User talk:John from Idegon/Archive 65

Revert on 2018 Senate election MI
I see my edit on the 2018 Michigan Senate race was reverted by you. I had merely added some background on the state's political history sourced from 270towin.com and then discussed some aspects of the race and the candidates looking at it - all of which was sourced from reliable news organizations. Your claim that none of my sources are reliable is ridiculous, as is your claim that my edit sounded like a campaign add. It was non-partisan and simply discussed the facts. Your edit was entirely uncalled for and I am going to change it back.

STOP
I see you've been changing my edits back and I don't appreciate it. I am updating School info so people won't get the wrong idea of the building. All pictures that I have taken are officially owned by me. If I see another edit changed back the outcome will not be good for you.

Thank you. SchoolSearcher06 Schoolsearcher06 (talk) 17:04, 2 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Then you need to contact OTRS and prove to Wikipedia that you own the copyright to these images and formally give us the right to reuse them. Since at least some of the images are on the web with copyright notices wikipedia cannot host them unless you do so. The picture I removed from Mumford High School is on the copyrighted site https://www.glengery.com/photo-gallery/brick-gallery/item/164982662-mumford-high-school and the metadata says:
 * Copyright Author: Donna H Chiarelli
 * Copyright holder: Copyright: 2013 DHCStudio.com
 * Unless you prove that you are Donna H Chiarelli and formally give us permission to reuse these (including for commercial purposes) we cannot host them. Meters (talk) 19:50, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
 * "Your" photos are also featured on the DPS website which is marked "All rights reserved". So you would additionally need a release from them. Copyright is not a joke. Continued re-adding of copyrighted content is gonna get you blocked. It is one of few areas the Wikimedia Foundation has a legal exposure and we just don't fool around with it. Our policies on copyrighted material is more restrictive than the law and complying with them to the letter is in no way optional. John from Idegon (talk) 22:25, 2 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry for the trouble I caused. I was just trying to update school info. Thank you for telling me. However is there anyway I can gain trust of the pictures? Schoolsearcher06 (talk) 01:14, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I do not follow your question. If the pictures are yours, follow the instructions above.  If they are not, they cannot be used. John from Idegon (talk) 01:16, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

User talk:Climber5678
Your revert here was actually of something the user had added to his own talk page, not of something I added. Meters (talk) 02:26, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Revert on McCracken County High School
I noticed you reverted my edit updating the enrollment of McCracken County High School, commenting it was "unneeded". Why is it unneeded? The Kentucky High School Athletic Association, which governs high school sports in the state, releases audited enrollments of all of its member schools (over 300) every year—and MCHS' enrollment increased by more than 100 between the 2014–15 date cited in the infobox and 2016–17. Shouldn't the most recent enrollment numbers be included, especially since they come from a state-sanctioned source that has reason to keep regular track of enrollments? We can keep the 2014–15 numbers in the infobox, since they affect the cited student/teacher ratios, but IMHO should also include the most recent available enrollment. — Dale Arnett (talk) 08:25, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Obviously, I disagree. If you had cited a journalistic source that included analysis of the impact of the enrollment change, I could see including the most up to date figures. But we're not a factbook, and without any indication of impact, the latest NCES figures should suffice. Additionally, athletic sanctioning bodies are generally not good sources for enrollment. I cannot speak specifically to Kentucky, but for at least two nearby states (Indiana and Michigan), the enrollment figures from the athletics sanctioning bodies are not the actual enrollment, but the students that would be eligible for athletics as required by Title 9. That number excludes students who will turn 19 during the school year. If you are set on including that figure, I'd suggest starting a discussion on the article's talk page. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 10:08, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Wynyard Group
Sources will be changed. Now please check and if still needs to be modify then will be done accordingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by James aaron (talk • contribs) 12:21, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Sir, please guide what do I have to do on this page. I am very new on Wikipedia and hence need your assistance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.75.139.34 (talk) 05:44, 5 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I do not help obviously paid editors. You get paid to do this. I don't. Figure it out yourself. John from Idegon (talk) 02:37, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Los Angeles Wiki page change: Malinformed
I noticed that the change I requested to update the city skyline image atop Los Angeles's page was undone citing "malinformed". I'm just hoping for further clarification as to why the request was undone, and if you would be willing to help me resolve this and get the image updated, per the reasoning originally cited. Bovinecop (talk) 21:09, 12 July 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bovinecop (talk • contribs) 20:55, 12 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I have no idea what you are talking about. John from Idegon (talk) 01:45, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Vermont Knolls, Los Angeles
Hello John from Idegon...

