User talk:John from Idegon/Archive 63

RE: Fennville High School
I Regret To Inform You The Data I Had Added/Changed Is The Current Information That Is To The School as found on the school's site and working at the school. I Wish To Have The Information That I Had Posted To The Page Restored. Cites will be added once restored (When I Updated Info It Was Late).

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fennvillegeek (talk • contribs) 21:57, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

The only information that you changed that could be cited to the school, the address, was correct prior to your change. We do not list staff other than the principal and statistics and accomplishments need citations totally independent of the school. Please sign any future talk page postings by typing four tildes. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 22:02, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Clayton, Missouri
Hi - thanks for your work. Since "Notable people" is the new consensus, you could have changed the header I added, if that was the only problem. Kevin Kline and Jon Hamm were already noted in the city article as residents of Clayton while growing up, in the Davis Place neighborhood noted. Since this was not sourced in the original, why didn't you delete them after reverting my changes? I have now deleted them.Parkwells (talk) 02:08, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I was just patrolling changes. Thanks for removing the other. John from Idegon (talk) 02:50, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

St. Theodore Guerin High School
Concerns about your recent edits to the page. You are reverting edits which make the page not be in proper english, removing the school's mantra off the page, and taking off information about the school's rivalries. Quite frankly, I'm extremely disappointed with your behavior and actions as an editor on this page.

Thanks,

Dr. Thomas P. Connelly — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tdawg25 (talk • contribs)
 * Hi, Tom. I believe you may have the wrong impression of what the article titled St. Theodore Guerin High School is. This isn't Facebook. The article in question in no way belongs to, nor is it for, the school. If you spent enough time in college to earn a PhD, you certainly should know that encyclopedias are by definition tertiary sources. So please add secondary sources that actually specifically discuss a rivalry between Guerin and some other school. As far as a mantra goes, I am willing to bet that has no coverage in independent sources, and there is nothing in the school article guidelines about including manrtas. Any content disputes belong on the article's talk page. You fallacious accusation of poor behavior did belong here. I've noted it and filed it in the proper file - the cylindrical one that sits on the floor. I doubt you are who you are claiming to be as your grammar is more appropriate for a high school student than a man with a post graduate degree. This isn't the first time I've encountered some misguided child trying to impersonate an advanced degree with the misguided notion that somehow that gives them authority to force edits into a Wikipedia article. You should make yourself familiar with our policies on conflict of interest and PAID editing. Thanks for your concern. John from Idegon (talk) 16:27, 5 May 2017 (UTC), Co-coordinator, Wikiproject Schools

John, what concerns me about the article titled St. Theodore Guerin High School is we have an individual in yourself making edits who seems to be incompetent. I actually laugh when you call my grammar "more appropriate for a high school student." As proof from your message above your grammar is atrocious. For example, you ended your first sentence with a preposition ("is") and further down in the paragraph you misspelled the word "mantras." Also, the edit I made in the 'Clubs and activities' section in the article St. Theodore Guerin High School, which you kept reverting, was to make a sentence past tense. The speaker, Chris Herren, came to speak to the the student body over 5 years ago and the sentence in the article is grammatically incorrect.

It's very unfortunate that people in this world have to deal with individuals like yourself. What gives you the right to question my degree and make false accusations about my identity? Are you the only person allowed to revert and make edits on wikipedia? Or do you just have too much time on your hands (and probably no social life), so you patrol different articles all day and night making edits to pages, which you think are correct?

What's sad is that you probably think you are making huge beneficial impacts to articles with your edits, but in all reality you are doing something that quite frankly most people could care less about. Personally, I think it would be great if you quit being a wiki editor, but in all reality it's probably the only thing that gives you meaning in the sad little thing called your life. Honestly, this is an awful thing to say, but I truly hope nothing but the worse for you because society, specifically wikipedia, would benefit greatly if father time catches up to you sooner rather than later.

Lastly, I don't have time in my life to argue on the internet with some ninny, especially over some pointless article. However, I did indeed spend enough time in college to earn a PhD and I would like you to address me moving forward with the title Doctor. Also, I go by Thomas, not Tom. Please show respect.

Thanks,

Dr. Thomas P. Connelly — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.119.135.253 (talk)
 * Tom, your title means nothing here. Your vague complaints are equally meaningless. I could care less about what you do IRL, but you completely lack competence here. If you have a concern about the content of the article, address that complaint specifically on the article's talk page. Remember to sign in when you edit and please sign your postings on the article talk page by typing four tildes. I'll thank you not to post here again as your comments are not constructive. John from Idegon (talk) 19:30, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Monroeville, Alabama
Hi John, I notice that you seem to have interpreted the idea of undue weight in order to support your own personal preference regarding the structure of "place" articles.

