User talk:John from Idegon/Archive 96

City of Spokane vs generic "Spokane"
I’m sorry that you don’t understand how geography works. “Spokane”, separate from the City of Spokane, is a generic word also used to describe nearby unincorporated Spokane County. The area in question is part of 2 different cities and unincorporated county; primarily City of Spokane Valley which incorporated in 2003 well after the school district's formation, City of Millwood, as well as unincorporated Spokane County. None of those are City of Spokane or would constitute linking to the City of Spokane page, and a rational personal would realize that none of the addresses involved are in City of Spokane either. If you’re insisting to use the generic term of Spokane for a location not inside City of Spokane limits, the intelligent thing for you to have suggested would have been a recommendation to link to Spokane County’s page using the generic name Spokane. I don’t know if this is a power thing, personal insecurity thing, or maybe you’ve just had a bad day in your personal life. But in the future maybe lay off the snide messages and false sense of intellectual superiority if you don't have a great education on the topic. 509Freedom (talk) 04:41, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the long unsourced soliloquy. I didn't read it nor will I, or I doubt will anyone else. All new edits, such as you have made are subject to revision or removal. You agree to that every time you press the "publish changes" button. I'm not going to waste my time arguing your non arguments here. If you wish to dispute that the school district's address is Spokane, do so at the article talk page. Arguments need to be based in reliable sources. I cannot see any argument that would prevail over the school district's own website clearly stating it is, being backed up by an agency of the US government charged with collecting accurate data about schools, but, hey, knock your socks off. Please read WP:5P, the basic backbone of our policies, and WP:BRD, the procedure you should have been following as an initial step in dispute resolution. You've got to stop edit warring (WP:EW), and discuss, dispassionately, what the sources say. This isn't personal and it isn't a battle. I don't want to see you getting blocked. But that's the route you're going down. See you on the article's talk page. John from Idegon (talk) 06:07, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Responding without reading anything from a position of ignorance? Sounds about par for the course. Talking to people like an actual adult instead of trolling usually cultivates “dispassionate” discourse, and leaving whatever “online ego” you’ve accumulated over the years at the door. 509Freedom (talk) 17:39, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

A beer for you!

 * , you're timing is impeccable. 13 years ago this morning, I woke up in jail cell in an obscure place in Oregon, under arrest for drunk driving. Haven't drank since. Thanks for the thought; it's appreciated, but I'll take an ice tea. John from Idegon (talk) 03:16, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Haha Congrats!  Bobherry  Talk   Edits  03:21, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Deprodding of Ben Emanuel
I have removed the tag from Ben Emanuel, which you proposed for deletion. He passes WP:NGRIDIRON, having played in 11 NFL games. If you still think this article should be deleted, please do not add back to the page. Instead, feel free to list it at Articles for deletion. Thanks!  Eagles   24/7  (C)  16:30, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Must have missed that. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 23:07, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

