User talk:John from Idegon/Archive 74

Apologies for incorrect editing
My apologies for editing The section Notable People on the page Perry Meridian High School incorrectly. When I placed a link to a person named Andrew Bryson, the link went to the incorrect page, that is, someone else coincidentally with the same name, and as a new user I was not aware of how to fix it, though I am now after reading some guidelines. I understand that this mistake was disrespectful to the person incorrectly linked to. I am still learning the proper punctuation to use when editing sources to create links, and I have now read over the guidelines of notability as well. Would it be appropriate to make the same edit, but instead include only the pseudonym and not the real name, which is not known publicly and therefore is what may have violated the guidelines of notability, of the drag queen Blair St. Clair from PMHS while linking to the page for season ten of RuPaul's Drag Race? Please trust me that the edit was made in good faith.Conrad Thompson (talk) 17:48, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * No. Generally, being a participant on a reality show is not enough in and of itself to show notability. You would need to create a biography for them first, but virtually all biographies of participants on the RuPaul show have been rejected. Please do not reinsert a link for the person without having written a bio on them first, but be advised the biography most likely won't survive. John from Idegon (talk) 19:21, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

I've never used Talk before so I hope I'm able to convey my point correctly. Please excuse any breaches of protocol or format; my intentions are proper. Yesterday I edited the Snohomish High School page under the section Notable Alumni. I added my father, Earl Averill Jr.] because he graduated from Snohomish High School before going on to become an All-America Baseball Player at the [[University of Oregon and then play for several years in MLB. My grandfather, Earl Averill was listed on the page and I was tempted to delete his listing because I do not think he attended high school. In any event, you reverted my changes. They should be reinstated and, if anything, my grandfather deleted. My dad did not typically use the 'Jr." title because he technically was not a Junior (Grandpa was Howard Earl and Dad was Earl Douglas), but it stuck when he played ball because his dad was such a memorable player. Grandpa was born in 1902 which means he did not attend high school in the 1940's. Dad was born in 1931. Thanks for your patience with me Reaverill (talk) 23:39, 19 April 2018 (UTC)Randy (Randall Earl) Averill. My sources are family knowledge - I know I've seen my dad's diploma and family lore always said grandpa dropped out of school to work at an early age.

ACICS Accreditation
Information sources to verify the Accrediting status of ACICS, please check the links below https://www2.ed.gov/documents/press-releases/acics-docketno-16-44-0.pdf https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/following-court-ruling-devos-orders-further-review-2016-acics-petition http://www.acics.org/news/content.aspx?id=7154 http://www.acics.org/news/content.aspx?id=7147 https://www.chronicle.com/article/DeVos-Gives-Controversial/243028 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/reversing-key-obama-era-policy-devos-empowers-for-profit-college-gatekeepers-2018-04-04 https://news.elearninginside.com/acics-accreditor-corinthian-colleges-itt-technical-institute-risen-dead/

Please read the above articles, which says that Education department has reinstated the ACICS as a federally recognized accrediting agency, until further notice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kalyanam17 (talk • contribs) 14:16, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Please take your content dispute where it belongs. And as I did last time, if you do not sign your messages in the future, they will be removed unread. John from Idegon (talk) 17:20, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Goochland County
I changed your edits because they make absolutely no sense. I changed the grammatical syntax of a single sentence. You have repeatedly changed it for no reason. You don't own the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darryl.jensen (talk • contribs) 20:43, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * And neither do you. The change you are repeatedly edit warring about is not a syntax change. You're changing the meaning of the sentence. You're attempting to contextualize an historic event in contemporary terms. There was no "convict labor program". Convict labor was provided via specific legislative fiat upon request. There was no "program" whatsoever.
 * The bigger issue here is your refusal or inability to conform to "Wiki ways". Neither you or I have any sort of "right" to change an article to suit our tastes. There are no managing editors here. Everything is peer reviewed. When disagreement occurs, which happens frequently, then the procedure to follow, as I've previously linked to you, is WP:BRD. You made a bold edit, I reverted it. The next step should be to discuss it at the article's talk page. In that discussion, you need to convince any other editors involved that your version is an improvement by referring to reliable sources and or Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. You should do this rationally, without taking it personally and assuming good faith that my reason for reverting you was in my view in the best interest of the encyclopedia. As I stated above, I feel your change changed the meaning of the sentence, and I explained why. It's up to you to convince me and any other editors involved that that is not the case. If you do as you should have, and take this to the article talk page and discuss it, it may be that other editors agree with you. What I've just outlined is how dispute resolution starts here. If no consensus can be reached, there are further steps that can be taken, but a discussion on the article talk page is a prerequisite for any of those. If no consensus can be reached, no change occurs unless or until one does. Again, this is simply how Wikipedia works.
 * You've been left numerous messages on your talk page containing links that if read would help you understand the way Wikipedia works. You've removed them all and replaced them, somewhat quizzically, with "Let's talk". Just so you know, with some exceptions, you are allowed to remove messages from your talk page, but it isn't considered best practices. However,, you should be aware that removal of messages is viewed by the community as an acknowledgement that you have read and understood them. Since you didn't sign your message here, I doubt that's the case. If you wish to continue discussion of the article in question, please do so at the article's talk. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 23:46, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Apology note
Dear John, I am extremely, absolutely, positively, 100% sorry for the way I treated you. I know I may be evading my block, but I completely regret what I wrote on your talk page. I am also very sorry for vandalizing your user page, too. All I wanted you to do was to stop adding the letter "e" to my username. I do not mind being addressed as "Colman"; I just don't want you to add the letter "e" to my username. I was afraid that if I asked you this, you might tell me that this is not a social site and you don't care about how my username is spelled. Now that I know that you edit by smartphone, I will be more than glad to delete the "e" from my username. To tell you the truth, I really appreciate all of the input you are giving me, which is absolutely awesome!! I understand what you meant by genealogy websites are unreliable sources. I looked up the article on genealogy, and it is the study of family history, and I'm guessing it is a self-published book because either the publisher is a member of the family or founders of a community or they published it for a current generation family of the people who founded the community. Please, John, please, I beg you for mercy! I know I am evading my block, but I just wanted to write how sorry I truly am for vandalizing your user page and for the false accusation I made. I want to edit Wikipedia in good faith. Please, John, give me another chance! I am scared of you, now. I felt offended when you told me to go away. Will you please accept my apology and see how sorry I am from the bottom of my heart? Colman2000 (talk) 04:55, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Let me make this very clear. You have stated you live in the same state I do. If you attempt to contact me again via any mode, on or off Wiki, I'll simply contact the Oregon State Police and let them deal with it. Do not respond. Besides being obviously in violation of several policies here, your behavior in my view has crossed the legal boundary of what constitutes harassment. Stop. John from Idegon (talk) 12:47, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Hehe
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:John_from_Idegon&diff=prev&oldid=835396116 Did you just fancy a delicate cuppa Lapsang souchong or something? Crumpets?] Bishonen &#124; talk 15:43, 8 April 2018 (UTC).
 * I'm partial to Earl Grey. As is fitting for Lecutus of Borg. John from Idegon (talk) 17:04, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Amos Paul Kennedy Jr
Hi, Idegon!