Just quickly letting you know that BeenAroundAwhile is still ignoring the RFC at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_Cities/Archive_19 which is  "rough consensus against the inclusion of terms such as "affluent" or "poor" in ledes to articles on cities and towns in general".

Within a few hours of the term "low-income" being removed, he just re-inserted it into the lead at Vermont Knolls, Los Angeles.

I posted as much on Administrator BrownHairedGirl's talk page. I just thought I would keep you apprised as you were involved back in March on the West Hills, Los Angeles discussion.

I keep revisiting the Vermont Knolls, Los Angeles page and staring at it; I just cannot believe he is that obstinate.

Phatblackmama (talk) 00:53, 13 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I reverted him...it's on my watchlist. My net access is very sporatic of late so I will not be able to take him to ANI. ? John from Idegon (talk) 02:00, 13 July 2017 (UTC)


 * , it appears BHG blocked him for three days for persistent disruptive editing. Generally, blocks like that are gonna escalate if he persists when he comes back.  Thanks for the head's up.  For some bizarre reason, he deleted the project box on the talk page. John from Idegon (talk) 02:36, 13 July 2017 (UTC)


 * , thanks.  The disruptive editing is a symptom of what appears to be a larger issue of falsely perceived ownership.  If you look at the before and after of Mid-Wilshire, Los Angeles, you will see he basically tossed out years of incremental changes and replaced it with an almost entirely new article.


 * And his opening paragraph is always the same criteria - talking about density, income, and education levels. Broadway-Manchester, Los Angeles, according to BeenAround Awhile, "is notable...for its low household income, its youthful population and its high average household size."  Same with Florence, Los Angeles.  Vermont-Slauson, Los Angeles "is notable within the city for its high density of population, its relatively low household income, its youthful population, its high average household size and the percentage of its families headed by single parents."


 * I can go delete the low-income phrase, but I don't think any of it..."high density of population, its relatively low household income, its youthful population, its high average household size and the percentage of its families headed by single parents" belongs in a lede. But I expect he will put it all back and say he was only told not to mention income levels.  If you advise, I will remove all of it...but I hate to do it without the advice of a seasoned wikipedian.

Phatblackmama (talk) 01:31, 14 July 2017 (UTC)


 * That would be up to you. Ask yourself if the article is in compliance with LEDE. If it isn't, go ahead and revert. Since you're dealing with a difficult situation, go ahead and start a talk thread explaining why you did it. That way, if our friend just reverts you, he's basically edit warring right out of the gate. --John from Idegon (talk) 01:47, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I made some changes to the aforementioned neighborhoods. Phatblackmama (talk) 00:26, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Help for Proper Citation
For the Campbellsville, KY page update for Janna McMahan, she sent me a snapshot of a newspaper article from there acknowledging her being born there and presenting a talk on one of her books. I'm going to see if I can find that article online. Will that serve as a sufficient citation? What else could I provide? Looking at the other "notable" people on that page, I see no citations... shouldn't they all be removed? Thanks, Greg  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Parrottgreg (talk • contribs) 18:12, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Help for Proper Citation
For the Campbellsville, KY page update for Janna McMahan, she sent me a snapshot of a newspaper article from there acknowledging her being born there and presenting a talk on one of her books. I'm going to see if I can find that article online. Will that serve as a sufficient citation? What else could I provide? Looking at the other "notable" people on that page, I see no citations... shouldn't they all be removed? Thanks, Parrottgreg (talk) 18:16, 14 July 2017 (UTC)Parrottgreg
 * Greg, let me be blunt. This is an encyclopedia. It isn't social media. I don't give a flying fuck what the subject of the article or her shill want in it. I do this for fun and to further knowledge. Not to promote obscure second rate authors or to assist their paid shills. Don't post here again. And it highly improper for you to make any edits concerning her. You've been told all this before. Since you won't listen, I'm done talking to you. Have a life. Bye. --John from Idegon (talk) 23:56, 14 July 2017 (UTC)