100,000th edit!
Yes, well done on 100K edits - and a whopping 64.7% of them to mainspace! I really came here to tell you that I am going to retire from my stewardship of the schools project. 10 years is long enough and I haven't been able to keep such a close eye on it for several months. There's also the fact that with various recent Arbcom decisions (the jury is still out on my case) my enthusiasm for Wikipedia is somewhat daunted. I also have another damned hospital visit coming up. Someone needs to hold the fort so it would be great to see your name back up there as one of the coords. Take care, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:40, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll put it back real soon, and we'll continue to pray for your well-being. It would scare me to death to be ill living where you do. It scared me enough to be 400 miles away from help through my last illness. Email to follow. John from Idegon (talk) 18:00, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Mason City edit
Hello! Thanks for adding information to my talk page. I am a fairly new editor and I did add the citation in good faith. I'll read through the linked pages. Between the stacks (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:48, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Watch how you are signing your talk posts, . Three four and five tildes all produce different things. Four is what you want. John from Idegon (talk) 18:23, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Pine School + WP:Peacock
Hi John, Here's a school page (Pine School) that seems to be full of puffery and reads like their admissions dept wrote it. Could you please take a look at this? Thanks. GreaterPonce665 (talk) 17:23, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * This looks like a seg academy, but I can't find a solid citation. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 06:20, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * My thoughts too, . I'm going to find some sourced stuff like enrollment for it and add it, while subtracting a bunch of poof. Glad Bill posted here....I'd spaced on this. Sorry about that, . John from Idegon (talk) 06:26, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks & . GreaterPonce665 (talk) 18:10, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your recommendations!
Dear @John from Idegon, many thanks for your advices! I'll do my best to improve my article. Sincerely, MoonRiver777 — Preceding unsigned comment added by MoonRiver777 (talk • contribs) 07:08, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Changes
Hello User, With your current revision you made in the "Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin" site revised the original order. By doing that you have gotten rid of important information. Please revise from doing so. Thank you WRGoalie88 (talk) 13:47, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Why, ? I've made hundreds of changes to that article (it isn't a "site", whatever that means). Which one do you find troublesome and why? Please explain using DIFFS, reliable sources and policies and guidelines. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 18:24, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello User, what I mean is by changing to "site" back to one of the old revisions made it so the article outdated. WRGoalie88 (talk) 22:45, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . When you're WP:BOLD in improving and article but subsequently WP:REVERTed by another editor, it's generally good practice to follow WP:BRD and try and understand why you were reverted by engaging in discussion on the relevant article's talk page. Wikipedia is a collaborative editing project with people from all over the world editing it; so, disagreements over article content are pretty much unavoidable. When they happen, trying to resolve them through discussion is usually the best way to avoid edit warring or issues between editors. Moreover, when you leave edit summaries, please be careful with what you write. John's reverting of the article to a previous "clean version" was not vandalism as you claimed here. While you might have not meant anything personal by such an edit summary, you need to be careful when using words like "vandalism" on Wikipedia because they are defined a certain way and accusing another editor of such a thing can be seen as a personal attack if you're not careful.Finally, you might want to take a look at Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors for reference; Wikipedia doesn't place any age limitations on its editors, but there are things about it that all editors, particularly younger editors, should be careful about and at times it can be an unpleasant experience. Another thing you should look at is Wikipedia:User pages, in particular Wikipedia:User pages and Wikipedia:User pages. Your user page is only "yours" so to speak in name only, and isn't like Facebook or Twitter where you can post anything you want. It's OK to post a bit of personal information about yourself if you want, but please remember that Wikipedia is in the real world and people might be able to figure out who you really are if you post too much detail; moreover, any excessive detail that really has nothing to do with your activities on Wikipedia can be removed at anytime. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:34, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

FYI
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Doug Mehus T · C  23:09, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

National Collegiate Cyber Defense Competition
Hi, I have additional backup for the page that should pass the notability requirements. I just need time to assemble it and add to the page. Could you postpone deletion until I can assemble and update? 2/12/2020 Cyberstrike1979 (talk) 02:56, 13 February 2020 (UTC)Cyberstrike1979
 * , do you have some sort of relationship with the organization which sponsors this, the competition itself, or any of the participants? John from Idegon (talk) 17:54, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , No, I do not. I never participated or attended it either. I don't even work in the same field as this competition. I do have kids that went to martial arts competitions and I know how serious the kids, schools, and organizations are when they compete. They try very hard and put in a lot of effort. So I want to be sure credit is given if due. Considering how critical cyber defense is to protecting our present technology-driven way of life, I believe this would be notable as a long term advancement in a technological field. However, considering how busy I am, I need to find time to see if I can show that. I also wouldn't be related to any of the sources nor use blogs. I just need some time. Feel free to review any content to ensure its notable and, if not, no objections to deleting it post my changes.
 * Please note how I've changed the way you indented your message. Also note you need to sign your messages please by typing four tildes at the end. This isn't a directory. Not every subject gets an article. Please see WP:N and WP:GNG. If after reading those links you think this subject meets those standards, you are free to remove the PROD template. If you do, I'll review your changes and possibly refer it to the next step in the deletion process. John from Idegon (talk) 21:14, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

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Requesting/Suggesting Edits to a page
Hi John, thank you for your help and for sending Paid CIO template earlier. So, I have several recommendations or suggestions to edit on a city page (text and pictures) Where or to whom should I request edits to? Any guidance is appreciated.