Thank you for welcoming me to Wikipedia. I'm sure I have a lot to learn from you. Amos Kennedy, himself, asked me to edit this page for factual errors. I have a provided a verifiable source for his education, and will provide a more verifiable source for his date of birth.

Thank you for your time and interest.

VerseArcturus (talk) 15:55, 8 April 2018 (UTC)VerseArcturus
 * I have no interest in either you or Mr. Kennedy. I'm a Wikipedian. My only interest is the interest one is supposed to have when editing here - an interest in creating an encyclopedia. Obviously you cannot say that. Exactly how is it Kennedy came to ask you, who obviously knows nothing about Wikipedia, to change his biography here? Do you work for him? John from Idegon (talk) 17:24, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Two articles of the same school
Hi John and, there are two articles of the same school; Corelli College and The Halley Academy. The latter is the current name where the school had simply changed its name in March 2018. At present, the information on both is almost the same, just slightly different wording. The Halley Academy should not have been created in the first place and instead Corelli College which already states in its introduction text: "Corelli College is to adopt a new name, Halley Academy named after Edmond Halley in March 2018" would have sufficed. Once the school had changed its name, the 'move' function should have been used to move Corelli College to The Halley Academy, that way the page history would stay together in one place, after all it is the same school that has simply changed its name. Corelli page history dates back to 2005 whereas the Halley one dates back to December 2017. I think it would be best to speedy delete The Halley Academy, 'move' Corelli College to The Halley Academy and then update the necessary information in the article or histmerge if that's best, what do you think? Steven (Editor) (talk) 23:14, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * IMO, no need to merge the history of an improperly created article. Speedy the new article as a dupe of the old article, move the old article to the new name and update as needed. Delete needs to go first, tag it and perhaps K will take care of it. Thanks, . John from Idegon (talk) 01:05, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * You should also put a short note on both article's talk pages, and drop a note to the creator of the new article explaining why that's wrong. If you get push back, let me know. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 01:15, 9 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Halley Academy deleted and a redirect  created to  Corelli College. If  would like a copy  of the deleted material so he can add any of it to the Corelli article, I'd be happy to send him a copy, but it was almost identical, perhaps because he copied it not realising that  a page move with redirect  would have been the solution. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:47, 9 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for showing an interest in notable Kidbrooke School. We do have a UK specific problem here. Kidbrooke was a state school in local authority care and control. After serious political intervention it closed and buildings, assets, pupils and staff were taken over by a new legal entity. What is a school? That is a serious question, is it the organisation or the buildings on the land that it once owned. Correlli is a political football- an academy- a company- that issues its own contracts and legal undercuts teachers pay and conditions- and it failed to run an adequate school. HMG created a new company, and stripped any assets left from Correlli and I believe when I started the article (now deleted so I cannot check!) was to planned to open the school we knew as Kidbrooke. I did a belt and braces as for several weeks two articles could be justified. However Halley Academy does exist and we have a redlink.


 * The school is now owned by the Leigh Academy Trust, named after the Leigh Academy, but registered at Chapter School in Strood. The term governance is misleading- as the governing body is really a local advisory panel with budget delegation but no financial policy making powers. In effect Kidbrooke is just one of the company's sites.


 * As HMG U-turns its way forward/backwards/sideways- we need to have an established procedure- that is documented on how to handle the crisis. I will go with any decision that allows us to fairly represent the situation- but be aware that our policies may be a step behind our encyclopedic need. ClemRutter (talk) 09:26, 9 April 2018 (UTC)


 * You've obviously put a lot of research into this, . There may be a subtle difference between The Halley Academy, and Halley Academy and there is obviously some confusion. What would you like to do? I'll happily use my tools for whatever solution you and John think is best. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:28, 9 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks John and Kudpung and for deleting and creating a redirect to Corelli College. I have gone ahead and 'moved' the Corelli one to The Halley Academy with redirect. Another user has made subsequent edits after moving page and then I've gone and made a few more edits to the page, infobox, intro text etc. to reflect new name. The schools website on the Our Heritage page contains the history of the school and states "It changed its name from Kidbrooke School to Corelli College Co-operative Academy when it became an academy in September 2011. In March 2018 the school joined the Leigh Academies Trust and became The Halley Academy." Steven (Editor) (talk) 15:43, 9 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the compliments, A lot of this is generic knowledge- widely known by former members of LEA Education committees, former governors of large schools and parents having to make the inenviable school selection choice for their sprogs. In Kent we have been hypersensitive to school governance ever since Kent worked out a legal loophole to maintain its secondary modern schools and grammar schools- in 1966. The battle ground is now the Multi-academy trust take overs.
 * We do need to be far clearer about what we do with multi-academy trusts in general and the way they pretend that they are not asset stripping. My role is pointing out the difficulties. I can live with any solution, but we need to sort out the correct way to write up secondary schools, and for that matter primary schools who are being swept into these companies. In detail
 * Halley/The Halley it was custom and practice to ommit the definite article in titles, with rare exceptions. Why here?
 * The schools website is not a reliable source WP:RS. Since LAT took over over it has become a PR exercise. What they meant to hide was: Kidbrooke school was force to become and academy, and the new academy called themselves Corelli College Co-operative Academy Trust and their school was called Corelli College Co-operative Academy but just Correlli by staff students and parents. Changes were made and the school suffered a disasterous Ofsted, the sucessor company was Leigh Academy trust, who ran several sites across North Kent, and adjacent London Boroughs. The company renamed the site Halley Academy.
 * Anything that we write needs to be backed up with reliable independent sources.
 * Just make sure all the redirects are in place.
 * The question:What is a school remains unanswered.