 * John, so much for wanting to help as stated above, huh? Parrottgreg (talk) 15:00, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Glad to help people who want to learn to be Wikipedians. Shills not so much. Please respect my request and do not waste any more of my time that could be used to improve the encyclopedia or help others who have that goal. We have no interest in serving the publicity needs of an author and I'm at a loss as to why you cannot understand that. The information here about any subject is not under that subject's control. This isn't Facebook. This isn't LinkedIn. Go elsewhere. Do not post here again. John from Idegon (talk) 19:14, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I take no stand on the status of the author Janna McMahan, but the article has been on my watch since I discovered this article back in November 25, 2014 and severely cut its original autobiographic version, leaving several messages on the author's talk page (seemingly not emphasizing COI from subject paid contributors enough). It has evidently gone from bad to worse—guess I'd given up and stopped checking when it popped up on my watchlist (ended up on you tp from another direction. If you'd like, I will begin actively checking again since you have justifiably lost patience—and deserve a break. Neonorange (Phil) 23:48, 18 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks, . See below.  The lady herself has piped in too. John from Idegon (talk) 03:51, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

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The new Grand Poobah
When he changed it back to "Announcement" I got the message. I'm 70 next month. Do we really need this aggravation? Glad your still around! &#8213; Buster7  &#9742;   21:05, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Since my name is not on the membership list (*) I suppose I'm not in a position to disagree with [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Editor_Retention/Members&diff=prev&oldid=790798851 this edit], but I hope you (and Buster7 too) will stick around the editor retention project. Lack of people to establish consensus stalls so many discussions in Wikipedia; it's really helpful to have interested voices remaining engaged.

(*) Oddly enough, I'd have no problems joining a mass mailing list, if that gets set up; I just never felt a name on a membership list should be valued more highly than being a regular contributor to a project. isaacl (talk) 04:25, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Can't speak for Buster but I'm done. Knights who ride in on white horses to save the day are seldom more than legends in their own minds. I make it a habit to not associate myself with those who behave in a manner I would not permit my son to behave. There is nothing positive to come from this. Editor retention requires major change. And it is going to have to happen. Things like the need to make Wikipedia a useful academic tool while still being open editing; the drastic increase in advertorial content and the time sink it is; establishing in policy that AGF is not a suicide pact. I doubt any of this will happen without major changes at the WMF, but even if they could, a person with as little political skill as this assclown is not gonna move anyone anywhere. The dipshit cannot even figure out how to breathe life into a corpse without pissing it off. I removed my name from the membership list. And absolutely no disrespect to you, Issac. You've always been very thoughtful and thought provoking. Sadly, this thing today shows a major weakness in the entirety of the Wikipedia business model. Change here requires huge social and political momentum. Only the most charismatic of people (Like Dennis) can pull that off. I really cannot think of anyone else that can, although I hope they exist. Good luck. --John from Idegon (talk) 05:04, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I've written extensively on the larger-scale problems that I believe need to be resolved, so I won't go over it again here. I still like to think we can make things a little better for others within the current environment. We do need some creativity to think about it and come up with ideas, and I welcome anyone trying to do this. As hard as it may be at times, I strive to worry more about the net result, rather than how collaborative people are along the way. (But... it's really difficult some days. There are far too many outspoken editors who fail to appreciate how their approach is actively offputting and unnecessary to achieve their goals.) isaacl (talk) 05:16, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * | He has gone to Dennis and got his tacit approval. I think we properly responded to how he woke us up. He basically became a member and then ran to the front of the room and called out..."I'm in Charge. Don't worry! I'm your new Co-ordinator!" I'll give him as much support as I do our new president...which is very little. He says the Project had been inactive for months but we veterans know that any action, for years, has only been the conversations on the talk page and there was one in April). Other than EotW, there never has been any active phase or program. Also, I think he would be well served to read the archives. There are a lot of good ideas that were never fertilized. &#8213; Buster7   &#9742;   01:33, 18 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I like his idea of trying to actually effect some change; however the way he approached his coup d'etat obviously indicated he's not got the political skill set to do that. I get to retire in January (which means I'll only have to work 20 hours a week and be a single parent). With age comes pragmatism. Perhaps in a year or two, I may decide again that the effort is worth it. However if you look up this very page, you'll see the biggest problem we have (that we are allowing Wikipedia to be sold down the river) is pushing me to the point where I find it hard to give a flying fuck any more. John from Idegon (talk) 01:49, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The odd thing is that a reasonably good job was done shepherding the last sequence of RfCs on RfA reform towards some modest changes (which, given the utter lack of agreement on how administrative privileges should be granted, was as much as could be expected). Anyway, the key question is how to get more people actively involved. I hope they'll be some change! isaacl (talk) 05:12, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Andrew Santino on Naperville North High School list
You are not being consistent. Since you are apparently arbiter of alumni lists, if the citation is what you have a problem with, why is Adrian Holovaty, for example, allowed to be on the list with no apparent citation of his attendance on the Naperville North High School page or his own? That is undoubtedly less evidence than an honor roll article. What about Kevin Barnett? What about Paul Brittain?