The section you removed relates to the cultural life of the town, is referenced, and highly relavent to the article. The topic itself is too small to justify a page of its own, but not obscure enough to not be mentioned.

This is not intended to be a personal attack, but it is important to highlight that rather than your edit being based in Wikipedia "policy" - it is a personal interpretation of the guidelines, and in this instance detracts from the article. Dave (talk) 01:45, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

I have incorporated the the text into a standard arts and culture section, with added refs. Dave (talk) 10:50, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Cleveland High School (Cleveland, Mississippi)
Hi John. I know you're very good with school articles. Hopefully you can help with Cleveland High School (Cleveland, Mississippi). The school is restructuring following a court ruling. An editor today attempted to update this by changing the date the school was established and so forth. I'm not sure they went about the update right way but I don't want to revert it yet. Could you have a look? Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 15:39, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Does the other school have an article? If it does, my suggestion would be to wrap up the two historic school articles as closed with a brief mention of the court case and start a new article for the merged school, covering the court case in the new article. Please note that others may disagree with me. Obviously this stuff has been covered in the press somewhere and those sources would be better than an aggregator. The school is the institution not the building. John from Idegon (talk) 16:14, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I just saw this. Thanks for the input.  I'll work on it tomorrow.  Cheers.  Magnolia677 (talk) 23:05, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Mary Nolan
I have taken a screen shot of your latest talk comments with Stevie is the man! Did you really think I wouldn't see that he referred to this topic as: FWOMPT = "a fucking waste of my precious time." And you had no problem with that?

Woooooooow. So you think you've "reported" ME - do you John? I will be more than happy to "report" (i.e. expose) both of your incredibly callous attitudes towards a topic of critical importance to those of us with a moral conscious - the physical abuse of young women - as an f-ing waste of time...? Who cares about Wikipedia. You two should be reported in a way more open format.

Any further attempts on either of your parts to silence a voice for victims of domestic violence is gonna backfire on you big time because YOU ARE COMPLETELY ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ISSUE.
 * Do not post here again. Who the fuck do you think you are to tell me what side of any issue I need to be on? That of course assumes there is an issue, which is only in your messed up head. This is an encyclopedia, fool. We report on what reliable sources have written. In all your rants, I have yet to see a source. Stevie's characterization seems spot on. Bye. John from Idegon (talk) 08:42, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

ANI
Sorry about that. I was trying to move the archive close to the bottom, and apparently RiB modified it in the interim, so it looked like I added the comment back in, when all I did was move it up. Timothy Joseph Wood 20:49, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Redacted, cause I need to learn to read. John from Idegon (talk) 21:01, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Um, John? Wrong "Joseph". --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:04, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * OMG. Sorry.....I'll be removing that now., imma dumbass. I'll modify it and post it on the user's talk page. But if either of you want to add the aforementioned list article to your watchlist, I'd appreciate it. John from Idegon (talk) 21:10, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Meetup Invitation
You are invited to the upcoming Asian Pacific American Heritage month edit-athon.

This will be held on the first floor of the Knight library at the University of Oregon.

For more information please see: Meetup/Eugene/WikiAPA, a Facebook event link is also available on the Meetup page.


 * Date: Friday, May 26, 2017
 * Time: 12:00 pm – 4:00 pm
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 * Address:1501 Kincaid Street, Eugene, Oregon, 97403-1299

Hope to see you there!
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01:39:44, 11 May 2017 review of submission by Ashalily91
Hi there, thanks for your feedback. I have supplied journals and a media source that verify Mark as introducing a major advance in the treatment of cancer to Australia, can I ask how this is any different to this article which has been approved? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Jaffra
 * Firstly, sign your posts on talk pages by typing 4 tildes at the end. This adds your username, a link to your talk page and a timestamp. Secondly, all articles stand on their own merits, but yes there are differences between the subject matter. The Canadian fellow is an academic. That is his primary notability, so to an extent, his papers that have been published do have a bearing on his notability. See WP:PROF. Your guy is a business man. Your emphasis in your writing shows that. In fact, the only independent source you've shown is to a website for a non notable award for CEOs that he was nominated for. That does nothing to show his notability as he is simply listed among about 3 dozen other people. You need to read the links you've been provided and enquire if you do not understand what the requirements are. He has to meet the notability standard WP:ANYBIO. Your sources have to be WP:RS and WP:INDY. They must be written primarily about him and discuss him in detail. You have to have more than one. The exact number depends on the quality of the sources. You referring to the subject of the article by his first name strongly implies you have some sort of relationship with him. Follow best practices for WP:COI which include declaring your conflict of interest. If you are being compensated in any way for your work here, you have been violating Wikimedia's terms of use since the first time you clicked the save button on the draft in question. You need to get straight on that first thing. See WP:PAID. John from Idegon (talk) 15:57, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