 * I don't want to sound dramatic, but a lot of information I have gleaned comes from personal contacts who have suffered professionally and financially from these sheningans- which obviously I cannot publish. If you look at the professional press you will find a school that cannot retain its staff- and is running with too few qualified teachers. ClemRutter (talk) 09:28, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

WMHS Editing
Hello John,

So, I've noticed that every time I put in a paragraph for Warren Mott High School about how it was formed by consolidating Warren HS and Mott HS, it is deleted due to it being flagged as "original research". However, I have found multiple sources that do show the merger is not merely a fabrication, such as here: http://www.candgnews.com/news/wall-will-honor-military-members-killed-while-serving-99282 (see third paragraph) and here: http://www.macombdaily.com/article/MD/20151120/SPORTS/151129993 (there aren't really standard paragraphs in this article so I would just advise doing Ctrl+F and typing in "merge"). Both of these articles mention the consolidation of Warren and Mott High schools to form WMHS, and I would like to cite them for my aforementioned paragraph so that it does not come across as a fabrication, but in both articles, the merger is just a minor bullet point for the main article. So, I was hoping you could help me out with standard procedures as to if these can be used for citation or if they're too small of a mention, and if so, how I would go about doing that? Finchwidget (talk) 01:41, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Every fact in a Wikipedia article is required to be verifiable to a reliable source (the blue words are links you should read. The two sources you listed here do not speak to the merger of two schools anywhere. Have you tried searching "Warren Mott merger" in a Google news search, or on mlive.com or freep.com? An event as major as the merger of two large high schools had to have been covered in at least the Detroit papers. And most likely much further than that. There is no reason to even attempt to use the sourcing you're using. One did mention Mott HS in one place and Warren-Mott in another; but to try to stretch that into what you wrote would definitely be original research. Let me be really clear here, . If you are under the impression that Wikipedia is a place to write about what you know, you are completely incorrect. If you think the article on Warren Mott is here to record information about the school, that too is incorrect. The purpose of an encyclopedia article is to summarize pertanent information about the subject paraphrased from already published reliabre sources. Period. I'll leave you some helpful information on your talk page about how Wikipedia works, a link to a help forum just for new users and a set of instructions on how to add references. Best of luck. I really don't think you should have a problem finding much better sources. John from Idegon (talk) 02:25, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright, so I realize those may not have been the best sources, so I apologize for that. I took your advice and found a source mentioning the consolidation within the Freep archives for 1992; however, to view the article in its entirety, you need to become a paying member of the Archives. The only reason I could even tell it indeed mentioned the consolidation is through the small amount of text shown in the thumbnail of the article, which is of course not enough to go off of for a reference. I would link to it, but seeing as one can't view it without meeting the aforementioned circumstances, I see no point in doing so. So, due to the circumstances of requiring money in order to view the source, should I give up on it, or are there procedures in place on here that I can use in order to properly reference it? Finchwidget (talk) 01:34, 24 April 2018 (UTC)Finchwidget
 * Well, I guess it depends on how and or how much you want to work at it. First, sources do not have to be online (and it is fine to cite something online that is paywalled). Wikipedia has resources to access paywalled sources for you, but I'm honestly not sure how that works. I'd suggest enquiring at the Teahouse for further guidance. Now what I would do if I were you (and I'm assuming you're somewhere in Michigan) is go down to the biggest and best library that is accessable for you, and ask the librarian to pull you a copy of the actual newspaper. They might also have access to the freep's online archive. If they have old papers on microfiche, you may have to search on the fiche's for it yourself. But in any case, for a couple bucks in copy costs and the time and transportation needed to get to the library, you'll have a copy of the article! Paraphrase what it says, cite it using Template:Cite news, add the URL for the paywalled resource on the freep's site and short quote from the article in the appropriate fields (make sure to fill in as many fields in the template as possible) in the template and you're all set. Holla if I can help. Thanks, . John from Idegon (talk) 02:26, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Deleting the Vanessa Trump article .. why ?
There was a Vanessa Trump biography article with several paragraphs, linking to sources including the NY Times, BBC, NY Daily News.

The Vanessa Trump wiki entry was linked to from the Dwight School entry under 'Notable Alumni'

First you deleted the entire Vanessa Trump biography article and replaced it with a redirect to her husband Donald Trump Jr., and then you removed the Vanessa Trump entry from the list of Notable Alumni from the Dwight School article, writing "She does NOT have a biography. the title redirects to another article. apparently you do not know what notable means on Wikipedia.". Then you linked to the Wikipedia:Notability article which I read.

There was a biography until you erased it. I am curious why you deleted that content on those two pages ? Thanks Babylonian (talk) 21:51, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * There was a redirect under her name. Someone created a poor article there, after the first time I removed her from the list at Dwight School. I reinstated the redirect. If you have a problem with that, take it to WP:RFD. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 22:01, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Kamehameha Schools
Please wait for my response on the talk page before making any further changes. Peaceray (talk) 05:35, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Uh, no. That statement reeks of WP:OWN. I'll make any changes I deem necessary. I do not need your approval to do so. What would make you think I do? I see the order now, and frankly it is completely idiosyncratic. I'll alpha order it tonite, and unless you have a policy based reason to put it back, I'd suggest you don't. I'll leave the subheader be, but I wouldn't marry yourself to it staying that way. I'm pretty sure once wider participation comes to the discussion, your insistence on keeping it will be outnumbered. She's graduating in a month. Why is it important? Don't answer here please. And please don't come to my talk page over content issues. Discuss them on the article's talk page. John from Idegon (talk) 06:47, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Forgot to ping. John from Idegon (talk) 06:48, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Really? WP:OWN? I took less than 70 minutes to carefully detail what had happened. I would ask you to WP:AGF, be WP:CIVIL, work by WP:CONCENSUS, & be patient. You do realize that when Auli'i Cravalho graduates in a couple of months, this is all going to be moot? Peaceray (talk) 06:55, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Deletion of Page: Scott Hampton (racing driver)
Hi John,