As far as Andrew Santino, admittedly, there is apparently nothing online that says "Andrew Santino, one-and-the-same as the actor/comedian, is an NNHS alum". But who contends, with evidence, that this is not the case? He is in four annual editions of the yearbook. You can see him performing with other Naperville North alumni at Naperville North in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIMiOtMBROY. It's not a contentious fact. Acjohnson55 (talk) 15:18, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * You've been here for 11 years. Don't you think it's about time you learn the rules? When you acquire the competency to edit, holla. I'm more than happy to help new users. People who have been here for 11 years and are too lazy to learn how to contribute constructively I could care less about. Put the dude back without reliable sourcing and I'll move to have your editing privileged removed for lack of competency. --John from Idegon (talk) 19:31, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Stephanie Sheh
AnimeDisneylover95 is in the right here per WP:BRD. If someone is being bold and is reverted then it should have gone to the talk-page after this edit here: - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 01:53, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Couldn't be more irrelevant. It's at talk now. How it got there who cares. He's exhibiting bad faith at talk. When he's ready to discuss in good faith, I'll be there. But gee, thanks. I needed a tutor. John from Idegon (talk) 02:07, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

The new Grand Poobah
When he changed it back to "Announcement" I got the message. I'm 70 next month. Do we really need this aggravation? Glad your still around! &#8213; Buster7  &#9742;   21:05, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Since my name is not on the membership list (*) I suppose I'm not in a position to disagree with [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Editor_Retention/Members&diff=prev&oldid=790798851 this edit], but I hope you (and Buster7 too) will stick around the editor retention project. Lack of people to establish consensus stalls so many discussions in Wikipedia; it's really helpful to have interested voices remaining engaged.