Take care.CTX001 (talk) 17:45, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , please direct your how-to questions to the WP:TEAHOUSE. I'm a volunteer here, and I choose to not provide any assistance to those who are not. John from Idegon (talk) 19:20, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. CTX001 (talk) 22:06, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

cleanup tag
I just tagged St. Paul University Iloilo with. Isn't there a specific one for schools? MB 19:08, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I use that template, but I think there's a parameter in it to make it more specific. John from Idegon (talk) 19:17, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * No parameters except reason=. I thought I remembered some articles tagged with a school rewrite template, but maybe it was just a well written reason in this one. Thanks. MB 20:46, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Reverts on the edit
Hi, I had made that edit because I was still working on the draft. I am not ignoring the advice; however, I was still researching the stated fact to find a more reliable and independent source to back it up. I had not submitted it for review and might have reverted it myself. I want to do it right this time, as you can see the number of reviews are just cluttered on the page at the moment.

I am trying to follow the suggestions provided in the Teahouse discussion and the reviews. But, my concern comes from the fact that each time I've followed reviewer suggestions, another reviewer has given me something entirely different. So far, I've heard 'too many sources, remove PR, leave independent ones' (I did this, but to no use); 'add more independent sources' (I did that, but it was neither checked, nor acknowledged except in the Teahouse discussion based on which I made my last edit in the draft); and 'the subject might be notable, fix inline citations' (I did this, but the draft was still rejected).

I hope you can see why this is frustrating. I've spent considerable time in researching this article and I want it to be published. Like all of you other editors, I am volunteering my time and energy to contribute to Wikipedia. I want to do this by the rules of Wikipedia and follow the guidelines, but then I've come to realize that many editors here are not in agreement about the policies and guidelines. There are subjective differences between established editors. I am new here, so I might be wrong about this. But, there are several discussions and debates on Wikipedia to indicate that this is an ongoing issue and other editors feel this way, as well.

I really do hope you understand that I am trying to do the same thing that you are. There is a learning curve, and I am trying my best to learn what I can. Thank you for your reviews, suggestions, and help. FelixtheNomad (talk) 22:12, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I do understand. You need to be understand that everyone here (everyone) is a volunteer. There is no "management" in the traditional sense. We run "bottom up", not "top down". So no one can be directed to anything in any way. We have rules that govern interaction and content. And they are intentionally vague. If you want to succeed here, it's 100% up to you to garner the knowledge to do so. And it is hard to do that. It's expected that you understand some concepts that go beyond Wikipedia. Like the difference between primary, secondary and tertiary sources. It's on you to ask the questions you need to understand what you are doing. There is a lot to grasp, it's likely different than any group effort you have ever undertaken and it isn't intuitive. More like counterintuitive. No individual editor can change that for you. You've been given a bunch of resources to help you succeed. It's on you to do so. John from Idegon (talk) 18:48, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

BMK
I've had many bad interactions with this user; they definitely have had bad ownership tendencies and civility issues on the Irvington article and elsewhere. Let me know if you file a complaint somewhere. ɱ (talk) 05:35, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Please do, it's never very effective to gang up on somebody if there aren't enough vigilantes in the mob. Beyond My Ken (talk) 07:10, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Alumni
Just what we need is another tag to clutter and confuse. That was sarcasm. Trackinfo (talk) 22:26, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I started on it and burnt out. I think. I worked on a few different articles today. John from Idegon (talk) 22:28, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Saint Bernard's High School Article
Hello,

I received your message about the article St. Bernard's High School. I appreciate your feedback and advice. I am still confused, however, on how I should approach writing this article. I looked over the guideline that you linked, and I'm still not sure what makes a sufficient Wikipedia article about a school. Should I abandon the award section of the article because it may not be notable enough? And should I avoid listing the sports they offer? Please let me know. Thank you for your help.