I just logged in and discovered my article has been deleted. Do you know if the content can be recovered so that I can save it elsewhere? I didn't realize that a track champion and multi-time competitor in one of the year's most prestigious short track racing events was not notable enough to be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshhanson18 (talk • contribs) 17:19, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * , I just proposed the article for deletion. is the administrator who deleted it. They may be willing to restore it to your user space for you to improve it. I'd suggest you familiarize yourself with the notability guidelines for biographies. See WP:ANYBIO and WP:NMOTORSPORTS. Although race car drivers are covered by the WP:SNG above, that appears to only cover the big league circuits. To make notability without a SNG, a subject has to have been written about in detail in multiple reliable sources, totally independent of the subject. Good luck. John from Idegon (talk) 17:53, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Protection
i have semi  protected  Idaho Falls High School. If anything more needs doing, let me know. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:42, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Long term I hope. Wish I could figure this out. It relates to the harassment I was getting from University of Idaho and University of Michigan IPs, a charter school in Duluth, Minnesota, and . I know that sounds like tinfoil hat stuff, but it's all tied in and too many similarities to be coincidence. John from Idegon (talk) 00:50, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Patrick Henry High School edited information
Good Afternoon John from Idegon,

'''I was wondering what I needed to do to get this information back on the PHHS Wikipage. I do not think I was using personal analysis or being bias (neutral point of view)towards any other entity. I thought I was using credible sources to cite the information (Roanoke Times Newspaper, WDBJ Channel 7 CBS, Roanoke City Public School (RCPS) Main website, Virginia Department of Education, etc.) presented. Here is the information and the citation below:'''

PHHS Teacher Jeff Midkiff, orchestra director was awarded the 2017 Yale Distinguished Music Educator Award in January 2017 and PHHS Orchestra Teacher David Lipps was given the "Hall of Fame" award through Virginia Band and Orchestra Directors Association in January 2017

The PHHS Chamber Orchestra performed at the Kennedy Center along with Mr. Jeff Midkiff at center stage in Washington, DC in March 2017 participating in the SHIFT Festival of American Orchestras and the PHHS Band under the direction of Alex Schmitt performed at Carnegie Hall as part of the National Band and Orchestra Festival in NYC in April 2017

Patrick Henry High School continued a decade of graduation growth by graduating 92% of its 2017 Senior class. Their graduation rate was better than the state average of 91.1% in 2017 and helped RCPS achieve 90% on-time graduation rate for the first time in district history.

Cited information:

RCPS Highlights and Initiatives: https://www.rcps.info/cms/One.aspx?portalId=468655&pageId=10045142

Education Notebook: Roanoke orchestra teacher earns national honor: Roanoke Times - January 26, 2017 http://www.roanoke.com/news/education/education-notebook-roanoke-orchestra-teacher-earns-national-honor/article_bdef973b-12a7-5217-9f8b-ead438a6257a.html

Roanoke Continues decade of graduation rate gains with new record: Roanoke Times – September 27, 2017 http://www.roanoke.com/news/education/roanoke-continues-decade-of-graduation-rate-gains-with-new-record/article_70faf276-560f-5373-9613-09585ef30282.html Graduation and Completion Index: Virginia Department of Education - http://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/patrick-henry-high-2#fndtn-desktopTabs-accountability

VH1 boost continues to resound years later as Roanoke symphonic band plays Carnegie Hall: Roanoke Times - April 13, 2017 http://www.roanoke.com/news/education/vh-boost-continues-to-resound-years-later-as-roanoke-symphonic/article_dd255cda-a79d-578c-a582-3ed4763f02a0.html

Roanoke students to perform at Kennedy Center thanks to conductor: WDBJ7 - http://www.wdbj7.com/content/news/Students-perform-at-Kennedy-Center-thanks-to-their-Conductor-416971753.html

'''Do I need to place the information word for word on the page or is there a better way of presenting it?

Thanks,

jablonsj — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jablonsj (talk • contribs) 19:50, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


 * A couple things upfront,.
 * An encyclopedia is not a place for the school to disseminate information. Anything other than the most mundane indisputable facts (think address) needs to have reliable, independent sources.
 * WP:COI is a thing. Are you in any way associated with either the school or the district?  If you are employed by either the school or the district in any management position or in a position that includes publicity or communication in your job description; or you are as an individual or are employed by a firm that contracts to the school or the district for either communication, image management or public relations: then you are a WP:PAID contributor and should not be directly editing the article at all.
 * Directly copying what a source says is a policy and a legal violation. That is copyright infringement.  Instead, you paraphrase what the sources say, without adding any embellishments.  This is what I am reverting your edits over.
 * You've been given an information sheet for new users on your talk page. I'd suggest you read it.  The fact that you failed to sign the message you left here is a pretty clear indication you haven't.  The article on this school is not the property of the school.  It is not for the school.  It is not social media.  Bluntly, it is not to be used to make the school sound better or to distribute information in a way the school would like.  Students, alumni and even staff that are not covered by the WP:PAID guideline are welcome to edit Wikipedia, but only with the understanding that edits made here must conform to our policies.  I'll leave you an additional link on your talk page for a Q&A forum for new users if you have any questions about the basics that the welcome sheet on your talk page do not cover.
 * Certain broad topics such as schools have style and content guidelines. Like all other content on Wikipedia, these were arrived at by consensus and should be followed unless you have established a consensus on the article talk page not to.  That is rare.  The guideline for schools is at WP:SCH/AG.  Among the things we simply do not discuss are achievements of individual students or staff.  We do not even mention the names of individual students or staff.