(*) Oddly enough, I'd have no problems joining a mass mailing list, if that gets set up; I just never felt a name on a membership list should be valued more highly than being a regular contributor to a project. isaacl (talk) 04:25, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Can't speak for Buster but I'm done. Knights who ride in on white horses to save the day are seldom more than legends in their own minds. I make it a habit to not associate myself with those who behave in a manner I would not permit my son to behave. There is nothing positive to come from this. Editor retention requires major change. And it is going to have to happen. Things like the need to make Wikipedia a useful academic tool while still being open editing; the drastic increase in advertorial content and the time sink it is; establishing in policy that AGF is not a suicide pact. I doubt any of this will happen without major changes at the WMF, but even if they could, a person with as little political skill as this assclown is not gonna move anyone anywhere. The dipshit cannot even figure out how to breathe life into a corpse without pissing it off. I removed my name from the membership list. And absolutely no disrespect to you, Issac. You've always been very thoughtful and thought provoking. Sadly, this thing today shows a major weakness in the entirety of the Wikipedia business model. Change here requires huge social and political momentum. Only the most charismatic of people (Like Dennis) can pull that off. I really cannot think of anyone else that can, although I hope they exist. Good luck. --John from Idegon (talk) 05:04, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I've written extensively on the larger-scale problems that I believe need to be resolved, so I won't go over it again here. I still like to think we can make things a little better for others within the current environment. We do need some creativity to think about it and come up with ideas, and I welcome anyone trying to do this. As hard as it may be at times, I strive to worry more about the net result, rather than how collaborative people are along the way. (But... it's really difficult some days. There are far too many outspoken editors who fail to appreciate how their approach is actively offputting and unnecessary to achieve their goals.) isaacl (talk) 05:16, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * | He has gone to Dennis and got his tacit approval. I think we properly responded to how he woke us up. He basically became a member and then ran to the front of the room and called out..."I'm in Charge. Don't worry! I'm your new Co-ordinator!" I'll give him as much support as I do our new president...which is very little. He says the Project had been inactive for months but we veterans know that any action, for years, has only been the conversations on the talk page and there was one in April). Other than EotW, there never has been any active phase or program. Also, I think he would be well served to read the archives. There are a lot of good ideas that were never fertilized. &#8213; Buster7   &#9742;   01:33, 18 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I like his idea of trying to actually effect some change; however the way he approached his coup d'etat obviously indicated he's not got the political skill set to do that. I get to retire in January (which means I'll only have to work 20 hours a week and be a single parent). With age comes pragmatism. Perhaps in a year or two, I may decide again that the effort is worth it. However if you look up this very page, you'll see the biggest problem we have (that we are allowing Wikipedia to be sold down the river) is pushing me to the point where I find it hard to give a flying fuck any more. John from Idegon (talk) 01:49, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The odd thing is that a reasonably good job was done shepherding the last sequence of RfCs on RfA reform towards some modest changes (which, given the utter lack of agreement on how administrative privileges should be granted, was as much as could be expected). Anyway, the key question is how to get more people actively involved. I hope they'll be some change! isaacl (talk) 05:12, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Seems to me to be a reprise of 'shining knight' efforts with RfA after registering, breezing in, becoming an admin in less than 18 months (note well my vote and the fully intended oppose votes it caused), hardly using his tools, doing his RfC thing ignoring/refusing all advice, then going almost totally AWOL immediately afterwards for the next 18 months. (Nothing has changed at RfA as can be seen by the one I have running now with an admin of all people finding a silly, very very silly reason to break the magic.) I suspect school (or possibly college) got in the way. In any case, although one is expected to AGF I suspect self indulgence. I could of course be very wrong, but we grandaddys have a sixth sense, don't we?

Like my years of slogging away at NPP and getting consensus for all its proposals which are now finally just beginning to come to fruition, it’s meant scouring the junk yards for parts, scouring the garages for mechanics, patiently lobbying related departments for their help, and begging the government for funds and a licence to carry out the repairs. All of it actually a very lonely job. That might make me a ‘get up and go’ person, but it doesn’t make me a leader - young is actually an excellent example of a true and dynamic leader. It gets me known of course (because I'm a bigmouth), but heck, who at our age needs fame, least of all on Wikipedia. It might make us project managers though, and that’s different - it means identifying the problems, recognising the qualities in others and delegating the tasks to those of them who are interested and can do it better than we can ourseves (as when I asked  to help me with coordinating the huge WP:WPSCH a few years ago which he now practically does alone - and it's a big project with a lot  of scut).

Above all, it means listening to other people and taking their advice and giving them credit for their ideas. It also means occasionally making statements of pure common sense rather than of intellect or politik - ones that resonate among people with a ‘Dang, I couldn’t have put it better myself!’  is good at all those things, very good. I don’t do too bad myself, but it’s much harder work for me than it is for Dennis - he's just a natural, and he plays the guitar, I'm just a pianist. I’m old, very nearly as old as, another user who just gets on with running his part of the project handing out awards to others while taking very little credit himself, but I'm borderline cantankerous already! When I've got all this NPP and ACTRIAL stuff sorted out I'm going to properly retire, I promise;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:43, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * You give me too much credit. Running a project is easy.  1: Don't take credit for other people's ideas.  2: Don't take credit for your own ideas.  3: Don't complain when others take credit for your ideas, just be grateful they are being put to use.  It is a thankless task.  I didn't give him approval to take charge, btw, I gave him my blessing to try to convince the rest of the community, which really should have no weight as my vote never meant more than anyone elses there.  I'm not the don, no one need kiss my ring. What I won't do is be a jealous type who stands in the way of anyone that wants to create change. Just for fun, go read MY vote in the RFA that Kudpung linked.  I do believe he means well, and maybe he can develop the communications skills, but then as now, he does have a habit of letting his enthusiasm trip him up. Hoist by his own petard, if you will.  Still, if he will follow my advice on my talk page, he can make a difference, and making a difference *should* be more important than being in charge.  If you go back to the beginning days and read the archives, it is very obvious that I never wanted to be in charge, I hoped to inspire others to be. Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 09:34, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Your recent revert threat
Howdy. I have replied to your threat to revert on my talk page, with both my explanation of change and reasons for finding your response inappropriate. Thank you.