A medical radiation therapist is a medical practitioner and someone who treats cancer,I have specifically only focussed on his work as a radiation therapist, removed all business title links and business awards, and used an independant news source (The Chronicle) which states 'Chief Radiation Therapist Mark Middleton introduces trial...' to verify the impact his work had on cancer patients. I understand I need more sources on this. The source you reference 'as my only one' is linked to the image I found online and I never tried to use that to show the notability of his work as a medical radiation therapist. I just don't know how to both acknowledge the source of the photo but not have this appear in the article sources. I just have an interest in things that improved cancer lives, but thank you for your time and I will direct my further questions regarding the above links to teapot where I understand new users are shown patience and assumed good faith. Ashalily91 (talk) 03:24, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Right. Do you refer to every professional you know by their first name? I've been here many years and it isn't hard to recognize a new editor who is here to publicize someone, not to improve the encyclopedia. And it's the Teahouse, not the teapot and paid editors are ruining it for those who are here to make a better encyclopedia, not to shill for someone. John from Idegon (talk) 18:06, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Pinterest
Hi John from Idegon,

Thanks for your feedback on my contributions to the Wikipedia article on Pinterest. I wanted to add the Features and Functions section on the article. Do you have any suggestions on how to improve my work? I also I want to remove the original research tag. To do so I removed content from the section which didn't contain inline citations. I also removed content which was outdated and no longer valid. I hoping you can provide me with some helpful feedback on how to improve my contributions. If we should move this to the talk page, I'd be glad to do so. ThanksAlbinoa (talk) 18:46, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Redirect from Main Space to Draft Space
I thought that redirects from main space to draft space, or from main space to most other spaces, were WP:R2. You tagged one as housekeeping. Oh well. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:05, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * You are quite probably correct. I'll change it. Thanks. Don't do many of those. John from Idegon (talk) 01:07, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

McDowell High School
I don't understand why you keep deleting my addition of the state championships. I added 4 different citations. Your editing tools are complete crap. The format changes from what I entered. I am copying the exact citations in the box that you have "cite your sources" and it still doesn't work.

Can I just message you what I want and you can put it in? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boroxc (talk • contribs) 22:13, 17 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is what it is. It isn't mine. I left you a note on your talk page as to what the problems are. If you're still unclear, feel free to ask specific questions either of another editor or at the help forum for new users, The Teahouse. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 22:19, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

McDowell High School
I keep added the state champions, and you keep deleting it. I added citations next to each state championship, which are legitimate sources. I don't know what else to do. If it still isn't good enough, then you guys need to fix your editing system. I followed all the directions.

Also, when I go to cite, and then "heading", it does absolutely nothing. I click on it, and nothing happens.


 * You must be using the visual editor. It's a pile of junk. If you click edit source, you'll be using the traditional editing interface. The reference instructions I left you refer to that. You can disable visual editor in your preferences. Please sign your messages by typing four tilded. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 22:51, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Colon Michigan
You are questoning the reliable sources on the Colon Michigan site - i wrote The book = Colon Michigan _ Magical Village so everything in these edits come from that source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fishercolon (talk • contribs) 00:11, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * You cited a website, not a book. And since you've flat out stated your intention is to publicize something, I really have really no choice but to assume you're aim here is to publicize your book. I wouldn't suggest citing it either. If you actually did any research prior to writing your book, cite the sources you used. Wikipedia is not free advertising, either for Colon or yourself. John from Idegon (talk) 01:00, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * BTW, neither Google or Amazon has ever heard of your book. Please provide an ISBN. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 01:47, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Belated reply
Sorry that it has taken me a long time to get round to responding to your message. For family reasons over the last week I have had very little opportunity to do Wikipedia stuff. However, I have dealt with it now, and I am sure you were perfectly right. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 10:24, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . I asked Meters to review my SPI filing as I have little experience with it and he told me I had kinda bollocks it a bit. Glad you remembered. Hope your family thing was good. At my age, they usually are funerals. Be well. John from Idegon (talk) 04:15, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Ha, I wouldn't go that far. No trouting was intended. Often shortcuts at SPI are OK, but that looked to me like one where the connecting diffs would be needed. Meters (talk) 05:30, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Bryan Station High School
Hello, I would like to inform you that your unprecedented edit and removal of the updated enrollment of Bryan Station High School has been removed and reverted to my original edit. Next time, please affirm that what you are reverting the user's edit back to, (in this case the previous enrollment numbers) has a source with it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ral 33 (talk • contribs) 23:42, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Whisperback
06:23, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