 * All that being said, content issues should be discussed on the article's talk page, not at an editor's talk page. This allows wider participation in the discussion.  You need to address my questions regarding conflict of interest prior to any further discussion however, and if you are a PAID editor you need to comply with the legally binding clauses in the terms of use that are mentioned in the link for PAID.  If it applies, this needs to be done prior to any other editing regarding this school, no matter where it is. John from Idegon (talk) 21:36, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Thoughts on this
Hi John and, I came across this article: Poornaprajna - an article that needs a lot of cleanup. I don't think the title of this is even correct and I can't really seem to find anything on the internet that describes this articles introduction text as "a chain of premier educational institutions run by the Sri Admar Mutt". The closest I have found is this which list a lot of the schools on the article, but then the title of this website is Udupi Shri Admar Mutt Education Council which is completely different to the current title of the page. Other search results come with individual school websites. The article doesn't have any references and contains 3 external links - Facebook and two individual school websites. Could this article qualify for deletion or maybe a stub tag added? Please let me know, thank you Steven (Editor) (talk) 18:20, 13 April 2018 (UTC) Extra: I've just had a look at the edit history, not a lot but it was created as a redirect to Madhvacharya (who is also known as "Purna Prajña") in 2007. Steven (Editor) (talk) 18:26, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . Sorry for not replying sooner.  As you may have figured, I do not do much with schools outside of North America.  Probably better to take the Asian ones to Kudpung and the British ones to . Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 18:14, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * No worries, thanks John Steven (Editor) (talk) 18:20, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, I don't have anything to do with articles on schools in Asia. Like, I generally work on UK schools. I just happen to live in Asia. I'll see what I can do. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:10, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Arriving from K's t/p. I will be taking a look tomorrow. ~ Winged Blades Godric 18:19, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It's an old article. Totally unsourced. Not about a school. Rather promotional. Gets about 500 hits a month (most probably search engine bots). Make a fuss of it if you want; PROD it (it'll probably get deleted); AfD it: waste everyone's time. Redirect it - perhaps, but where to? Or perhps just leave it and worry about a lot of articles that are actually doing our encyclopedia a lot of harm. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:29, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Could the history of the page be deleted and the redirect to Madhvacharya it was created as in 2007 be restored (to also prevent others from undoing the redirect if the history was kept)? Steven (Editor) (talk) 20:00, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Greyhaven article overwrite
Hi John,

Thanks for your help over the Greyhaven article overwrite (Teahouse Archive 753, Q17). I have received an email from the editor in question, which says:

'''Hi Rodney, you probably know me as the anonymous user who updated the "Greyhaven" band page, but my name is John. I have created a draft for the currently active band. Still lots of work to do with filling and sourcing, but it's a start. As far as differentiating the bands, "2014 band" was placed next to the current Greyhaven by another user, but I think it would be more appropriate to alter the title of the defunct band, considering they haven't been together for nearly two decades and seem pretty obscure as well.'''

'''As far as the name rights issue goes, the current Greyhaven is also signed with a record label that distributes through a subsidiary of Sony, whereas the older Greyhaven was signed to a non-profit French music label. Though I really do appreciate the concern, I doubt any legal action is imminent.'''

So they seem to think there won't be any copyright issues over the name because the original band was signed to a non-profit making label. I'm not really sure if this makes any difference and I don't know if you (or anyone else) wants to follow it up? In the meantime, the original article for the first Greyhaven band from Oregon has been restored and they are working on a new draft article for the new Louisville band, which is the outcome we wanted! They have questioned whether the new band's article should be titled "Greyhaven" and the old one renamed to something like "Greyhaven (1996–2000 band)". Would that be an option? Rodney Baggins (talk) 08:48, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Ann Arbor, MI - Thanks for clarifying the issue about population estimates and multiple reverts.
Thanks for bringing my attention to that issue regarding my edit for “Ann Arbor, Michigan”. Initially I thought I was the victim of ‘pranksters’ who were changing my edits, so that’s why I reverted their changes.

I needed to use the population information for the city, but realized that the numbers in this Wikipedia entry were from over 7 years ago. That’s when I went to the US Census webpage for updated numbers, and I added those to the entry for “Ann Arbor.” For my particular purposes, I needed to know the current population, even if it was an official estimate, and that the city has surpassed Lansing as the 5th most populous city in Michigan. Since I found value in that information, I assumed that other Wikipedia users would benefit from the updated population number. After all, I thought that having the ‘latest’ data was a primary benefit of an online encyclopedia like Wikipedia, rather than the static information of the printed Encyclopedia Britannica I used while growing up.

I have compiled the information I need; I don’t “need” to see my edit for “Ann Arbor.” Now that I submitted my report, I won’t need information from Wikipedia’s entry for “Ann Arbor.”

I’ll try to remember to use only verified data in future edits or entries, and I will also remember to double-check Wikipedia data to make sure that I have the latest, or most current, numbers.

Sincerely,

Jonathan.

Elginapples (talk) 04:37, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated
Thanks for reviewing Carlos Roberto Signorelli, John from Idegon.

Unfortunately SamHolt6 has just gone over this page again and unreviewed it. Their note is:

"The article as it is contains some content, but in no way passes review"

To reply, leave a comment on SamHolt6's talk page.

SamHolt6 (talk) 05:33, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * How about you go drink some more coffee or something useful like pound sand? I'm still reviewing the fucking page! And perhaps you should also read WP:DTTR. You'd have done more good leaving your bitchy little note to the dillwad that put a blp prod on the bio of a guy that a)has been dead 9 years, and b) is most likely notable. Find something better to do with your time, ! John from Idegon (talk) 05:46, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * John I use the new page reviewer tool, and when I un-review an article an automated message is sent out. I do not particularly care which editor this message is sent to; my concern is that articles like Carlos Roberto Signorelli remain un-reviewed.--SamHolt6 (talk) 05:53, 17 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Horse shit. You had to add the comment, dickhead. Now get the fuck off my talk page. You are responsible for all your edits, whether hand made or automated. If you are using a granted permission to rapid fire useless messages to experienced editors, perhaps someone should review whether you should even have them. And since the administrator that granted you most of your permissions and the administrator that started NPP watch my page, that may just happen. When you fuck up, just admit it. And back off the damn trigger. Can I go find some sources for that article, or are you going to waste more of my time weaseling? Oh and by the way,, the editor who incorrectly placed the blpprod thanked me for fixing it. If someone is experienced enough to get an advance permission, they should know how to use it. You should certainly assume good faith and ASK if they made an error, rather than leaving a bitchy arrogant note. And FYI, it's the subject that is or isn't notable, not the article. John from Idegon (talk) 06:15, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Sdytmz4
You may want to take note of the following links: User talk:John from Idegon/unprotected, simple:Wikipedia_talk:Vandalism_in_progress, and. Thanks,  Vermont &#124; reply here  08:13, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Sports Wolves
The Sports Wolves has been recreated under the above title, if you have not seen it already. I thought you might wish to tag the latest version. Donner60 (talk) 04:53, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Kalamazoo?
What information appears to be incorrect?