Hello John
Hello John,

A few weeks ago one of my readers, Greg, noticed that my Wikipedia page was in sad shape and he asked if he could make it better. My page was created by a librarian, but she never returned to complete it and there were many dangling citations and a lot of incomplete information. Of course, I was delighted that someone would want to complete it.

Greg forwarded your communication to me and apologized that he'd apparently hit a roadblock with adding me to my hometown's own Wikipedia page. I can also assure you that this person had no motives other than to be a kind person.

I was born and raised in Campbellsville. My hometown is very important to me and they have embraced my success as a writer. The local university teaches my first novel, which is set in a town strikingly similar to Campbellsville. I was on hand to open the new Taylor County Public Library since that was where I formed my love of reading. Campbellsville included me on their Bicentennial Facebook page recently.

While you may not appreciate my work, to imply that I am unfit for inclusion as a notable person from my hometown is simply not accurate. I would be happy to provide you with whatever documentation you require to satisfy you that I am worthy to be counted among the notable from my small community. I have been on the New York Times and the U.S.A. Today bestseller lists, as well as Book-of-the-month Club. I have published four novels and a novella and published many short stories in literary journals. I've also won a number of literary awards.

There is no way that being included as a notable person from my hometown will help me sell any more books. But it would be nice to be allowed to connect in that way with my history. Would you be more inclined to not block an entry that came from our Chamber of Commerce or perhaps our celebrated local historian, Betty Jane Gorin, who was my history teacher back at Taylor County High School?

I'm not sure why you object to my being included, but I do hope that you will reconsider and allow my reader's entry to stand. It hurts no one.

Thank you for your consideration,

Janna — Preceding unsigned comment added by JannaMc (talk • contribs) 22:26, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * As I told Greg, the encyclopedia article about you on Wikipedia is in no way shape or form "yours". I have no interest in helping anyone publicize themselves. Go away. John from Idegon (talk) 23:00, 18 July 2017 (UTC)


 * @Janna McMahan
 * Talk page stalker here (User:Neonorange): I happened to drop in on John's user page and saw this gathering storm. Perhaps, since I haven't looked at the article since 2014, I thought I could be fairly fresh to this discussion. I can give a short answer now—you can take this up further at my talk page if you wish.
 * After reading your message above, I would like to clear up some misconceptions for which I must take some responsibility. Back on November 25, 2014 I made severe cuts to the article to bring it into compliance with Wikipedia guidelines for biographies; this was shortly after User:JannaMcMahan had made a number of changes. At this time I also left posts on the user talk page for User:JannaMcMahan on the assumption that this was you. These posts were a welcome to Wikipedia, a list of links to policies on Wikipedia, and an explanation of content of interest. After this long period, is it possible you forgot you first User name here and created a new account?


 * Wikipedia is a huge undertaking: a free, online encyclopedia with content generated and maintained entirely by unpaid volunteers. The English language alone has more the 5,400,000 articles and is the fourth most accessed website on the Internet. Much of our work now is maintaining the integrity of the encyclopedia by improving articles to meet our guidelines. Our usability depends on content integrity: verifiability and avoidance of conflicts of interests. Yes, changes to articles by persons with conflicts of interest can hurt. For this reason there are always problems when the subject of an article contributes to that article—for the subject and for Wikipedia. If there are factual errors in the article, then please bring it to our attention. But any content changes should ideally be made by an editor with no conflicts of interest. Not the subject nor fans. And most certainly anything that might be considered promotional. Acceptable content in Wikipedia is based on verifiability, not truth. This means the citation to reliable third-party sources must be provided to support any assertion that might be challenged. Not all sources meet the requirement. We are every bit as jealous of Wikipedia's integrity as are any publishers of for-profit encyclopedias; and perhaps more successful. User:Neonorange (Phil) 05:17, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Account Flagged as COI and Non-compliant Username
John,

You recently flagged my account https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:HallCountySchools as having a username that didn't follow guidelines and as being a possible COI.