School District Website
If I can find information about a particular school on a district website, which the school belongs to, would that be considered a "good" reference? Or since the school is part of the district in question, it should not be cited as such. Just looking for a best practice before doing further research at this point. Redshadowing (talk) 17:44, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * If I may...this website is always a good source. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:06, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * To directly answer your question, the school district would not be considered independent. The NCES site Magnolia677 linked is the definitive source for demographic information. That being said, if there are no other better sources available, you can use the school's or the district's websites for historical info. Just make sure you paraphrase it in a neutral manner, as school websites are frequently quite promotional in the way they portray history. Also note that any achievement or anything else that would tend to make you think "Wow" (first, best, largest or even the inverse of those - last, worst, smallest) must have independent sourcing such as a newspaper, magazine or a book. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 19:04, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * MHSAA.com would be your best source for athletes. I'm sorry but I just do not recall the website or the name of the organization that sanctions musical competition. However, I'd suggest looking at other Wikipedia articles on Michigan high schools to locate references for music and non sanctioned sports such as sailing, equestrian and rugby. Brighton has a rugby team, one of the Grosse Pointe schools has a sailing team and one of the Traverse City high schools has an equestrian team. Come back anytime. I'm a former Michigander, and I'm always glad to help someone improve a Michigan school article. John from Idegon (talk) 19:16, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * That makes sense to me. Thanks for confirming what I was thinking. I'll start looking more at Michigan schools to grab better sources. Redshadowing (talk) 20:25, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

RE: Redskins (slang) ANI
I do not understand the immediate closure of my posting regarding the conduct of another editor. His side of attempts at discussion of content are laced with insults and condescension, and when I made another try after a week of no activity waiting for response from the NPOV noticeboard, he repeated the same behavior. What am I to do?--WriterArtistDC (talk) 04:40, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Before you go to any noticeboard, with the exception of edit warring or blatant personal attacks, you are required to exhaust dispute resolution processes first. If there are only 2 of you involved, ask for a WP:30. If there are more than 2 of you, start an RFC or ask for mediation. It takes much more than impoliteness to garner a Civility violation. Pretty much, it takes a major meltdown or someone impuning ones religious or ethnic heritage. There is no deadline. And consensus rules absolutely. I have not looked at the issues and will not; not something I care in any way about. Please realize you may have to accept that your point of view will not be accepted.  John from Idegon (talk) 04:58, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Edit warring (repeated reversion/deletion of cited material) and blatant personal attacks (saying another's opinion is insane and obstructive) is what I am seeking assistance with. If misconduct must reach meltdown levels to be addressed, then it is no wonder WP has so few female editors. I am not one either, but edit WP for intellectual purposes, not to be personally insulted on any level.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 05:27, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Edit warring does not belong at ANI either. It belongs at WP:ANEW. Complaints at any noticeboard are to presented with links to the evidence. No one referred to you as insane. He stated according to you with your boldface emphasis added that one would have to be insane to believe that. Subtle but important difference. You asked why the thread was closed, even though I didn't close it and had explained in the thread why I thought it should be. I was kind enough to explain in further detail here. Please be kind enough to actually listen when someone tells you something.  I have no interest in debating the editing climate for women or anything else with you. Like I said above I couldn't give to shits in a handbasket about this, so kindly go talk to someone that cares. John from Idegon (talk) 05:43, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Mary Nolan
Hi. Yesterday I made an edit to the article Mary Nolan which you reverted stating "sources do not certify this". I saw the oldish edit war between you and IP which prompted me to see what the issue was. I originally expanded the article some time ago and am aware of what the sources state as I added them. I'd like to know what content in particular that I added is not supported by the sources. The content I rewrote is supported by the sources, I just trimmed it down and attempted to improved the grammar and eliminate the run on sentences. IMO, the present content you added back is rather poorly written and the section could be vastly improved and should be done. Your version also added back subjective wording (the "unfortunately" bit regarding the subject's career) which shouldn't be in the article. If you have time, I'd like to discuss this on the article talk page and work to improve the wording. Thank you.  Pinkadelica  (Talk)  21:44, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * My apologies. It was a knee jerk, in regard to the previous kerfuffle. This isn't an area I have any interest in, so any discussion would be pretty boring. I got involved simply because of the ridiculous attitude of the eventually blocked editor, something I sometimes wonder why I bother doing. My apologies. ...edit away. You won't have any more interference from me. Being an area I'm not active in, I didn't recognize your name. Consider me self trouted. John from Idegon (talk) 22:26, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * No problem. Have a good week.  Pinkadelica  (Talk)  04:58, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Deep Run High School
i am an editor on the deep run high wiki all information was factual and relevant not vandalism please co sider the edit before deleting — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1:f606:d35a:d4aa:e485:ee81:39a1 (talk) 1702 (UTC)