Roberto221 (talk) 20:55, 19 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Discrepant, not incorrect. There is a page on the Diocese website called "shield" and it shows a different image.  Take it to the talk page and discuss.  There is also a copyright issue.  The image you used and uploaded as your own work appears on the Diocese website, which is marked as copyrighted.  The image you uploaded is not apparently "your own work".  Besides being a violation of policy, it is also a violation of law.  The logo, once a consensus has been reached as to which one is the correct one, could be uploaded to en.wikipedia, not Commons, as a "Fair-use" exception to copyright. John from Idegon (talk) 21:54, 19 April 2018 (UTC)


 * I looked at the Diocese web site for the page called "Shield", . That shield is the Bishops' Coat of Arms which includes the Diocese CoA(left side) and his personal CoA(right side).  Look at this page, please:

List of Catholic bishops in the United States

Roberto221 (talk) 23:48, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Brookfield Theatre for the Arts
Hello, I placed two at the top of the Brookfield Theatre for the Arts, indicating a need for more references, as well as a notice that the article may not meet notability. Please leave those there, so that I can have more time to improve the article to justify its notability. I have been busy with other articles lately and have not had the time to focus on this one, so please give me time to improve upon it rather than hastily delete it. Thanks.--AirportExpert (talk) 22:55, 19 April 2018 (UTC)AirportExpert

West Lafayette, Indiana AfD
And there you go 😜.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 02:55, 20 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Mmmmm...trout. Better than ham any day. Coach Crowley will never forgive me. John from Idegon (talk) 03:04, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of List of mayors of West Lafayette, Indiana for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of mayors of West Lafayette, Indiana is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/List of mayors of West Lafayette, Indiana until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Expand it how you need to.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 15:18, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Deleted Edits, and Serious Issues within Philadelphia, Mississippi
Hi John from Idegon, I just read a series of messages regarding corrections and edits I was in the process of making to Philadelphia, Mississippi.

Please, we must be miscommunicating: I already responded to your first two messages of concern, and provided to you in response the general and serious errors found in the Native American section of the entry, which I was editing.

After not receiving a response, or message, from you on again on April 19, I returned to editing and correcting, and provided extremely valid sources (U of Mississippi, Choctaw Tribe website, etc). I also corrected the opinions within the entry, such as what LaFlore was thinking before the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek, or what all Choctaws thought of Mississippi & federal laws, or opinionated and unsourced statements such as, "but the government did not give them all the land that they believed they deserved." Also, the Trail of Tears is not called Choctaw Trail of Tears, and I do wonder if the redirect was done purposefully by its author. A serious problem among many in Philadelphia, Mississippi.

An unreliable source was provided the majority of the section (5. Remini, Robert (1998) [1977]. ""Brothers, Listen ... You Must Submit"". Andrew Jackson. History Book Club. p. 272. ISBN 0-9650631-0-0) a source that seems to specialize in revisionist history focusing on Andrew Jackson, according to Amazon's list of his titles. The single source, an excerpt from a biography on Andrew Jackson, does not meet Wikipedia's standards for information integrity, especially since Andrew Jackson's presidential legacy includes policies that targeted Native Americans, such as the very Indian Removal Act.

The problem is similar to only allowing an aggressor to state his opinions regarding his aggressions, but silence the voices of those he targeted for aggression. Specific to this case, the Choctaw deserve to be heard regarding Jackson's removal of them from their ancestral homeland.

I must add, deleting the valid, sourced and guideline-following edits I had made to the section is not appropriate, given that a response was provided to your first message, that we're both working on Wikipedia, and that the comments and adopted positions of an editor are in conflict with Wikipedia's guidelines.

Further, to suggest the addition of factual information and the correction of inappropriate and unsourced opinions is disruptive is quite odd.

If this talk message hasn't clarified the problems, I request that you share this message, and the edits I made between your second and third message to me, with a co-worker or managing editor so they can also discover the issues with Philadelphia, Mississippi and explain why the valid edits, which following norms of scholarly research and Wikipedia guidelines, should be reinserted as edited.

May Wikipedia Remain Worthy.187.171.167.165 (talk) 01:22, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Since you seem to know all about how Wikipedia works, you should certainly know all about policies like WP:NPOV. You should certainly know how we determine the truth here. Hint...it isn't by writing tomes on individual editor's talk pages. Any time an editor removes sourced content and replaces it with differently sourced content of a different viewpoint, I will revert that change. That's not how NPOV works. Throwing around terms like bias and signing your messages the way you do makes you appear as a POV pushing SPA. Let me be perfectly frank. I don't give a flying fuck about your, or anyone else's viewpoint on the history of a community in Mississippi. I do care about presenting a neutral, dispassionate account of it. So get off your soapbox and go try to form a consensus on it. Not my monkies, not my circus. I will however enforce the health code on the circus if I must. You have no further need to post anything here so please don't. Goodbye. John from Idegon (talk) 03:45, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Stockbridge Junior / Senior High School
u|John from Idegon I am a high school student trying to update the information on our Stockbridge Junior / Senior High School Wikipedia page. I would like your help but I don't want to remove all the work I put into the classes offered part of the article. It takes lots of time. I want your help. You tell what we should put on there and I will get the information for you. If you have an email we can communicate that way. Eibln (talk) 12:34, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * A listing of all the courses the school offers is not encyclopedic. It's of no interest to the general reader. The wikipedia article is not the place to put info that is only of interest to the students at the school. See WP:WPSCH/AG for what should and should not go in high school articles. Meters (talk) 16:45, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Additionally, this article we are discussing is not a "page"; this is an encyclopedia, not social media. The article is not the property of the school, it is not controlled by the school and it is not for the school. The fact that the material you are adding is "relevant" to the school couldn't be more irrelevant to this article. We do not in any way shape or form care what the school has to say about itself. Except for the most mundane and incontrovertible facts, if you do not have a reliable, independent, secondary source for it, it does not belong. If you wish to dispute any content, you DO NOT replace it and insist your preferred version is correct. Instead, once material you have added is removed or rewritten, you go to the talk page and attempt to convince those opposing your version that you are correct, by making dispassionate argument based in reliable secondary sources, and guidelines and policies. All of this has been explained to you before. In case you didn't realize it, every word in blue is a link. You need to start reading those links, along with the links provided to you in the welcome template near the top of your talk page. We do not conduct business on Wikipedia via email, as all decisions, whether on content, behavior or policy are made via consensus. Transparency is required., I'll be reverting the article back to the revision where I removed the off topic bit about the conference. That's the last version that is anywhere close to being within guidelines. If hasn't already, I'll also be issuing you a level 3 warning for disruptive editing. You need to start listening. Meters and I are probably the two most active editors on US school articles in the entire project. I'd strongly suggest you start listening, and working with us. We both want this school article to be the best it can be. You're rapidly running out of chances to do it your way. Please benefit from our experience, rather than losing your editing priveleges. John from Idegon (talk) 21:08, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