--Chen1649 (talk) 01:12, 19 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, it looks like forgot to include a template that would notify you. Hopefully this does the trick!  一 Salt ♨️🚲🧂🧙‍♂️🐧🎓⚔️☠️ (talk) 08:15, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Not really. Still no clue what they are on about. John from Idegon (talk) 08:29, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, I am wondering if you could provide some suggestions as to making this article meet the criteria of Wikipedia. Should I avoid listing the sports they offer， delete the award section and adding more history about the school? What kind of information would serve as an encyclopedia? Please let me know. Any advice and suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much.

--Chen1649 (talk) 03:12, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * There are at least 10 St. Bernard's High Schools in the United States alone, . A little help finding what you are talking about would be helpful. If you want help with a particular article, provide the editor you are asking with a wikilink to the article you want help on. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 04:40, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I'm sorry about the confusion. Here is the link to the article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bernard%27s_High_School_(Eureka,_California) Please let me know what you think. Thanks so much--Chen1649 (talk) 02:22, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

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Not WP:OWNERSHIP, but WP:STEWARDSHIP, i.e. protecting an article one has contributed a great deal to (i.e. 72.6% of the content) from changes which do not improve it.

And -- just in case you may have forgotten -- you are not an Admin, and your own behavior over the last 11 months doesn't exactly qualify you to lecture (or threaten) others from a position of moral superiority.

If you wish to respond, please do so here, where I can ignore it more easily. Do not respond on my talk page, it will be deleted without reading.

Re Edits to Randy Jirtle Wikipedia page, I can confirm that I am NOT a paid advocate, simply a fellow scientist with knowledge/interest in epigenetics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kay Nolan (talk • contribs) 10:16, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks with cookies
Hi, thank you for the welcome to the WikiProject Editor Retention. It could not have come at a better time. I was confused and and frustrated by what was going on.

Thank you for this! Please have some cookies

Warm regards, FelixtheNomad (talk) 14:18, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

School advert
Shipley School looks like the sort of article that attracts your interest.Jacona (talk) 13:19, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Requested edits Edits to Saint Vincent Saint Mary note able alumni
Additions to Saint Vincent Saint Mary alumni    Nick Shook-writer columnist Reporter NFL.COM Around the NFL NFL Network                                                            Andre Knot- reporter MLB Sportstime Ohio Cleveland Indians. Daniel Horrigan Mayor of Akron Ohio Gshook61 (talk) 14:31, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

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Roanoke Catholic School Entry
ref: Roanoke Catholic School

