted in ownership issues, an edit war, and a long talk page thread. Most of this was added recently by a retired Jesuit who has been working on a number of articles. Have not checked yet but possibly more of the same in other articles.


 * Tallahassee was on my list to look at again tonight. Meters (talk) 04:10, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
 * It's not clear to me how the accreditation should be listed. Do we just list it as AdvancED or do we list it as Commission on Accreditation and School Improvement (CASI)? The AdvancED page just say "accredited" http://www.advanc-ed.org/oasis2/u/par/accreditation/summary?institutionId=21940 but my understanding is that high schools are handled by CASI. Meters (talk) 04:54, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
 * It is confusing. Schools are supposed to be the domain of the states, not the federal government. The No Child Left Behind that changed that slightly. If the kids at X school don't make the standard marks on the standard tests, the states are forced under threat of loss of federal funds to take some remedial actions. It really does not affect accreditation, which is the right to grant a legal diploma.  The states grant that right. However, the common meaning of accreditation in the US is that a school has passed the inspection of one of the regional independent accreditation agencies, of which North Central is one. That data is gathered and hosted by a company called AdvancED. Accreditation is not required and only roughly 35% of US schools are accredited. Students with diplomas from an accredited school will rank higher on admission scoring at selective universities. Be glad you live in Canada.  The politicians haven't ruined the school's there (yet). John from Idegon (talk) 05:10, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

And with all that verbiage, I didn't answer your question. The accreditation field should include the wikilink to the accreditation agency (North Central), with a reference to AdvancED for verification. John from Idegon (talk) 05:17, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I will take care of it tomorrow. I'm done for tonight. (And I'm astonished to see the stats on US accreditation. You are right about Canadian school accreditation. I had occasion to contact the provincial body concerning the accreditation of a local, short-lived Sudbury-model school I had never heard of and the response was that the supposed school had never been an accredited school. Instead it was listed as nothing but a private tutoring service. Apparently the parents of the students were officially homeschooling their kids, and in effect were sending them to this school "under the table".
 * I'm writing an article on an interesting and unusual high school. It's the first sports oriented school in Canada (I believe). The staff is full of teachers with both education and phys ed degrees, and many of them have professional or national team sports playing or coaching experience. It partners with various sports academies (and a ballet school) and provides special workload and class time accommodations for provincial, national and international caliber athletes. Meters (talk) 06:50, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Per https://www.hlcommission.org/About-the-Commission/about-hlc.html since July 2014 the North Central Association is no more. NCA accreditation should now be listed as Higher Learning Commission accreditation. Meters (talk) 02:00, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

List of atheist authors
I'm a month late in asking this, but what about T.J. Kirk is non-notable? He is basically synonymous with YouTube/online Atheism.

LaunchOctopus (talk) 21:53, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


 * When you make an edit on Wikipedia, you are supposed to leave an edit summary, which I did. Since you knew I made the edit, you had to have seen the edit summary. That's your explanation. John from Idegon (talk) 16:40, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Heritage High School
Hey why did you erase the section on class mascots? There are actually class mascots it's what makes Heritage unique from other schools out there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:C0C0:5410:14B2:1C6D:285E:9E3A (talk) 16:21, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * There are numerous schools named Heritage High School in the U.S. As this note is the only edit the IP you are using has ever made, I have no idea what you are talking about. John from Idegon (talk) 16:33, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Was Erik Weisz a Hungarian?
I maintain that it is inaccurate, on the Harry Houdini wikipedia page, to claim that Erik Weisz was a "Hungarian-American." In fact, his ethnicity was Jewish, and he spoke German as was normal for anyone born in the Austro-Hungarian Empire. To refer to him as German would be like referring to a German person who happened to be born in the French portion of the Euro Zone. Calling such a person French would be wholly inaccurate, even if he happened to learn French as a result of growing up in France. However, John has reverted my attempt to identify him as German, despite his 100% German birth name. In the absence of identifying him as German, I attempted to label Erik by his ethnicity, which was Jewish. The fact that his father was the leader of a synagogue is ample evidence of that. But John has reverted even this, insisting on a fictional Magyar identity. Bucksburg (talk) 16:47, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Discuss content on the article talk page, not here. And provide sources supporting your position. No one cares what either you or I think the truth is. All that matters are sources. John from Idegon (talk) 16:50, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * He can't be of Hungarian descent/origin and Jewish? False exclusion, False choice IMO.  And it says that in the article in many ways.
 * I agree, if you are going to raise this it belongs on the talk page. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 16:52, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

I would like to discuss this on the proper page, but none of the tutorials seem to give instructions on how to get to the proper talk page. I have been editing Wikipedia for over a decade, but I've yet to figure out how to defend my edits in the proper way. Can someone give me a link? Bucksburg (talk) 19:13, 30 March 2017 (UTC) WP:CIR. John from Idegon (talk) 19:19, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Hattiesbug, Mississippi
Hi, I responded to your notice that you posted on my talk page, but you never responded. The request still showed as open, that's why I reassessed it and it was actually previously classed as a start article and I upgraded it to a C, I don't remember giving it a B. I marked as done on WikiProject United States/Assessment/Requests, I don't know why it won't transclude correctly. Sorry, for any confusion. ThatGirlTayler (talk) 18:14, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I left a note about the issue at the project's talk page, and I did leave you a note about it on your talk. Page history clearly shows you changed it to B, but no biggie. Keep up the good work. It's refreshing to see a new editor working hard on gnomish tasks. Thanks for your efforts! John from Idegon (talk) 18:55, 30 March 2017 (UTC)