u|John from Idegon Why am I getting reported? I asked you for help after you removed everything the second time. I am still asking for your help with the article. You need to stop being so rude about everything because I am asking for your HELP! I am just a 10th high school student. I want to make this article the best it could be. There is no reason to report me. If you would just understand I want your help that would be great.Eibln (talk) 11:56, 26 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Again, there's no need to post things in more than one place, particularly on the same page. And there's no need to ping someone from their own talk page.
 * John from Idegon isn't being rude, and he is attempting to help, as am I. Read the links that we have provided. Again, See WP:WPSCH/AG for what should and should not go in high school articles.
 * As for being reported, who reported you and where? As far as I can see no-one has reported you. You have been warned, not reported, and I was the last one to warn you. You have made no article edits since then so I doubt very much anyone has reported you. If you continue to make problematic edits in spite of the warnings then you will continue to be warned and eventually you will be reported. That's not the same thing. We've explained why your edits are not appropriate. We've pointed you to the guideline on how to write school articles. If you follow that you should not have any problems. Meters (talk) 17:34, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks . I am really at a loss for what you want for help.  The only advise I can offer is to read and study the information that you have been given (I know it is a lot.  No-one ever said things are simple.)  If you have any issues about the general links you have been provided regarding policies, Wikiways, etc, your best bet would probably be to direct them to the Teahouse, for which there is a link on your talk page.  If you have any questions as to the guidelines that are specific to schools, or any specific question about the article at hand, feel free to ask me (or Meters).  If you wish to dispute any of the changes made to the article since your last edit, start a discussion at the article's talk page.  Keep in mind that content is decided by consensus, and that as a student at this school, you have no greater "rights" than any other editor in a consensus discussion.  Again, and I cannot emphasize this enough, the article in question is an encyclopedia article about the school, not some sort of page for the school.  Informing the students or citizens of Stockbridge is not the purpose of the article.  It is instead a summary of the significant facts (significant to someone in Boise or Bhopal, not in Greater Lansing, Michigan) culled from what reliable sources have written about the school. I wish you the best, .  Please remember that Wikipedia is an entirely volunteer organization.  If you feel I've been short with you, I apologize.  My style of communication is direct.  Since I do this on my free time, and my primary goal is to create a better encyclopedia, sometimes I can sound cross with those whose interest is narrower than that.  I'm not.  Since everyone here is a volunteer, each individual volunteer is responsible for their own training.  There is assistance, which can be best accessed at the Teahouse.  There is a lot to learn to edit Wikipedia successfully, not just technical coding stuff, but a myriad of social and research related skills too.  If I can help, please ask.  I cannot read your mind and I am not an educator by trade, so please try to explain the issue you are having and I'll do my best to help. John from Idegon (talk) 21:19, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
 * And has draftified the article, which is how I wanted to do this in the first place. See Draft:Stockbridge Junior / Senior High School Thanks to all. John from Idegon (talk) 21:23, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Guide to geographical terms and divisions
Hi. I looked through Wikiproject Cities to find someone with experience in geography. Found your name. I've done enough disambiguating to be confused by geographical divisions around the world. I wondered if you could give me some direction, perhaps suggest an article, book, web site, or bit of Wikipedia documentation that can help me with such weighty matters as the definitive last word on the difference between a village, town, or city, a census-designated community versus an unincorporated place; how to distinguish one Irish parish from another without reigniting The Troubles, and how to grasp France's use of commas and hyphens in geography with no knowledge of French. And so on. Perhaps there is someone else I can ask? Thanks. I know you're busy. Vmavanti (talk) 18:04, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Mackinac College edits
A month ago you reverted my edits to the Mackinac College Wikipedia page. I agree with your comment that neither I nor the Wikipedia page is a “mouthpiece” for the school. Only the school’s documented publications and speeches speak for this college, which only existed 50 years ago. I’ve noticed that Wikipedia pages for colleges and universities often reference their own publications and webpages. I would very much like to discuss with you what course of action I should take with respect to your recommendation that I provide independent sources.

The principle resource cited in the existing Mackinac College page (Daniel Sack, “Moral Re-Armament: The Reinventions of an American Religious Movement, 2009.”) has sourced 2/3 of its “facts” from MR-A newsletters. In contrast, since 2013 I’ve made an effort to obtain and compare independent sources and to (slowly) write an objective history of Mackinac College for its Wikipedia page. A number of the publications I’ve cited are still held in academic libraries in the State of Michigan--some published by the College and others published elsewhere.

On 7 March 2018, as recommended by a Wikipedia editor, I uploaded to the Mackinac College Talk page my completed history of Mackinac College and my critique of the existing page. Then, using the suggestion of another editor, I used a few of the sentences from this draft to update the existing Mackinac College page. Considering your deletion of my changes on 19 March, I evidently do not yet know the correct way to refute the references in the current article or how to replace them using material from my completed history piecemeal. I recently created a User Page for myself that reveals how the project arrived at this point. Please see my User Page and the Mackinac College Talk page to look at my two posts there:
 * 5 Much of the text and references in this 4-yr-old stub are partially or completely wrong
 * 6 New Mackinac College article, with 58 references.