I am not a paid editor. I'm the IT guy just trying to help them out. I'll let you fight with the dioceses about what should be on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Msebolt (talk • contribs) 18:56, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , there's a history section on the school's website if you're ambitious enough to take a crack at it. I'm not. I think the volunteer IT guy is likely done. John from Idegon (talk) 23:51, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll put it on my to do list- at the bottom. --ClemRutter (talk) 09:56, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Shadowing?
Over the past several months I've periodically noticed you editing articles very close behind me, if not on the same day. It's a little strange and it sometimes makes me feel like I'm being stalked. Just wondering. Thanks. PhillyHarold (talk) 22:13, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I do not recall encountering you prior to this message. All I can say is that we must have similar interests. I edit articles on US schools and settlements primarily, but also do NPP, AFC, Teahouse and recent changes patrol. Interesting. John from Idegon (talk) 22:30, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You and John from Idegon have edited six articles in common. At three of those articles, more than a month passed between your edits.  At Richland High School (Texas), John from Idegon made his first edit seven years before you joined Wikipedia, and at Thurgood Marshall High School (Texas) and  Haltom High School, John from Idegon made his first edit three years before you joined Wikipedia.  PhillyHarold, most editors see changes in their watchlist, and  edit those articles soon after.  This happens very frequently.  It's all good. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:42, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks Magnolia. Yea, Philly...I'm one of the coordinators of WP:WPSCH (on health leave at the moment), and as such, have an extremely large number of high schools on my watchlist. Nothing strange going on here at all. John from Idegon (talk) 22:48, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Totally makes sense now that I know you are one of the WP:WPSCH coordinators. Thanks PhillyHarold (talk) 23:00, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Oak Park River Forest High School reversion
Hi, with this reversion you said to "Provide reliable published secondary sources"; yet, the old revision didn't do that either, and the citation that the old version primarily used was a dead link. Given the specificity of the topic, would such primary sources be allowed? Would it be acceptable to find a newspaper article that mentions a performance at the school and only a small number of the musical groups listed? Maybe something like that in addition to the primary sources? Coolreader18 (talk) 05:29, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The entire section is way overblown and promotional. No, you'll need reliable secondary sources for all of it, and there will be nothing whatsoever added that isn't in the source. To write encyclopedic content, paraphrase reliable secondary sources and cite them. If there is no reliable secondary sources for the information, that in itself is enough to indicate that content doesn't belong. John from Idegon (talk) 10:55, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

New history section for Haltom High School
John, Please review the proposed history section on the Haltom High School talk page, and let me know if it is written and cited  well enough to publish. Thanks. PhillyHarold (talk) 15:32, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Public Schools of Calumet-Laurium-Keweenaw
Hello John. I saw that you had declined one of my submissions. I was thinking about finding more references and had the following question: Would a Wikipedia article work as a reliable source? Or is it not secondary? And what information requires the sources? Thanks,Moonlandingwasahoax (talk) 18:32, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is actually tertiary, but isn't considered reliable because it is user edited. What needs sources? Everything. An encyclopedia article is made up entirely by material paraphrased from reliable sources. John from Idegon (talk) 18:44, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

John Doe No. 24
This needs to be put back in mainspace. It was approved by me out of AfC. Spelling and grammar issues are not to decline or hold back an article from mainspace, much less is it a reason to re-draftify one. If you have issues with the spelling or grammar then add the appropriate maintenance tags. Sulfurboy (talk) 18:32, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Dude, you need to seriously chill. Literally, SLOW THE FUCK DOWN. You've not even giving people time to respond. You do not have a consensus to move this to mainspace so don't. NPP is a thing too. This article is on a notable subject. NPP declines articles for reasons other than notability all the time. Your claim is without merit. John from Idegon (talk) 18:39, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Abraham Krotoshinsky
I tracked down the burial location, and loaded an image (my image) of his tombstone. I don't know what guidelines were violated by adding these items (burial location, tombstone image) to the article. Please let me know if these materials don't belong, or if there is additional reference citations that are needed. Curtiscrowell (talk) 05:44, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Your insertion of an image of a gravestone as the lead image of a biography is inappropriate. Not to mention inserted improperly. Direct any further questions on how to edit to WP:TEAHOUSE. Any edit you make is subject to editing or removal at any time. Content is decided by consensus advised by rules. If you think your substandard edit improved the article, make your case at the article's talk page. A read of WP:RS would be in order too. John from Idegon (talk) 03:33, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Revision to Brighton high school.
I put in that Alex Whittingham was a bootable alumni from Brighton High School. He was. He graduated a couple of years behind me and he is a defensive coach for the Kansas Coty Chiefs. Why did you feel the need to take that down? Seems like he would be notable to me... Jessecnagle (talk) 02:32, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Read the links you've been provided. He's not notable, and we never make changes here based on what we know. Paraphrase your content from reliable secondary sources and cite them. John from Idegon (talk) 03:25, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

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