 * Moved to proper location. Will reply later. John from Idegon (talk) 21:20, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * john thanks for being available, what is the problem here is there any rules that warrant the complete removal of this edit AmishMafiso — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amishmafiso (talk • contribs) 0331 31 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi. Are you also the IP editor from earlier ? A couple overhead procedural things first: One, new threads go at the bottom of the page and should be given a header, preferably with a wikilink to the article in question. The easiest way to do this is by clicking the "new section" tab at the top of the page. Second, if you are adding to an already existing thread, your addition goes at the bottom of the thread. Each new addition should be indented one space further than the prior one by using leading colons . Third and most important, always sign your postings on talk pages (but not in articles) by typing four tildes ( ~ ) at the end. This automatically adds your username, a link to your talk page and a timestamp.


 * To answer your question, yes the addition of the information about the sexting issue violates several policies, including one of our most important ones. A little background first. The verifiability and factuality of an addition is not the sole determining factor in a particular edit's inclusion in an article. There is a pillar policy here called WP:NOT. One of the things we are not is a NEWSPAPER. In order for news type content to be included, a couple things have to be present. It must be widely (not just locally, which is all you have shown) covered and the coverage has to be enduring (which since this is a breaking story, we cannot possibly know). NOT is a general policy. For school articles, there is a widely held consensus that we try to limit our coverage to things that would be both interesting and informative to our world wide audience, and also to things that are differentiating or defining of the school to the wider audience. Unfortunately, issues revolving around sexual relations between students and staff are surprisingly commonplace. I'm editing on three separate articles about that right now this week. Another factor is we do not discuss individual achievement (either positive or negative) of individual students or staff, nor do we ever use names (except the head of the school, and any individual students or staff that have achieved a level of widespread notability such that they would qualify to have a biography on Wikipedia). I am sure to anyone involved with the school, right now this is huge. Please realize that now is now and the article is to cover the institution that is the school over the course of its entire existence. In that framework, this bit isn't a very big deal at all. I mentioned that the content you are trying to add violates on of our most important policies, that being WP:BLP our policy on how we discuss living individuals. One thing we never do is name someone who is not well known, such as the teacher in this bit, who has only been accused of a crime. We will protect his constitutional presumption of innocence. IMO, none of this belongs. You are free to disagree. However you are not free to just put it back. If you believe that content that another editor has removed should be in an article, the proper procedure is to start a discussion on the article's talk page (they work the same as an editor's talk page as far as what I discussed at the beginning of this message). In that discussion, you will try to reach a consensus with any and all interested editors on what if any to include. You do this by discussing sources, along with policies and guidelines, to try to reach a position that all can accept. If you can't agree there are several methods of dispute resolution available. Please keep in mind that under no circumstances can you mention the teacher's or the student's names. I'd mentioned previously that this isn't the only sex scandal I'm currently working on. Let me explain why I don't think we should have anything about this. In one of the other schools, the school played a role in covering it up. That made it about the school. (The staff member involved in that case has been convicted and was also notable enough for something not related to the school to have a Wikipedia biography, so some of the concerns about privacy didn't apply). In this incident, what we are talking about is the individual staff members action. There is no implication of involvement at this time by the school institution itself at all. A school is not the people who work there or the students who attend, it is the institution itself. This is at best a piece of trivia related to the the school, not about the school itself. Hope that clarifies my position and helps you understand what to do if you wish to go forward. John from Idegon (talk) 04:38, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

sorry wiki machine broke understandable have a nice day Amishmafiso (talk) 05:05, 31 May 2017 (UTC)