Again, I would very much like to discuss with you what course of action I should take with respect to your recommendation that I provide independent sources. I would also appreciate your advice regarding how to use my completed history of Mackinac College to improve the Wikipedia Mackinac College page. I hope to hear back from you in the near future.Karin D. E. Everett (talk) 18:50, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Content discussion does not belong here. I will not offer any advice or assistance to either paid or conflicted editors so posting here is a total waste of both yours and my time. I don't care to have my time wasted. You've been handed a conflict of interest advice template. Follow its advice. There is no reason for you to ever post on my talk page again. Goodbye. John from Idegon (talk) 19:45, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

The Signpost: 26 April 2018
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The Signpost
John, The latest issue of The Signpost, Wikipedia's monthly newspaper, was issued to subcsribers today. I am hoping feature an article on WP:WPSCH in the 'projcet's report' column in next month's (May) issue. I am writing it as an editorial and would like to include some interviews with regular members of the Schools Project.

To help  me with  this article (I will  credit  you  as coauthor), would you  be able get  some stats for us? Such as: Total  number of school  articles; number of high school articles; number of primary  school articles. number of schools articles in USA; number school  articles in  UK, number of school  articles in  the rest  of the world. Number of schools articles as redirects. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:32, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Stockbridge Junior / Senior High School
u|John from Idegon Why am I getting reported? I asked you for help after you removed everything the second time. I am still asking for your help with the article. You need to stop being so rude about everything because I am asking for your HELP! I am just a 10th high school student. I want to make this article the best it could be. There is no reason to report me. If you would just understand I want your help that would be great.Eibln (talk) 11:55, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
 * No need to post this more than once. Answered the post in the original thread. Meters (talk) 17:35, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

A. H. Parker High School
Hello, I'd like to upload the same 3 photos of the bronze sculpture but without my name in the caption and without credit to me in the body of the text, if that's OK. Also, in the description of the photo (that appears after you click on it) I briefly wrote what is objectively unique about the sculpture. This included the way the shoes meet the base at sharp angles, and so on. I'd like to leave that text in, because this what people respond to when they see it in person. The high school is a new and somewhat unusual facility and I made a sculpture with some unusual features. It also has a long history and traditions that are reflected in this traditional approach to art. I think the page would benefit from the photos. Is that acceptable? BrianROwens (talk) 15:35, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, Brian. First, you cannot make any edits concerning your work until you comply with WP:PAID. Even your questions here are in violation of our terms of use. Second, you've already uploaded your photos, so you do not need to do that again. Images in Wikipedia articles are merely links to another page either on en.wiki or Wikimedia Commons. (Just a note, I haven't checked the actual image pages for proper licensing, but I'm assuming that since you make your living as an artist, you should have at least a working knowledge of copyright.) Third, the inclusion of the images now requires consensus, as another editor (me) has objected to their inclusion. You will need to establish that consensus on the article's talk page, where you will also need to clearly identify yourself as the creator of the work depicted. John from Idegon (talk) 16:41, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Quite Unfair, Still Needing Your Help
After I have making some changes on my article Draft:Morgan K Orioha based on the issues you raised, you have decided not to help again. Here on Wikipedia, we all learn from one another. Nobody knows it all. We are teachable. Freshers like us are not to be treated unfair by experienced editors/administrators like you, else you find us discouraged and exit Wikipedia forever. This is also against Wikipedia policies. Part of your role as Admin is to mentor and offer help including advice to new editors where appropriate. This I seek from you. I believe you can be of help which is why I complied with issues like primary sources and promotional content.Nwachinazo (talk) 01:35, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not an administrator, but if you keep this up, your going to be making the aquaintence of some soon. This is a volunteer endeavor. I have no obligation to deal with anyone I choose not to. Just as in real life, I hold no truck with liars. And you sir are a liar. DO NOT POST HERE AGAIN. I've tagged your draft with a COI tag, and will leave a comment listing diffs where your deciet can be found. The next reviewer can ask me about it. I will not be discussing anything whatsoever with you again. Goodbye (note that is not talk to you later. Any further posting you make here will be reverted unread.) If you have a problem with that, take me to a noticeboard. John from Idegon (talk) 02:09, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Mr John, please I urge to stop reverting my edits as your intention is solely destructive and witch-hunting. I have decided not to write on your talk page. So try not to be rude in your choice of words and stop abusing your privilege as an admin. If you don't want to help, at least you can pass by and leave my work alone. Thanks. Next time, you will not find it friendly here.Nwachinazo (talk) 10:32, 30 April 2018 (UTC) Nwachinazo (talk) 10:32, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I will not be doing that. Multiple editors have told you that what you are doing is incorrect. You refuse to stop. This is my talk page. You posting here is not in any way going to benefit the encyclopedia. The draft you are writing is NOT yours to control. If you continue to post multiple copies of the draft (even if there are differences between the copies), they will continue to be removed. How is anyone supposed to know which copy is the one you want reviewed? I won't revert your addition of multiple copies of the draft any more; I'll simply reject it as malformed. WP:CIR. John from Idegon (talk) 11:04, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Can you take a look at this edit please
Hi John, hope things are well. Please can you take a look at this latest edit by an IP. IP user says "restored previously deleted item" - came across article after this edit had added an unsupported parameter. Pretty much the adding of unsourced content and don't think some/all of the information is even needed on here. I could undo but unsure if the IP will end up re-adding the information. Please let me know, thank you Steven (Editor) (talk) 18:30, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Please ignore this, already sorted by Steven (Editor) (talk) 18:29, 30 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Steven and . Weekends are bad for me....busy being a part time dad, the most important part of my life! John from Idegon (talk) 18:44, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Census
Do you have a link to the discussion on the project page or at least a link to the project's layout guide? Wiki doesn't have the best search feature for these sorts of things. The 2000 census data being there was just a result of the fact that most place articles were written in the mid- to late 2000s when it was the most recent census. For some reason when the 2010 data came out, it was just added to the section instead of being used to update it. This would be the first I've heard that the 2000 data should remain even if the 2010 data is present. See articles such as New York City or Boston, which all follow that line of thinking. Grk1011 (talk) 12:59, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * No, I don't. Sorry. I'm certain that there was one though. Certain, because it was the very first RfC I ever read when I started, in 2012. I'm not gonna get crazy about it, if you want to restore your removal it's fine by me. I'm not as active on settlement articles as I once was but someone should probably start a discussion to clarify what to do for sure prior to 2020. Thought this might be the opportunity. Perhaps at WT:USCITY? John from Idegon (talk) 14:13, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll ask there. Grk1011 (talk) 15:55, 30 April 2018 (UTC)