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The animal research war
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The animal research war
Hi. If your new plan is to insert this reference randomly in somewhat related articles, it's not going to work. If you have something to add to an article, great, but sticking in a reference to this specific work on the PETA and other pages will just be reverted unless there is some reason for the link to be included. I suggest you discuss and justify your edits on the talk pages of the articles prior to adding the link.Bob98133 (talk) 13:40, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey - thanks for quick reply. It isn't a problem with the book, it's just that you've plunked it down as a reference to text that was either already referenced or nobody felt needed a specific reference. You also don't cite any specific page # or quote from the book to suggest it should be a reference for where you put it. I'm not all that familiar with the Wiki rules, but if you click the help link you can navigate to all the rules about how and when to insert references, as well as external links. It also makes people wonder about your relationship with this work since you've tried to place a page about it and links on various pages, so you kind of lose the benefit of the doubt when the link pops up again. Hope this helps. Bob98133 (talk) 20:37, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, I suppose so. The reason pages weren't referenced is that the theme is pervasive. I see other books cited that way. I am a bit confused about the "no one else feeling that a reference was needed" view. Don't we add support for differing views as time goes on? Otherwise we don't make progress. I trust you agree. It seems consistent with the rules...no?

Book
Hi, please don't keep adding references to that book to various articles, as it's beginning to look like spamming, something we experience a lot. It's fine to use it for genuine edits, but not where the sole purpose is to get a mention of the book on a page. Many thanks, SlimVirgin  talk| edits 23:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

thanks, I get it. Spamming is not my intent. JG

Misuse of funds reference page number/chapter
Hi there, to settle an issue on the PETA page, could you please look through your copy of the Animal War book and find a page(s) or chapter(s) which specifically mention misuse of funds. Something along the lines of "PETAs use of funding for Xyz is wrong/bad/suspect/etc". I'm aware that this doesn't always seem to be needed, but for some reasons anything not written by PETA or a member of PETA on the PETA page needs a page number apparently. NathanLee (talk) 17:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

right, I understand, thanks. /JG (pages 13, 17)

I did this and it was still deleted. why is it not possible to get some balance of opinion on the PeTA site??