I have submitted a change of username request form, and am now looking to declare the account as COI (paid). I haven't found easy-to-follow documentation of how to do so. Seeing as you flagged it, would you mind lending me a hand?

HallCountySchools (talk) 19:42, 19 July 2017 (UTC)


 * You've done part of what you need to do with the creation of your user page. The other things you need to do are outlined at WP:PAID. One thing to be aware of: you must never directly edit any article associated with the school system. Instead you make an edit request on the articles talk page marking it with the appropriate edit request template for a paid editor. Please keep a few things in mind. First, an encyclopedia by nature is tertiary. That means that additions or changes require sources independent of the school district. For enrollment and demographic data, the best source is NCES. Second there are many things we do not include, such as staff (except the head person) or student names, discussion of things like schedules, grad requirements, individual programs (with some exceptions), individual achievement of staff or students, schools matriculated to and more. See WP:SCH/AG. I'll be happy to help you anytime, as long as you remember that the only purpose of articles involving schools is to inform the entire English speaking world of relevant information summarized from reliable independent sources. It is not to promote the individual schools or to inform the individual school's communities in any way. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 20:23, 19 July 2017 (UTC), co-coordintor, WikiProject Schools


 * And I see you've changed your username, ! Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 20:27, 19 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks, John! And thanks for the information and link about school pages. That helps a lot. Andrew at Hallco (talk) 21:52, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Addison Trail High School Article
Thank you for looking at my work. The changes I made reflect the source already cited in the intro paragraph. If you click on the source, the numbers I used are from that existing source. All I did was edit the numbers according to the updates on the website. The same source was used, the only difference is the year the source was retrieved. I look forward to working with you.

Thank You,

Co_ang — Preceding unsigned comment added by Co ang (talk • contribs) 20:06, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

MHacks Edits being rejected
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MHacks

Above is the link to the wiki page I have been working hard to maintain and improve. As a member of this event, it is personally very important to me that it is kept accurate. I gave references throughout my edits, but you continue to reject changes. If I am not following some wikipedia etiquette that I am not aware of, please guide me to make changes that will not be rejected.

Thank you for your time — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oal23 (talk • contribs) 01:56, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

RfA

 * I appreciated your comment about a cookout, John. I will be in Madras, Oregon for the big solar eclipse on August 21, moving on to Portland, Corvallis and Albany in the following days. Feel free to email me. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  00:01, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * We are geared up for crazy here too. Weiser, Idaho has one of the best ratings for eclipse viewing in the whole country, due to our clear air, relatively high altitude and desert clime.  I'd love to come and visit with you, but alas, I live an automobile free lifestyle and lodging in any form during the eclipse time is way out of my budget.  Enjoy the eclipse and remember one key fact about Oregon:  We love it when Californians come here and leave behind some of their money...nearly as much as when they leave. (nothing personal, and not necessarily my attitude, just the attitude in general.  Quite similar to my beloved Upper Peninsula of Michigan.)  Madras is beautiful country.  Considerably more attractive than the godforsaken desert I live in. The landslide was well deserved, and all the laud was understated.  You are truly the consummate Wiki-diplomat.  I am 100% sure that you will be a simply awesome admin, with experience as good as my Wiki-hero, Dennis Brown.  Thanks for finally taking the leap. John from Idegon (talk) 20:35, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

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 * That's a bit over the top, don't you think? How about you just copy and paste the source from his bio into the settlement article if it is so important to you? WP:NOTBUREAOCRCY applies here (and you know damn well what I'm citing if that comes up red. Not gonna waste any more time looking it up.) So does WP:DICK. Tata. John from Idegon (talk) 23:05, 29 July 2017 (UTC)